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Dragon Age Veilguard, Non Binary character

HogIsland

Member
It's an analogy for the offensive writing in video games combined with your example if iam hating queer people.

Yes I think shit is offensive and deserves to fail.
Art Design GIF by hoppip

stare into the spiral you are now gay
 

poodaddy

Member
there's no support or not support. there are people out there. do i go out of my way to make them feel uncomfortable?
Nope, just like I don't.

But I also would never support such a hamfisted and classlessly delivered "message" in anything, delivered with the subtlety of a hammer to a glass table. It's childish, it's insulting to the intelligence of even a small child, and, the greatest offender here, it's boring and does not serve to enhance the gameplay or story in absolutely any capacity whatsoever.

Buy what you want, but this dialogue and the extremely transparent agenda pushing of these devs are both idiotic and exhausting in equal measure.
 
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BigBeauford

Gold Member
That we shouldn't gatekeep who is and is not "allowed" to be in a video game.

If someone said "straight characters don't belong in video games" then I'd disagree with that too.

What would you have liked Bioware to do differently, to include non-binary and transgender characters/options in a better way?
This is what I mean when I talk about non-binary people portrayed in media lacking self-deprecating humor that has helped assimilate all kinds of folks into our culture.
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Woopah

Member
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Real talk. I see little point in these scenes as they do nothing to improve the game and create very bland and uninteresting characters where being Transgender or whatever is the entirety of their character and comes across as shallow.

Not a good look for reviews but then again they made sure they were all brimming with positivity so that says much about the product.
Having transgender and non-binary characters not being one-dimensional would be a good thing. Not sure if this is the case in Vanguard.
 

justiceiro

Marlboro: Other M
I don't get it. Since the first dragon age was really LGBT friendly to the point to give penalty if you didn't engaged in it. It's the natural progression of everything they always did. When this suddenly became controversial?
 

The Saint

Member
Meh. It's stupid, but on its own, I do not think one sentence alone is going to be enough to ruin the entire game. I'll just chalk it up to a racial thing because Kunari are not human and move on with my life. Now if the story and gameplay is bad? Then I will be disappointed.
 

Hot5pur

Member
So the trans community has been historically oppressed and often its members would be violently assaulted, discriminated against, and many ultimately committed/commit suicide because they can't feel accepted by society.

The way to combat this, people are trying to raise awareness and have people be more accepting, and not resort to hatred either of things they don't understand or their religions being overly close minded and restrictive (which is a redundant characterization of religion, but still).

So trans people and their allies have started speaking out, and putting messages in movies and games. Unfortunately, sometimes people are intentionally virtue signalling to pad their ego, or things are being interpreted as virtue signalling by people who are tired of seeing this stuff pop up everywhere. This is the unfortunate side effects of change - it's uncomfortable and the pendulum will swing violently until things have settled. Remember when being gay was controversial in the US? (Some places are still ass backwards but we have come a long way to the point it's not a big deal anymore and even the religious folks don't get too flustered). Or when women were not recognized as humans that also should be able to vote?

Personally I get the plight of the marginalized minority community, but unfortunately it comes with a price. Stuff like this in dragon age will stand out as as strange and maybe unnecessary. But if it happens to make a trans person happy and feel like their life is worth living because they don't think people see them as some sort of anomaly or biological mishap, I am all for it.
 

BigBeauford

Gold Member
Does Taash even have a personality, or are they simply meant to be a transgender ghosts of Christmas past, with their only purpose is to chide you for misgendering. This kind of person would be insufferable in real life, why would I want to pay $70 to have this "privilege"?
 
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HogIsland

Member
Again not the point. Everyone prefers a specific kinda entrainment if mine is not to have politic shit in my games. What's the problem. This game will disappoint like the rest of the dei shit lately and iam here for it.
play some other game that has the politics you like in it
 
imagine being an adult upset by this.
More of the "why do you care" crowd...

In other words:

Step 1: It's not really happening
Step 2: Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal
Step 3: It's a good thing, actually
Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem

Where are we at in the gaslighting train?

Sorry people are allow to have an opinion, and some don't like it in their games that are fantasy based on existing lore and world that wasn't like this previously.

