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Dragon Age II |OT| The Revenge of Shit Mountain
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natkingcoleslaw said:
Haha 400-200 hours ? you must be terrible.
you don't ? Thanks for the wall of text then.
Are you only reading my posts? I'm flattered. the guy who was "really enjoying it" ended up calling it an average game and echoed what everyone else in the world was saying about it.
Yeah we disagree, off you go then.
Dacon
Banned
I enjoyed the hell out of this game on PC. It plays pretty much identically to the first game except for the hordes of spawning enemies and the less versatile camera.
It does fall short of the first game in a few areas, but I really liked the cast and the largely improved character designs(except for the putty men darkspawn).
The game definitely has its fair share of problems, but I found it nowhere the terrible experience so many are reporting.
It does fall short of the first game in a few areas, but I really liked the cast and the largely improved character designs(except for the putty men darkspawn).
The game definitely has its fair share of problems, but I found it nowhere the terrible experience so many are reporting.
You have a lot more patience for bad design than most do then.Dacon said:
All the problems I had were design flaws and major issues with presentation and depth.
For a sequel it had a lot expected out of it, and it does nothing right that the original game did right.
It's like they did this shit on purpose.
Mister_Bubbles
Member
nateeasy said:
You have to have romanced her for her to come back, I believe.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Well, I finally finished it! I clocked in at 25 hours. I did all of the side content I could find except for a few quests in the final chapter.
I remain extremely disappointed in the game. There were some really entertaining side quests, and some interesting characters, but otherwise I mostly disliked the game. The main story was especially poor, as was the way in which it was presented.
Oh well!
I remain extremely disappointed in the game. There were some really entertaining side quests, and some interesting characters, but otherwise I mostly disliked the game. The main story was especially poor, as was the way in which it was presented.
Oh well!
Snuggler said:
Okay:
SPOILERS
http://pastebin.com/j9cHTZT6
SPOILERS
No clicky if no want spoilage. Sorry if I'm not using spoiler tags, I'm new to this website and sort of jumpy about the regulations.
natkingcoleslaw
Neo Member
Yurt said:
Why should I go. This is a DA2 thread and since you hate it so much maybe you should find yourself the DAO thread instead.
natkingcoleslaw said:
We are all free to voice our opinions and thoughts in the OTs.
I don't know why you took my last line so literally.
If you're planning on playing it eventually, I don't recommend you read the list posted above. It actually spoils a big plot point.
Sir Garbageman
Member
Crazetex said:
IIRC I'm not 100% sure its necessary but I think also you have might have to
make sure when you have the choice of assisting Aveline or Isabela when they approach you at your manor you volunteer to help Isabela and you also let her know you'll let her have the book as opposed to wanting it for yourself to give to the Aristok.
Nirolak said:
Really hope they go with an Awakenings style expansion as opposed to some of the smaller DLCs we saw for DA:O.
My main problem with this game so far is the lack of party choices. Ignoring Hawke, you basically have:
Archer Rogue - Sebastian (DLC), Varric (doesn't use Bow drops)
Melee Rogue - Isabella (
)
Attack mage - Merrill, Bethany (Only if melee class,
)
Healer -Anders (AND ONLY ANDERS.
)
Tank - Avaline, Fenris (Kinda. If you spec him right Lyrium Ghost does a lot to keep him alive.
)
2H Warrior - Fenris, Carver (Only if mage,
)
So depending on your choices, you can have an entire class of weapons unusable (if you dont play an archer and dont have the DLC, nobody ever can use bows!), and be without a healer.
The game really needs more options for healer and tank, at the very least.
Archer Rogue - Sebastian (DLC), Varric (doesn't use Bow drops)
Melee Rogue - Isabella (
Can and will leave your party if you aren't careful
Attack mage - Merrill, Bethany (Only if melee class,
don't have for acts 2+3
Healer -Anders (AND ONLY ANDERS.
Also he can leave at several points. or be forced to kill. So it's really easy to be without a majorly important party role
Tank - Avaline, Fenris (Kinda. If you spec him right Lyrium Ghost does a lot to keep him alive.
