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[MiguelItUp]

I really miss when all we cared about was fun and good/great video games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What about fake tits, fake ass, nose surgery, silicone glutes, testosterone shots and steroids? All good there?

Nope, gross. Dysmorphia and self-esteem issues as well.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

While there's nothing inherently wrong about exploring these choices and themes in a "Role Playing Game", based on the screenshot, it seems the writers don't know how to do that in a way that fits the context of the lore, and instead feels like it was dropped in from our world, which impacts immersion.



It is an important part of psychology, and as psychology is the study of the emergent properties of the chemical processes of the biological brain, it is also very much rooted in biology. How one chooses to manifest one's own identity is a very important part of a functioning society that values freedom, personal autonomy, and individual expression.

You've said it yourself. Being "non binary" (as I said, a completely meaningless term) is a lifestyle or behavioural choice. It is not rooted in biology.

You do not choose whether you are male or female (exception: sex chromosome disorders or androgen insensitivity syndrome). This is an immutable trait.

Transgenderism/non-binarism are modern day social contagions.

 

[Jigsaah]

I'm all for inclusion...as long as it's not forced. If it seems unnecessary or doesn't bring anything to the game or the story I'd rather it not be included.

That being said, this would not make me avoid buying this game...the game itself does a much better job at this.

Given this is a single player game where players will likely create a character in their own likeness, if a "non-binary" person buys the game then their needs are taken care of.

The question is, does this come with all the other bells and whistles that DEI tends to bring to the medium? Are we now going to experience a story that caters to non-binary or other apparent genders? In an rpg, that's a big deal and OP's post could be just the tip of the iceberg in this game.

 

[Fabieter]

who is anti-women, blacks and gays and non-binary on here?

What are you insinuating about people who are critiquing the video game?

what is the crap that is so tiresome? people voicing their opinions?

Any criticism is toxic or sometimes even racist. It's redcioulous.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm all for inclusion...as long as it's not forced. If it seems unnecessary or doesn't bring anything to the game or the story I'd rather it not be included.

That being said, this would not make me avoid buying this game...the game itself does a much better job at this.

I find it hard to believe personal politics like this could even be part of any game unless it’s a hardcore game that is focused on it. But your typical video game doesn’t need it.

That would be like playing a WWII strategy game and your troops get morale -1 due to leadership delays.

And the leader is delaying orders on winning the war because he has to spend time at the hospital to take care of his kid transitioning.

It sounds ridiculous, but technically possible. It’s a war sim after all where anything can happen. But it’d be silly.

 

[Rentahamster]

You've said it yourself. Being "non binary" (as I said, a completely meaningless term) is a lifestyle or behavioural choice. It is not rooted in biology.

I also said myself in that statement how and why it's rooted in biology. Do you not agree that behavior is rooted in brain chemistry, which is the chemistry of the brain, a biological entity?

 

[Jigsaah]

I find it hard to believe personal politics like this could even be part of any game unless it’s a hardcore game that is focused on it. But your typical video game doesn’t need it.

That would be like playing a WWII strategy game and your troops get morale -1 due to leadership delays.

And the leader is delaying orders on winning the war because he has to spend time at the hospital to take care of his kid transitioning.

It sounds ridiculous, but technically possible. It’s a war sim after all where anything can happen. But it’s be silly.

Sorry, I was editing my post...see above.

 

[M1chl]

Indistinguishable from 2014 SJW gaf, its just that now its the right who is doing it. Same tactics, same braindead arguments and so on.

Game looks like shit, but that's really besides the point.

 

[StueyDuck]

I also said myself that that statement how and why it's rooted in biology. Do you not agree that behavior is rooted in brain chemistry, which is the chemistry of the brain, a biological entity?

what is the chemical makeup of a binary person vs a non-binary person?

like if someone eats too much of something will they produce non binary cells?

 

[clintar]

What's the setting here? 2024 California?

 

[Rentahamster]

what is the chemical makeup of a binary person vs a non-binary person?

No idea.

like if someone eats too much of something will they produce non binary cells?