The only reason this stuff got put in the game is because of the head director. Who made it about themself and a "new audience" instead of focusing on previous dragon age lore and fans.
People wouldn't care if new games were made that had this stuff (and that their existing games series and some other new games don't have this. Variety.) The problem is this replaces the existing, not creating alongside. When you replace what the existing likes there is always going to be blowback.
 
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Fabieter

Member
So the trans community has been historically oppressed and often its members would be violently assaulted, discriminated against, and many ultimately committed/commit suicide because they can't feel accepted by society.

The way to combat this, people are trying to raise awareness and have people be more accepting, and not resort to hatred either of things they don't understand or their religions being overly close minded and restrictive (which is a redundant characterization of religion, but still).

So trans people and their allies have started speaking out, and putting messages in movies and games. Unfortunately, sometimes people are intentionally virtue signalling to pad their ego, or things are being interpreted as virtue signalling by people who are tired of seeing this stuff pop up everywhere. This is the unfortunate side effects of change - it's uncomfortable and the pendulum will swing violently until things have settled. Remember when being gay was controversial in the US? (Some places are still ass backwards but we have come a long way to the point it's not a big deal anymore and even the religious folks don't get too flustered). Or when women were not recognized as humans that also should be able to vote?

Personally I get the plight of the marginalized minority community, but unfortunately it comes with a price. Stuff like this in dragon age will stand out as as strange and maybe unnecessary. But if it happens to make a trans person happy and feel like their life is worth living because they don't think people see them as some sort of anomaly or biological mishap, I am all for it.

Well they can do whatever they want but if there way is to minimize other people entertainment it's legitimate to not buy this and let it fail miserably. Why do I have to feel bad for not liking this shitty writing? If the only way for them to feel better is to make other people feel worse than wtf.
 

The Saint

Member
Aren't conversations like this where you go around camp talking to your team optional? If so, just don't talk to the character outside of mandatory story scenes.
 

SHAKEZ

Neo Member
More of the "why do you care" crowd...

In other words:

Step 1: It's not really happening
Step 2: Yeah, it's happening, but it's not a big deal
Step 3: It's a good thing, actually
Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem

Where are we at in the gaslighting train?

Sorry people are allow to have an opinion, and some don't like it in their games that are fantasy based on existing lore and world that wasn't like this previously.
It's funny how the "agenda" wasn't a thing a few years ago, now it's weird to care about it when it suddenly exists lol
 

Kikorin

Member
Luckily I'll never going to play this because it looks awful, even not considering all the woke things. But I'd be curious to know how they fit no-sense things like "non-binary" in a fantasy world that is supposed to be populated by any kind of fantasy creatures.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
While there's nothing inherently wrong about exploring these choices and themes in a "Role Playing Game", based on the screenshot, it seems the writers don't know how to do that in a way that fits the context of the lore, and instead feels like it was dropped in from our world, which impacts immersion.

'Non-binary' is a useless and meaningless term. It has no basis in biology. You are either male or female. The 'arguments' for being 'non-binary' are more akin to lifestyle/behavioural choices. It still does not change who you are.

It is an important part of psychology, and as psychology is the study of the emergent properties of the chemical processes of the biological brain, it is also very much rooted in biology. How one chooses to manifest one's own identity is a very important part of a functioning society that values freedom, personal autonomy, and individual expression.
 

Shodai

Member
I don’t care too much about all this DEI stuff, I’ll ignore games with it. However I do care when it infects franchises I admire.

Create your own identity but also…steal another platforms identity to do so. My cpu cycles stop at that conundrum.
 

Davevil

Late October Surprise
Luckily I'll never going to play this because it looks awful, even not considering all the woke things. But I'd be curious to know how they fit no-sense things like "non-binary" in a fantasy world that is supposed to be populated by any kind of fantasy creatures.
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jason10mm

Gold Member
Major glow up tbh
I know, right? All he did was shave, wash his hair, and maybe lost some weight. Looks great!

So is this demon character thing specifically NB, or is that a characteristic of its species (i.e. they fluctuate back and forth between sexes, like a starfish or something)? I think there is room to explore a character that, perhaps unwillingly, has to transition genders and then starts thinking and feeling in an entirely different way as the hormone mix radically changes.

But to make it an unavoidable "lecture" in the middle of the game...no thanks!
 
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