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goku could have killed fat buu with it
and gotenks could have killed super buu with it
also movie 13
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goku could have killed fat buu with it
and gotenks could have killed super buu with it
also movie 13
Beerus and Whis dilute that a little.
Plus it's just a matter of time until Piccolo discovers Super Namek God.
Yea but how much of a jump is it REALLY? I mean Goku ended up killing Kid Buu, the strongest form of Buu as a SS2. In theory doing the same thing to Kid Buu as SS2 to all the previous forms of Buu would have ended the battle as well. So what does SS3 really bring to the table?
Movies aren't canon though right? Otherwise what was that level he hit in the Lord Slug movie.
They call it False Super Sayian
Basically pissed off enough to turn but not quite powerful enough
he would have had to raise his power to a level that would have ended his day on earth before he killed him.
The Omega Man
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I think that's what people tend to expect of Gohan is they start by watching DBZ instead of DB, I never expected Gohan to surpass Goku or to become the protag.
It sort of is, Goku's dad was one of the most powerful Saiyans, before dying he had this vision of his kid growing up to be the strongest and avenging him by defeating Freezer.
However that vision didn't tell all the story, unless most Saiyans Goku's heart was kind and while he did beat Freezer it wasn't to avenge his dad but for his friends, family and the general good of mankind and the Universe. And while Goku didn't get the general evilness of the Saiyans he got the "thirst" for fighting and becoming the strongest there is.
Goku really needs to stop pulling this shit
That was only with a Spirit Bomb though, not because Kid Buu is beatable in SS2 -- the transformation was just to push the attack onto Buu all the way. He could have just as well killed any other form of Buu -- or any villain for that matter -- in the same way, that doesn't mean all transformations are useless.
So if the leaks about the plot are correct there are a few things I like and some others I don't.
+ Everything becomes cannon. The oav? A parallel timeline. Gt? Same. Super? Another one. They can put them in other universes and call it a go
+ Explains better the future Trunks story Imho. I always thought the Bulma machine was more a dimensional machine than a time one, beside if we think about it he already lives in another dimension...
+ Possibility for a lot of stronger enemies. All namecian fused together? Yes. Self controlled Broly? Why not. We can have all the kind of bullshit we always wanted lol.
- Makes Db a lot more confusing and it kinda loses its spirit about having fun
- Will create a lot of internet heat about the "official" timeline ahaha
+ Everything becomes cannon. The oav? A parallel timeline. Gt? Same. Super? Another one. They can put them in other universes and call it a go
+ Explains better the future Trunks story Imho. I always thought the Bulma machine was more a dimensional machine than a time one, beside if we think about it he already lives in another dimension...
+ Possibility for a lot of stronger enemies. All namecian fused together? Yes. Self controlled Broly? Why not. We can have all the kind of bullshit we always wanted lol.
- Makes Db a lot more confusing and it kinda loses its spirit about having fun
- Will create a lot of internet heat about the "official" timeline ahaha
The Silver
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That isn't Goku's arc that was just some cool backstory we were told after the fact.
As for Gohan being the hero, AT already said that's what he initially intended coming off of Cell but it didn't work out in his mind and so he went with Goku.
He thought the Great Saiyaman was a brilliant evolution of the character, then had him sit on his ass to unlock his ultimate power up, and then was surprised that his readers rejected the character. So he put Goku back in the lead. I still can't imagine what was going through his head when he thought turning the badass Cell arc Gohan into a fucking clown was a good idea. The man was so in love with Mr. Satan that he thought everyone needed to be a jackass.
Just about everything in the entire Buu arc is designed to subvert the reader's expectations or to take the piss out of how deadly serious the series had become.
SSJ3 is ridiculous looking, and despite being hyped up as the next big transformation, which had become the crux of the series' continual power escalation to the point of being an instant trump card, the form accomplishes absolutely nothing for the remainder of the series and is achieved by children who haven't been in a serious fight a day in their lives and treat the whole thing as a game.
edit: ^ Same thing with Gohan's mystic nonsense. You don't become a hero worthy of saving the world because you have a magic sword, or because a decrepit old man dances around you for hours to give you some sort of mystical power despite not working for it at all. It's played for laughs and ends up being completely ineffectual because it damn well should be. The whole thing's a big long treatise on how power isn't everything, and that love and a little basic human decency can do more to vanquish monsters and save the world than any superpower or magical quick-fix. It's why the series ended there, because there's nowhere else for a story about a bunch of muscle men who shoot lasers out of their hands to go, thematically.