Probably not, and that's not a relevant hypothetical since that's not a recognized attribute of the cells themselves.

 

[captainnapalm]

What's the setting here? 2024 California?

What do you mean - this isn't a normal conversation for a fantasy game?

 

[StueyDuck]

No idea.


Probably not, and that's not a relevant hypothetical since that's not a recognized attribute of the cells themselves.

well if it's hypothetical... isn't that nothing more than a theory and not science?

I thought you had some actual meat and potatoes to go along with it.

 

[Mister Wolf]

You've said it yourself. Being "non binary" (as I said, a completely meaningless term) is a lifestyle or behavioural choice. It is not rooted in biology.

You do not choose whether you are male or female (exception: sex chromosome disorders or androgen insensitivity syndrome). This is an immutable trait.

Transgenderism/non-binarism are modern day social contagions.

A fusion of delusion and entitlement. "Although I am a man, refer to me and treat me as a woman" and vice versa. Or even better. "I have made the decision that I am neither man or woman and YOU better go along with it".

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I agree it's annoying and silly but living with a trans woman, I softened up a little tiny bit to the point where it isn't affecting me as much anymore in these video games.

Nonetheless, I can see why people are annoyed by it and rightfully so.

 

[Agent_Nobody]

Here’s hoping they go even further with it in the next Mass Effect game, if anything just to see the delicious meltdowns on here.

 

[Madserb2023]

That we shouldn't gatekeep who is and is not "allowed" to be in a video game.

If someone said "straight characters don't belong in video games" then I'd disagree with that too.

What would you have liked Bioware to do differently, to include non-binary and transgender characters/options in a better way?

Developers can put whatever they want in their games, just don't expect everyone to like it. The fact that there are people who don't see themselves as either male or female, does not mean that therefore these characters should be in a game just because. It's common in Pakistan to marry your 12 year old first cousin, doesn't mean I want to see it in a game just because these people exist.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I also said myself in that statement how and why it's rooted in biology. Do you not agree that behavior is rooted in brain chemistry, which is the chemistry of the brain, a biological entity?

I am not sure what point you are trying to make it, nor how it invalidates the notion that being non-binary is a choice.

Begging people to use the 'they' pronoun to address you does not have any biological basis, nor does choosing to wear female clothing.

 

[Teh Chosen Juan]

imagine being an adult upset by this.

libs 24/7 for 12+ years pedal to the metal: TRANS!! PRONOUNS!! BLM!!! RACISM!!! NAZI!! FASCISTS!!! DISINFORMATION!!!

conservatives: says nothing. deals with it.

libs: poke the bear. poke the bear. poke the bear.

conservatives for 1 minute out of the 12 years: god dammit, why are they putting this shit in videogames...

libs: WHY ARE YOU SO TRIGGERED!?!? SNOWFLAKE!! LISTEN TO THIS BIGOT OVER HERE!!

 

[Kacho]

What do you mean - this isn't a normal conversation for a fantasy game?

I decided to have this very personal conversation with my mother in front of our guest at dinner

 

[evanft]

Caring about this is more of a mental illness than actually being non-binary.

 

[Xtib81]

They need to realise that pushing so hard that DEI bullshit, in every fucking medium makes most people more intolerant than they were before.

 

[jason10mm]

What do you mean - this isn't a normal conversation for a fantasy game?

"You know we haveth magic that can transform thyself into to the opposite sex, thou canest transformeth at will!"

"Oh no, don't you misgender me. My pronouns are THEY/THEM, not THY/THOU!!!"

A. do you support Taash and dismiss the bigoted party member [this is a PERMANENT choice]
B. do you support Taash and kill the bigoted party member [this is a PERMANENT choice]
C. do you support Taash and kill then bigoted party member, THEN revive them with a Raise Dead spell, then dismiss them from the party [this is a PERMANENT choice]

Dev: See, we give you soooo many choices to develop your character!

 

[neocycle]

GOTY

That's all you need to know about this guy.

 

[Portugeezer]

 

[neocycle]

They need to realise that pushing so hard that DEI bullshit, in every fucking medium makes most people more intolerant than they were before.

