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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Kicked out by gloating if they were gonna pull that wouldn't that have been better pulled on the kids? Not the veteran who's been fighting all his life
Icyflamez96
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Omg lol
Goku is obnoxious and Vegeta is only interesting in slice of life situations in Super. They needed the other characters to come back to shift the focus away from such a boring dynamic. Future Trunks was just the start.
Icyflamez96
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Yeah that was pretty dumb. Especially since he made the mistake twice in one episode. I have no idea why they went with that when they could have easily had Frost overpower him and knock him out anyway without making Krillin look like a total idiot.
I hope they're training on the island right now against poachers using the bolded as inspiration
"tousan made us look silly. the great gotenks, who bounced majin boo around like a volleyball, reduced to a joke!"
hire me toei
Like those two would last longer
Saying as someone who wanted krillin to survive
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I doubt anyone would be upset he lost to frost straight up. So idk why it was done that way
Well I mean they're stronger than him...
You know what I'll take that back idek anymore
They probably would have because a kick with enough power to send Krillin flying without killing him would probably not even move Trunks or Goten.
And Krillin's "battle experience" is shit. All he's done post-Frieza was to be the group's designated Senzu bean deliveryboy, literally. And let's not even talk about Tien or Roshi. For those three useless bodies, they gave up two Super fucking Saiyans who even have the option of fusing into SSJ3?
I get why the show creators would put in Krillin, Tien and Roshi into the team. Having half the team be Super Saiyans would be kind of boring but that's the legacy of the IP. They can choose to write themselves out of this situation but not in this way of shoehorning obviously-underpowered characters into an important team in a series where literally nothing else have mattered in the past but pure raw power.
Latam brothers, i asked to an admin of a Br Fan page, he said nobody knows exactly what Cartoon Will do on saturday that the schedule is different in each place you check, only watching on saturday to know what Will happen.
Edit: in another Fan page they confirmed episode 6 for saturday.
Ugh i know nothing anymore
Edit: in another Fan page they confirmed episode 6 for saturday.
Ugh i know nothing anymore
Undead Fantasy
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Worst moment of the arc by far.
Unknown One
Member
Shoehorning is exactly what they did, they brought in weakass Roshi, freaking Roshi.
Ingeniero
Member
Goku is so dumb its funny to watch, hilarious screen time.
And Vegeta slice of life moments are always good and funny indeed, but also his fighting moments are badass, win or lose, excelent screen time always.
I agree with you that other characters should shift the focus a bit tho... but not the old boring cast, we need the U6 characters to gain relevance.
Kuririn is literally a joke character, only on screen for comedy relief purposes.
So him being eliminated in a humilliating way is perfect and fit his arc.
Also is was so funny to watch.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Yamcha,Jaco, buu
The only time Goku has canonically resorted to fusion is when his opponent is merged too. So unless the Pride Troopers combine in to some giant mech, it's never going to happen.
They wouldn't fuse again with buu when everything hangs in the balance and crushed the potara's
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
Yeah, realistically, they should've subbed out the three humans for Goten, Trunks, and Buu.
But then, the writers have been pandering to Pre-Buu Saga nostalgia since Resurrection F, so it's not surprising.
Romars202129
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I couldn't be happier about how little love Goten and Trunks get. They had their saga and it was terrible.
Yeah because Buu spit out everyone he had absorbed and merged with. Goku's pride stops him from using fusion on a single target.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
They didn't... Goku, Vegeta and Gohan kept stealing their thunder.
Didn't they crush the earrings inside Buu or was that filler ings inside Buu or was that filler
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
What saga
They crush the earrings on the Kai planet after they get back and right before fighting pure Buu.
KojiKnight
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I agree. Domestic Vegeta is best Vegeta. Especially since even when he does fight he doesn't really have the arrogance or flaunting that he used to. The man is now just diet Goku these days. Less stupidity, less power, less filling.
Well even more useless than him, at least Tenshinhan defeated somebody even if he had to team up with Roshi. Piccolo and Gohan haven't done anything yet.
I'll go there and say that U9 GoD was Bojack.
From what I understood on Saturday they'll be showing the same episodes they'll show this week, so yeah 1-5 again.
Romars202129
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Yeah, 100% Gotenks sure would have improved the Buu saga.
Obnoxious kids are the best especially mini versions of adult characters
The old cast is not boring at all. They're certainly more interesting than the one-dimensional Universe 6 screw.
The former-core-now-support-cast has been and still is heavily underutilized, and comes off as one-dimensional to me now. I'll exclude Krillin, 18 and 17 from that since they've been doing a good job with them this arc, but other than that, I can't say Picollo, Tien, and even Gohan have been seeing much and meaningful development. The latter to some extent, but all they did is bring him back to his old status from Z. From that point of view, I agree with the previous poster; U6 is fresh and full of possibilities.
We have universes of possibilities but we're doing little with them besides fodder at least for now
Goten and Trunks would have looked at the pride troopers, and fused to take on Jiren in the first minute.
They would have at least left Gohan's circle.
And they did nothing with the reason he wanted to learn SSJ in the first place. Salada was having a lot of issues and wars and he wanted to be a help in putting a stop to it. Yet they just ignored that.
They would have at least left Gohan's circle.
The only one I really fault for not having a lot of development is Cabba, since he's had over 60 episodes.
And they did nothing with the reason he wanted to learn SSJ in the first place. Salada was having a lot of issues and wars and he wanted to be a help in putting a stop to it. Yet they just ignored that.
