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Dragon Age Veilguard, Non Binary character
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HogIsland
Member
there's no support or not support. there are people out there. do i go out of my way to make them feel uncomfortable?
Fabieter
Member
It's an analogy for the offensive writing in video games combined with your example if iam hating queer people.
Yes I think shit is offensive and deserves to fail.
Wolves hunt in packs
Gold Member
There are things i am not aware, thank you for the reply.
Fabieter
Member
The writing makes me feel uncomfortable. Does this matter to you?
HogIsland
Member
Fabieter
Member
stare into the spiral you are now gay
Again not the point. Everyone prefers a specific kinda entrainment if mine is not to have politic shit in my games. What's the problem. This game will disappoint like the rest of the dei shit lately and iam here for it.
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
stare into the spiral you are now gay
You can attempt to gaslight all you want. Devs that make this pandering content and the games themselves all deserve to fail. Nobody wants this, and the recent big failures show that. This will be yet another one.
poodaddy
Member
Nope, just like I don't.
But I also would never support such a hamfisted and classlessly delivered "message" in anything, delivered with the subtlety of a hammer to a glass table. It's childish, it's insulting to the intelligence of even a small child, and, the greatest offender here, it's boring and does not serve to enhance the gameplay or story in absolutely any capacity whatsoever.
Buy what you want, but this dialogue and the extremely transparent agenda pushing of these devs are both idiotic and exhausting in equal measure.
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StueyDuck
Member
But they go out of their way to make others feel uncomfortable...
How do you get to decide who is allowed to feel that way and who isn't?
MetalFreak
Member
nkarafo
Member
I don't give a shit about this game.
I just laugh at the state of modern gaming. Imagine those shitty modern politics in a fantasy game.
BigBeauford
Gold Member
This is what I mean when I talk about non-binary people portrayed in media lacking self-deprecating humor that has helped assimilate all kinds of folks into our culture.
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Woopah
Member
Having transgender and non-binary characters not being one-dimensional would be a good thing. Not sure if this is the case in Vanguard.
MALpractice311
Member
There's so many reasons to hate this game. The writing, the art style, and the gameplay are why I'm skipping it. A non-binary character is hardly a reason to skip a game.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
I don't get it. Since the first dragon age was really LGBT friendly to the point to give penalty if you didn't engaged in it. It's the natural progression of everything they always did. When this suddenly became controversial?
Davevil
Late October Surprise
Fabieter
Member
The into your face dialogue tells you all your need to know.
Fabieter
Member
The writing was never this offensive.
Ridicululzz
Member
I’m sure we all saw this coming. The director of the game is transgender, so it’s not really surprising that stuff like this is in the game.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
How big are the salaries at Bioware? . . . I can out trans and out gay anyone out there for the right amount of money.
Hot5pur
Member
So the trans community has been historically oppressed and often its members would be violently assaulted, discriminated against, and many ultimately committed/commit suicide because they can't feel accepted by society.
The way to combat this, people are trying to raise awareness and have people be more accepting, and not resort to hatred either of things they don't understand or their religions being overly close minded and restrictive (which is a redundant characterization of religion, but still).
So trans people and their allies have started speaking out, and putting messages in movies and games. Unfortunately, sometimes people are intentionally virtue signalling to pad their ego, or things are being interpreted as virtue signalling by people who are tired of seeing this stuff pop up everywhere. This is the unfortunate side effects of change - it's uncomfortable and the pendulum will swing violently until things have settled. Remember when being gay was controversial in the US? (Some places are still ass backwards but we have come a long way to the point it's not a big deal anymore and even the religious folks don't get too flustered). Or when women were not recognized as humans that also should be able to vote?
Personally I get the plight of the marginalized minority community, but unfortunately it comes with a price. Stuff like this in dragon age will stand out as as strange and maybe unnecessary. But if it happens to make a trans person happy and feel like their life is worth living because they don't think people see them as some sort of anomaly or biological mishap, I am all for it.
The way to combat this, people are trying to raise awareness and have people be more accepting, and not resort to hatred either of things they don't understand or their religions being overly close minded and restrictive (which is a redundant characterization of religion, but still).