But you also might lose him too, but he's not quite as knife-edge as other characters like Anders and Isabella particularly
2H Warrior - Fenris, Carver (Only if mage,
doesn't ave for acts 2+3
So depending on your choices, you can have an entire class of weapons unusable (if you dont play an archer and dont have the DLC, nobody ever can use bows!), and be without a healer.
The game really needs more options for healer and tank, at the very least.
edgefusion
Member
webrunner said:
I agree completely, I started my second run through and thought I'd have someone else as my tank to mix it up a little. No dice. I don't see why I can't just give a sword and shield to Fenris or... well there aren't any other sword users (not counting Carver for obvious reasons). The fact that Anders is the only healer is perplexing too, what is arguably the most important role to a group and you're only given one option and he (End of act 3 spoiler)
turns out to be a complete dick.
My biggest companion disappointment was the lack of a Qunari. Like holy Jesus I hope they have this planned for DLC. I need a sword and shield Qunari in my party. Dem abs.
webrunner said:
You can use an item(makers sigh) to redistribute party skill points to turn ANY of the mages into a healer. Barring that, you also don't need to use the auto-skill up feature and can manually make Merrill et al. a healer mage once she arrives.
Also I am about to wrap up Act 3 and never used Anders. Health Potions are a fine enough substitute for a proper mage healer. The cooldown is long though, and you need to craft special potions to deal with reviving. But I spent most of the game on Normal just rolling with a DPS group just fine.
But I do understand the frustration though. Mostly when it comes to Aveline being the only NPC sword and board tank option. I mostly just approached my party makeup specifically for the conversation ambience. I almost never bothered with tactical priority, the game is mostly daft at that anyway.
nateeasy said:
She will reappear during the final moments of Act II if you have sufficiently done the pre-reqs.
Just beat the game finally. Without spoiling, the final moments are as absurd as I'm sure most everyone has argued to death over. Once Act III rolled around I pretty much bottomed-out in interest anyway, and felt like I was just pushing to the end to get it over with. Shame, I really enjoyed most of the early game, but the ideas and gameplay never panned out well.
BioWare noted that they were putting up Dragon Age 3 job postings today: http://twitter.com/#!/Al_McNally/status/71316422445371393
Lo and behold, this also went up today, and is the first network programming job at BioWare to ask for console experience, but not Unreal Engine 3 experience: https://jobs.ea.com/search/view.do?id=a0z50000000tRYv
Multiplayer is definitely looking more and more likely.
Lo and behold, this also went up today, and is the first network programming job at BioWare to ask for console experience, but not Unreal Engine 3 experience: https://jobs.ea.com/search/view.do?id=a0z50000000tRYv
Multiplayer is definitely looking more and more likely.
Brandon F said:
Merrill doesn't even have the Creation tree to allow her to heal, though.
Bethany can, but
isn't there most of the game
The only good dedicated healers are Mage Hawke and Anders.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
lol
i guess the writing positions dont have that requirement.
Affeinvasion
Member
Say what you will about the writing, but I really really enjoyed Varric as a character.
HadesGigas
Member
Wait, there are places in Kirkwall that aren't warehouses or caves?
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
You know how sometimes after completing a game you get wistful about it and think that it is better than it actually was? Yea, the exact opposite is happening with me and this game right now. I enjoyed it while playing and now after some time being removed from it, I'm just getting more and more annoyed upon reflection.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
So about the personality level of male Commander Shepard then.Snuggler said:
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Nirolak said:These seem to be from the DLC.
Hordes of the underdark was a great expans....ohhh wait.
Oh, hey, I guess Mike Laidlaw has opened his mouth again!
And it's.... surprising?
Look at that! Direct acknowledgment that DA2 had major issues!
But it wouldn't be Laidlaw if he didn't throw in a little "You guys totally don't understand, you're not the audience we're after anymore."
So, yep, restricting the choice of race for the main character and removing the ability to equip armor for your companions are "deeper RPG mechanics" and "more choice" than we had in Dragon Age: Origins.