They would so be the guys that got one shot by jiren, toppo, Ribranne, kale or hit as a joke or hell bergamo
I guess you missed the pre-tournament episodes? Gohan's had the second most development this arc aside from Goku.
Get out.
Undead Fantasy
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I'll be immensely disappointed if he doesn't beat at least one U6 Namekian.
The one thing I kind of like with the tournament now, or I guess the future of Super, is the unconventional "SSJ's."
I'm tired of SSB, and tired of everyone getting SSJ, so seeing two different types of "SSJ's", with Ultimate Gohan and Kale is nice. It's one of the reasons I liked that Gohan had an Ultimate form, he was different when SSJ was the big thing.
I'm tired of SSB, and tired of everyone getting SSJ, so seeing two different types of "SSJ's", with Ultimate Gohan and Kale is nice. It's one of the reasons I liked that Gohan had an Ultimate form, he was different when SSJ was the big thing.
Can we sacrifice Tien?
I didn't. As I said, all they did is make him not suck again. Something they never should have done in the first place. I can't really say he is very different from how he was in Z right now. All they did was reestablish the status quo.
Sparkedglory
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Can we sacrifice Tien?
No.
While I agree Toriyama made a mistake in retreading previous plot ideas, they've still developed Gohan in Super past Z in several respects. Here he's actively shown to want to protect his family, he wants to get better and they touched on his fatal flaw from Z back in episode 88. He's getting focus again this week so I expect those sort of developments to go further now that he's "super serious."
man I don't know what dragon ball you read/watched but the whole reason why I like this show is because of how likeable the characters are
I would never be "happy" about a character not getting attention. I think Goten and Trunks have a ton of potential for fun stories... maybe harkening back to the original adventures Kid Goku used to have. like that episode where they went to get the water for Videl was adorable.
I also think there's a fun story to tell about the parents being over protective and the kids wanting to go out there and prove themselves. Contrast with Gohan, who was pressured since the beginning to unleash his true potential against his wishes, you can have Goten and Trunks who want to get out there and kick ass only for dad to keep saying "No, it's too dangerous, you're staying home"
I would never be "happy" about a character not getting attention. I think Goten and Trunks have a ton of potential for fun stories... maybe harkening back to the original adventures Kid Goku used to have. like that episode where they went to get the water for Videl was adorable.
I also think there's a fun story to tell about the parents being over protective and the kids wanting to go out there and prove themselves. Contrast with Gohan, who was pressured since the beginning to unleash his true potential against his wishes, you can have Goten and Trunks who want to get out there and kick ass only for dad to keep saying "No, it's too dangerous, you're staying home"
Undead Fantasy
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The one thing I kind of like with the tournament now, or I guess the future of Super, is the unconventional "SSJ's."
I'm tired of SSB, and tired of everyone getting SSJ, so seeing two different types of "SSJ's", with Ultimate Gohan and Kale is nice. It's one of the reasons I liked that Gohan had an Ultimate form, he was different when SSJ was the big thing.
Can we sacrifice Tien?
Yes. He's boring as hell.
Romars202129
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In all seriousness, I think this Tournament of killing other universes so your Universe can live might be too heavy for the boys. I mean yeah you'll say Gohan fought world-destroying monsters as a child but he didn't like kill the namekian so the earthlings could live or something like that.
This really wasn't the place for kids.
So much redemption for that character when I get FighterZ....
Your face is boring as hell!! ( `-´ )
Yes, the individualized stuff is great. I was afraid they were gonna take the easy way out and do a SSB bargain sale but that doesn't look like it will ever happen, nor should it.
One reason I still hope, even if it wasn't intended, that Future Trunks form can be retconned into a hybrid form of trying to achieve SSB.
A new form, and a more interesting form for Goten and Trunks.
I don't think they ever stated it was on God level, and the one person who did the most damage to it was on Blue level to be fair.
I think the idea was just to reassure it wasn't going to breakdown completely in the fight. Frieza can't do a death ball and destroy the whole ring in order to win.
I'm pretty sure at that point people writing the show have absolutely no idea where they wanna go with the characters, they just try to write cool or funny stuff without any regard at all to past dragon ball development or power level in the least.
You don't have to care that much about continuity but the level at which dragon ball writers don't care about it is just frustrating.
Stuff like spending 10 minutes to explain how the ring is almost unbreakable, you have to be GoD level of power, to have it destroy easily by the first fighter around, just 2 minutes after is a prime example of how they just have abandoned any semblance of rules governing their universe. Put at least a bit of logic or continuity in your stuff...come on. Just the minimum..
In that regard, it's not really shocking how they forgot or don't care about Goten and Trunks or just decided to revert them to not so strong child..
You don't have to care that much about continuity but the level at which dragon ball writers don't care about it is just frustrating.
Stuff like spending 10 minutes to explain how the ring is almost unbreakable, you have to be GoD level of power, to have it destroy easily by the first fighter around, just 2 minutes after is a prime example of how they just have abandoned any semblance of rules governing their universe. Put at least a bit of logic or continuity in your stuff...come on. Just the minimum..
In that regard, it's not really shocking how they forgot or don't care about Goten and Trunks or just decided to revert them to not so strong child..
They want to show how strong characters are and to have change in settings but they might as well never bring up the material it was made from plus it's not really impressive since it was never shown how tough it is. I think it just to say it won't be destroyed by jiren and such but we could have assume that it was made by the priest
It is pretty great, and hopefully it will lead to the non-Saiyans learning some tricks that can let them finally get on the same level.
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