So trans people and their allies have started speaking out, and putting messages in movies and games. Unfortunately, sometimes people are intentionally virtue signalling to pad their ego, or things are being interpreted as virtue signalling by people who are tired of seeing this stuff pop up everywhere. This is the unfortunate side effects of change - it's uncomfortable and the pendulum will swing violently until things have settled. Remember when being gay was controversial in the US? (Some places are still ass backwards but we have come a long way to the point it's not a big deal anymore and even the religious folks don't get too flustered). Or when women were not recognized as humans that also should be able to vote?
Personally I get the plight of the marginalized minority community, but unfortunately it comes with a price. Stuff like this in dragon age will stand out as as strange and maybe unnecessary. But if it happens to make a trans person happy and feel like their life is worth living because they don't think people see them as some sort of anomaly or biological mishap, I am all for it.
BigBeauford
Gold Member
Does Taash even have a personality, or are they simply meant to be a transgender ghosts of Christmas past, with their only purpose is to chide you for misgendering. This kind of person would be insufferable in real life, why would I want to pay $70 to have this "privilege"?
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
'Non-binary' is a useless and meaningless term. It has no basis in biology. You are either male or female. The 'arguments' for being 'non-binary' are more akin to lifestyle/behavioural choices. It still does not change who you are.
HogIsland
Member
play some other game that has the politics you like in it
Shadowstar39
Member
More of the "why do you care" crowd...
In other words:
Step 1: It's not really happening
Step 2: Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal
Step 3: It's a good thing, actually
Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem
Where are we at in the gaslighting train?
Sorry people are allow to have an opinion, and some don't like it in their games that are fantasy based on existing lore and world that wasn't like this previously.
The only reason this stuff got put in the game is because of the head director. Who made it about themself and a "new audience" instead of focusing on previous dragon age lore and fans.
People wouldn't care if new games were made that had this stuff (and that their existing games series and some other new games don't have this. Variety.) The problem is this replaces the existing, not creating alongside. When you replace what the existing likes there is always going to be blowback.
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Davevil
Late October Surprise
Woopah
Member
It is better when the dialogue is done naturally. The non-binary people I don't actually talk about being non-binary all the time.
Fabieter
Member
Well they can do whatever they want but if there way is to minimize other people entertainment it's legitimate to not buy this and let it fail miserably. Why do I have to feel bad for not liking this shitty writing? If the only way for them to feel better is to make other people feel worse than wtf.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
Right alongside zodiac signs.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
GOTY
SHAKEZ
Neo Member
It's funny how the "agenda" wasn't a thing a few years ago, now it's weird to care about it when it suddenly exists lol
Fabieter
Member
I do play mostly Asian made games. Thankfully those devs are still normal. More and more people have enough of DEI. It's why western gaming and Hollywood took a nosedive.
nkarafo
Member
This is what I mean when I talk about non-binary people portrayed in media lacking self-deprecating humor that has helped assimilate all kinds of folks into our culture.
Attention seeking narcissists are the worst kind of people.
PeteBull
Member
nkarafo
Member
That doesn't mean they have to lecture me all the time.
Fabieter
Member
It's a big part of wrpg to have these optional dialogues tho.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
While there's nothing inherently wrong about exploring these choices and themes in a "Role Playing Game", based on the screenshot, it seems the writers don't know how to do that in a way that fits the context of the lore, and instead feels like it was dropped in from our world, which impacts immersion.
It is an important part of psychology, and as psychology is the study of the emergent properties of the chemical processes of the biological brain, it is also very much rooted in biology. How one chooses to manifest one's own identity is a very important part of a functioning society that values freedom, personal autonomy, and individual expression.
It is an important part of psychology, and as psychology is the study of the emergent properties of the chemical processes of the biological brain, it is also very much rooted in biology. How one chooses to manifest one's own identity is a very important part of a functioning society that values freedom, personal autonomy, and individual expression.
Davevil
Late October Surprise
kevboard
Member
StueyDuck
Member
What exactly is the politics in dragon age veilguard then?
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I know, right? All he did was shave, wash his hair, and maybe lost some weight. Looks great!
So is this demon character thing specifically NB, or is that a characteristic of its species (i.e. they fluctuate back and forth between sexes, like a starfish or something)? I think there is room to explore a character that, perhaps unwillingly, has to transition genders and then starts thinking and feeling in an entirely different way as the hormone mix radically changes.
But to make it an unavoidable "lecture" in the middle of the game...no thanks!
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Is it disgusting because there’s a non-binary character? Seriously, what is this bigoted shit?
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