Division is the plan of all DEI companies. In order to grow they need to increase the problem.

 

[jason10mm]

That's all you need to know about this guy.

It bothers me that he can't be bothered to take a profile pic with him centered, like he ONLY has pics where he is next to people that he has to crop out of the frame

 

[Nigel]

I'm glad this flopped lmao.

 

[Rentahamster]

well if it's hypothetical... isn't that nothing more than a theory and not science?

I was referring to what you said as hypothetical, not what I said.

I thought you had some actual meat and potatoes to go along with it.

I did, actually.

 

[Rentahamster]

I am not sure what point you are trying to make it, nor how it invalidates the notion that being non-binary is a choice.

The point that I am trying to make is the one that I stated originally, that the concept of "non-binary" is rooted in psychology, which is rooted in biology.

 

[Gideon]

Can't we get a separate tab for woke and DEI bullshit discussion, they're flooding the gaming discussions.

 

[StueyDuck]

I was referring to what you said as hypothetical, not what I said.



I did, actually.

well what is a non-binary chemical makeup? What are the markers?

Can doctors test for non-binary?

I would like to see the science behind a non-binary person.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Having non-binary characters is fine retards, especially in a fantasy RPGs. Removing that aspect doesn't make Bioware a good studio again. They're still going to be shit.

 

[RagnarokIV]

Written like fan fiction. Shocking dialogue.

 

[RCX]

Imagine Bioware thinking this was the magic required to make this game succeed.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Imagine being an adult that supports it.

Imagine all the people

Imagine dragons!

 

[clarky]

Having non-binary characters is fine retards, especially in a fantasy RPGs. Removing that aspect doesn't make Bioware a good studio again. They're still going to be shit.

Hopefully this game has a gender reassigned Minotaur as a companion. Then its instantly a 10/10.

 

[Banjo64]

imagine being an adult upset by this.

Brain rot on everyone that’s liked this

 

[BacklashWave534]

imagine being an adult upset by this.

I believe "sick of it" would be a better term.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Brain rot on everyone that’s liked this

Your cum tastes like a snowflake

 

[Banjo64]

Your cum tastes like a snowflake

I preferred your comment when it just said ‘your cum’

 

[lughnasadh123]

who is anti-women, blacks and gays and non-binary on here?

What are you insinuating about people who are critiquing the video game?

what is the crap that is so tiresome? people voicing their opinions?

I'm not insinuating anything about anyone here other than pointing out a very, very long line of discrimination that's going on until people cool off and realize how shitty it is to hold down that group. Well, most eventually get to that point. Different group, same ol' song and dance. Of course it's going to get tiresome.

 

[clarky]

Imagine Bioware thinking this was the magic required to make this game succeed.

If the game was awesome and well written and stuff like made sense in its own universe then im onboard, whatever. But from what ive seen so far its just crammed in there and rammed down your throat in a very poor manner.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I preferred your comment when it just said ‘your cum’

I got so excited I hit enter too soon

 

[StueyDuck]

I'm not insinuating anything about anyone here other than pointing out a very, very long line of discrimination that's going on until people cool off and realize how shitty it is to hold down that group. Well, most eventually get to that point. Different group, same ol' song and dance. Of course it's going to get tiresome.

so who is doing the discrimination? who is holding down these groups? there is still an insinuation...

Instead of people just having an opinion you don't agree with, which is what i see happening

 

[Fabieter]

well what is a non-binary chemical makeup? What are the markers?

Can doctors test for non-binary?

I would like to see the science behind a non-binary person.

Its like the science in God. You have to believe!

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

I have my own opinions of the current LGBTQ+ movement as a whole, with that said this is pandering to the point of being insulting even to those people.

 

[MMaRsu]

Can't we get a separate tab for woke and DEI bullshit discussion, they're flooding the gaming discussions.

I dont understand are you trying to be funny or witty or..

 

[Mister Wolf]

I would like to see the science behind a non-binary person.

It's "soft science" bullshit. Pay some quack enough money and they will say anything. Get up on stage and show their ass to the camera.