So suck it up, DA2 is the future. Get used to it.
And it's.... surprising?
Mike Laidlaw said:
Look at that! Direct acknowledgment that DA2 had major issues!
But it wouldn't be Laidlaw if he didn't throw in a little "You guys totally don't understand, you're not the audience we're after anymore."
Mike Laidlaw said:
So, yep, restricting the choice of race for the main character and removing the ability to equip armor for your companions are "deeper RPG mechanics" and "more choice" than we had in Dragon Age: Origins.
So suck it up, DA2 is the future. Get used to it.
VisanidethDM
Banned
Patryn said:
Well, it's the future of Dragon Age, so we're not totally screwed. And as far as Dragon Age goes, it's good news since 2 is massively better than Origins.
DA2 had problems. Some they could have solved with more time:
- Reused maps
- No specializations for companions
- the lack of a dedicated healer other than Anders
- The lack of a dedicated tank other than Aveline
Some, required some much earlier fixes, mostly story ones
Anders, particularly
DA1 had problems as well, most of which were fixed by DA2. Awakening was a bugfest.
It's still a good game.. it's just jarring to play after DA1.
- Reused maps
- No specializations for companions
- the lack of a dedicated healer other than Anders
- The lack of a dedicated tank other than Aveline
Some, required some much earlier fixes, mostly story ones
Anders, particularly
only makes sense if you think the Justice thing is just a split personality. His actions literally only make sense from the perspective of him being insane. The fact that he blows up the Chantry, directly after finding out the chantry isnt a problem, is completely ridiculous. Hell, it was implied the Chantry was about to declare the Kirkwall templars a lost cause!
DA1 had problems as well, most of which were fixed by DA2. Awakening was a bugfest.
It's still a good game.. it's just jarring to play after DA1.
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Unconfirmed Member
VisanidethDM said:
I hate it when people state shit like this in absolutes. No, it's not massively better than origins. I don't see how you can equate a massive removal of features and dumbing down of everything else as an improvement. I agree that some of the talent tree stuff was a minor improvement over the first game, but it didn't matter much considering how the new combat system was bullshit.
Either way, when the majority opinion is that Dragon Age 2 is by far the worse game, you really should preface stuff like that with "in my opinion".
Confidence Man
Member
I probably won't bother even if the DLC is free (which it won't be). Those comments from Laidlaw are pretty telling though.
And is it just me or what but it seems like this game has fallen off the deep end and completely disappeared from consciousness. It barely had a presence on sales charts. The only time I even hear it mentioned is people hoping Mass Effect 3 is nothing like it. The Witcher 2 OT has already outpaced this topic and isn't slowing down.
And is it just me or what but it seems like this game has fallen off the deep end and completely disappeared from consciousness. It barely had a presence on sales charts. The only time I even hear it mentioned is people hoping Mass Effect 3 is nothing like it. The Witcher 2 OT has already outpaced this topic and isn't slowing down.
Mister_Bubbles
Member
Nirolak said:These seem to be from the DLC.
Like it.
Laidlaw's words are... well, not something I'll trust until I see the fruits of them in action, but encouraging nonetheless.
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Unconfirmed Member
Confidence Man said:
No, it's not just you. The public interest for this game, and general opinion of its quality, is much, much lower than Dragon Age: Origins. Most reasonable people realize that it's a pretty damn poor game with an absolutely ridiculous story. It's a shame, too, because the premise for the story really had the potential to take Bioware out of such juvenile territory. Dragon Age: Origins, with its generic epic fantasy tale, still felt far more mature as a story.
VisanidethDM
Banned
Zefah said:
Everything I state is "my opinion", so such preface is redundant. I don't hold the truth, you don't either, nor does "the majority".
Now I've expressed my opinion on DA:O in the past, and I wouldn't dwell on that, but its deficiencies in terms of story, cast, mechanics, intellectual honesty and generally originality are so big that in order to be worse than DA:O a game would need to be able to commit genocide.
It's my opinion, of course.