Ultra Numb
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Excited.
I've finally accepted that badass Son Gohan will never make another appearance... even though I think we can still get that though certain developments which would make sense with his character.
Can we at least get more Piccolo which isn't him just getting rekd to hype up villains?
I've finally accepted that badass Son Gohan will never make another appearance... even though I think we can still get that though certain developments which would make sense with his character.
Can we at least get more Piccolo which isn't him just getting rekd to hype up villains?
The Omega Man
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In other words, he didn't like this scenario at all; after all, it has been Goku's show and story since DB, the only way for Gohan to have become number 1 would have been to kill Goku for good like really dead (does that exist in the the DB universe?)
No way in hell Gohan would have become the strongest with Goku still around being number 2 and admitting to that, that's not how Goku is, if there is someone stronger than him he becomes obsessed and determined to surpass him/her, that's a treat that Gohan lacks, the only one as obsessed as him is Vegeta, maybe you have to be 100% pure Saiyan blood to have this treat.
Pegosaurus
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cool thanks
Toei can do animation well. A lot of the more important episodes of one piece are pretty well animated. The movies are also very well animated, but I'm not sure if Toei animated those, and you have to take the bigger budget into account. I think the main problem with the one piece anime is the HORRENDOUS pacing.
I don't need Gohan to be the strongest
but I would like it if he wasn't a total scrub
As seemingly one of the few who actually loved GT, I could live with this.
GT is still my headcanon, thought. Forever will be. 
As seemingly one of the few who actually loved GT, I could live with this.
GT is still my headcanon, thought. Forever will be.
the twist we find out that GT was actually
set in universe 8 and we visit it later in the series lol.
I'm watching GT for the first time atm and it's not as bad as some make out. The set up is great, an adventure with kid Goku evoking the original series and Pan is a good new character .But I think it gets really dull when it starts imitating DBZ but with worse fights and they seem to forget lots of the in universe logic and everything becomes a bit meaningless.
Yeah, I don't know, I feel this is strecthing a bit to be honest. We really didn't know anything about Bardock until the TV move, and when Dragon Ball starts, Goku's father figure had been dead for awhile if I remember correctly. I don't think Goku arc in any way mirrors a father surprassing his son since he, nor anyone else, realizes who is father actually is, and everything exploring his father is side material.
So, you think that all of this stuff in the Buu Saga is intentionally meant to be a joke then? I've always thought the Buu Saga was super flawed for a lot of these reasons mentioned, but it never really occured to me that Akira was intentionally writing it this way.
I agree. GT isn't great or anything, but honestly, I've never thought it was half as bad as many people make it out to be.
ShemhazaiX
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Can we please just get a spin off called "Dragon Ball Yamcha" where we get to watch the best character of the series follow through with his budding baseball career?
so... when I previously said when we might find out about db super streams I completely forgot about funimation's show dubble talk (which is where they talk about their broadcast dubs)
I wouldn't get my hopes up but it's not impossible that we will hear about db super broadcast dubs tonight on that show as it's an anime expo version of it
I wouldn't get my hopes up but it's not impossible that we will hear about db super broadcast dubs tonight on that show as it's an anime expo version of it
Dominican Power
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Still haven't seen resurrection F smh
you don't need to, just wait for it to be redone in super
so is it bad I read
from an email sent by them and instantly feel like there is no chance in hell they can announce a db super simulcast now because to me that would be a bigger release >.>
Jason's Ultimatum
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goku talking about how annoying all the transformations were before killing buu seemed to reflect AT's feelings towards the buu saga.
of course I have no proof.
Kyleripman
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you don't need to, just wait for it to be redone in super
I suspect you aren't totally serious, but I hope they don't end up undermining their own movie, which has yet to be released in some territories, with this news about the same plot being retold in Super. I enjoyed it a lot and I think most fans would...so it'd be a shame to skip it.
