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Dragon Age Veilguard, Non Binary character

While there's nothing inherently wrong about exploring these choices and themes in a "Role Playing Game", based on the screenshot, it seems the writers don't know how to do that in a way that fits the context of the lore, and instead feels like it was dropped in from our world, which impacts immersion.



It is an important part of psychology, and as psychology is the study of the emergent properties of the chemical processes of the biological brain, it is also very much rooted in biology. How one chooses to manifest one's own identity is a very important part of a functioning society that values freedom, personal autonomy, and individual expression.
You've said it yourself. Being "non binary" (as I said, a completely meaningless term) is a lifestyle or behavioural choice. It is not rooted in biology.

You do not choose whether you are male or female (exception: sex chromosome disorders or androgen insensitivity syndrome). This is an immutable trait.

Transgenderism/non-binarism are modern day social contagions.
 
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Jigsaah

Gold Member
I'm all for inclusion...as long as it's not forced. If it seems unnecessary or doesn't bring anything to the game or the story I'd rather it not be included.

That being said, this would not make me avoid buying this game...the game itself does a much better job at this.

Given this is a single player game where players will likely create a character in their own likeness, if a "non-binary" person buys the game then their needs are taken care of.

The question is, does this come with all the other bells and whistles that DEI tends to bring to the medium? Are we now going to experience a story that caters to non-binary or other apparent genders? In an rpg, that's a big deal and OP's post could be just the tip of the iceberg in this game.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I'm all for inclusion...as long as it's not forced. If it seems unnecessary or doesn't bring anything to the game or the story I'd rather it not be included.

That being said, this would not make me avoid buying this game...the game itself does a much better job at this.
I find it hard to believe personal politics like this could even be part of any game unless it’s a hardcore game that is focused on it. But your typical video game doesn’t need it.

That would be like playing a WWII strategy game and your troops get morale -1 due to leadership delays.

And the leader is delaying orders on winning the war because he has to spend time at the hospital to take care of his kid transitioning.

It sounds ridiculous, but technically possible. It’s a war sim after all where anything can happen. But it’d be silly.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
You've said it yourself. Being "non binary" (as I said, a completely meaningless term) is a lifestyle or behavioural choice. It is not rooted in biology.

I also said myself in that statement how and why it's rooted in biology. Do you not agree that behavior is rooted in brain chemistry, which is the chemistry of the brain, a biological entity?
 
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Jigsaah

Gold Member
I find it hard to believe personal politics like this could even be part of any game unless it’s a hardcore game that is focused on it. But your typical video game doesn’t need it.

That would be like playing a WWII strategy game and your troops get morale -1 due to leadership delays.

And the leader is delaying orders on winning the war because he has to spend time at the hospital to take care of his kid transitioning.

It sounds ridiculous, but technically possible. It’s a war sim after all where anything can happen. But it’s be silly.
Sorry, I was editing my post...see above.
 

StueyDuck

Member
I also said myself that that statement how and why it's rooted in biology. Do you not agree that behavior is rooted in brain chemistry, which is the chemistry of the brain, a biological entity?
what is the chemical makeup of a binary person vs a non-binary person?

like if someone eats too much of something will they produce non binary cells?
 
What's the setting here? 2024 California?
What do you mean - this isn't a normal conversation for a fantasy game?

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StueyDuck

Member
No idea.


Probably not, and that's not a relevant hypothetical since that's not a recognized attribute of the cells themselves.
well if it's hypothetical... isn't that nothing more than a theory and not science?

I thought you had some actual meat and potatoes to go along with it.
 

Mister Wolf

Gold Member
You've said it yourself. Being "non binary" (as I said, a completely meaningless term) is a lifestyle or behavioural choice. It is not rooted in biology.

You do not choose whether you are male or female (exception: sex chromosome disorders or androgen insensitivity syndrome). This is an immutable trait.

Transgenderism/non-binarism are modern day social contagions.

A fusion of delusion and entitlement. "Although I am a man, refer to me and treat me as a woman" and vice versa. Or even better. "I have made the decision that I am neither man or woman and YOU better go along with it".
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I agree it's annoying and silly but living with a trans woman, I softened up a little tiny bit to the point where it isn't affecting me as much anymore in these video games.

Nonetheless, I can see why people are annoyed by it and rightfully so.
 
That we shouldn't gatekeep who is and is not "allowed" to be in a video game.

If someone said "straight characters don't belong in video games" then I'd disagree with that too.

What would you have liked Bioware to do differently, to include non-binary and transgender characters/options in a better way?
Developers can put whatever they want in their games, just don't expect everyone to like it. The fact that there are people who don't see themselves as either male or female, does not mean that therefore these characters should be in a game just because. It's common in Pakistan to marry your 12 year old first cousin, doesn't mean I want to see it in a game just because these people exist.
 
I also said myself in that statement how and why it's rooted in biology. Do you not agree that behavior is rooted in brain chemistry, which is the chemistry of the brain, a biological entity?
I am not sure what point you are trying to make it, nor how it invalidates the notion that being non-binary is a choice.

Begging people to use the 'they' pronoun to address you does not have any biological basis, nor does choosing to wear female clothing.
 
imagine being an adult upset by this.
libs 24/7 for 12+ years pedal to the metal: TRANS!! PRONOUNS!! BLM!!! RACISM!!! NAZI!! FASCISTS!!! DISINFORMATION!!!

conservatives: says nothing. deals with it.

libs: poke the bear. poke the bear. poke the bear.

conservatives for 1 minute out of the 12 years: god dammit, why are they putting this shit in videogames...

libs: WHY ARE YOU SO TRIGGERED!?!? SNOWFLAKE!! LISTEN TO THIS BIGOT OVER HERE!!
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
What do you mean - this isn't a normal conversation for a fantasy game?

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"You know we haveth magic that can transform thyself into to the opposite sex, thou canest transformeth at will!"

"Oh no, don't you misgender me. My pronouns are THEY/THEM, not THY/THOU!!!"

A. do you support Taash and dismiss the bigoted party member [this is a PERMANENT choice]
B. do you support Taash and kill the bigoted party member [this is a PERMANENT choice]
C. do you support Taash and kill then bigoted party member, THEN revive them with a Raise Dead spell, then dismiss them from the party [this is a PERMANENT choice]

Dev: See, we give you soooo many choices to develop your character!
 
who is anti-women, blacks and gays and non-binary on here?

What are you insinuating about people who are critiquing the video game?

what is the crap that is so tiresome? people voicing their opinions?
I'm not insinuating anything about anyone here other than pointing out a very, very long line of discrimination that's going on until people cool off and realize how shitty it is to hold down that group. Well, most eventually get to that point. Different group, same ol' song and dance. Of course it's going to get tiresome.
 

StueyDuck

Member
I'm not insinuating anything about anyone here other than pointing out a very, very long line of discrimination that's going on until people cool off and realize how shitty it is to hold down that group. Well, most eventually get to that point. Different group, same ol' song and dance. Of course it's going to get tiresome.
so who is doing the discrimination? who is holding down these groups? there is still an insinuation...

Instead of people just having an opinion you don't agree with, which is what i see happening
 
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