ArchedThunder
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you don't need to, just wait for it to be redone in super
so is it bad I read
from an email sent by them and instantly feel like there is no chance in hell they can announce a db super simulcast now because to me that would be a bigger release >.>
I wouldn't call a Simulcast a release exactly. And besides, they haven't announced Super yet so as of now RF is their biggest release of the Summer, I mean it's a movie that is getting a limited theatrical run.
I am actually being mostly serious (but not totally as the movie likely will have better production qualities overall). There isn't much reason to rush out and watch a movie when it's just going to be redone as part of the anime. Now if they just do a quick recap in the anime then there is reason to watch the movie, but if it is just the movie broken up into episodes, or the movie with extended scenes then you might as well just watch it in super since at least then you will know exactly where it fits in the timeline of super.
I mean I will likely watch the movie once it has a dub release on video (I likely won't go to the theater as I can't watch it with my college friend since he doesn't live in the same state meanwhile we can both buy the movie and watch it together over mumble)
but part of that is based on the fact that I am not actually expecting db super to have any dubbed episodes released for about 2.5 years. If they announce a dubcast and the second movie is aired in super around the same time or before the movie is released I obviously will just watch the second movie via super.
in general if you don't want to waste time rewatching stuff there doesn't seem to be much reason to run out and see the revival movie since we will be watching it again in a few months via super.
SmackAttack
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I'm hyped.
ArchedThunder
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So why hasn't the OP updated with Toriyama's description of the series? I feel like it would help a lot with people clicking the thread who don't know many details on the show.
Absolutely.
It's not written to be another retread of Frieza and Cell, and if you go through it waiting for it to live up to those stories, then yeah, you're going to be disappointed. It's a very different sort of story that's ultimately about true strength and people finding what makes them happy, as told with an undercurrent of self-parody that's aimed squarely at the series' endless thirst for bigger explosions.
Toei missed the point and stretched it out to 92 episodes of anime, which ruined the tone.
Hm, interesting. That definitely makes it think of the Buu Saga in a different light if the intention was always more of a self-parody then. I always thought the self-parody was just a result of writing to excess like it sometimes does.
It just occurs to me that Broly second form looks a lot like SSGSS!
Plot twist: Broly is the first/true Super Sayian God!
I wish they would bring back Broly
ArchedThunder
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It's not confirmed to be a parody and Toriyama has never really said anything to imply that it is, it's just a fan theory.
clay_ghost
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Where did you read the rumours?
ArtHands
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The beginning of GT didnt capture what makes the original DB great; meeting up interesting people who eventually tag along with the adventure or stick around, and solely focusing on Goku/Trunk/Pan. It also make zero sense to just send only 1 team for all the black star dragon balls and not make another machine and send another team or two consisting of the side characters to speed up the workload. Its a missed opportunity to flesh out and create interaction and some screen time / exposure for them. Uub/Gohan/Marrow will be interesting
It get worse after the initial arc after they returned to Earth. The villains received no build-up when they appear. The Saiyans didnt do anything interesting. They have 2D personality and they feels flat and boring. Most of black star dragon balls being self episode contained, most of which consisting of Pan and Goku, while the rest of the saiyans just chilling at home. Everyone else were MIA except probably Mr Satan. They didn't capture what makes DBZ great here.
I don't think they were necessarily trying to mimic the original DB exactly. I can see the point of reference, but I think it was more DB meets The Little Prince, an emphasis on the adventure and seeing new places with a DB feel.
Eh, this really isn't true at all. Baby had significant build up before he was there, Super 17 bled directly out of Dr. Miyu's death earlier in the show, and the whole shadow dragon thing was hinted out earlier on when the Dragon Balls had shown to be cracked. None of the villains really came out of nowhere, they all had introductions and build ups.
I see.
QueenOfThorns
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How was the Kai version? I hope they improved that.
Kyleripman
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Yeah, I mean I can't blame you (or anyone) for looking at it that way...but it definitely sort of highlights the weirdness of announcing that you will be retelling the story of a movie that hasn't even released worldwide yet.
But hey, the more DB the better, as far as I'm concerned.
This should at least be more worthwhile than the bizarre retellings that take place in the Dragon Ball movies.All this SSJ3 hate making me sad...my favorite of the transformations.
chicagocubsfan
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They're gonna turn Vegeta into a laughingstock aren't they?
Ultra Numb
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Everyone except Goku will be the laughingstock
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