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Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Genki-Drama
- Thread starter ArchedThunder
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haha no.
haha yes. It took a punch from SSBKK at full power to stop Ultimate Gohan. He's a lot stronger than before.
He's incredibly lame now imo, don't get the on par w/ SSBKK part either.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
We literally just had episodes devoted to getting rid of gohan's arrogance and now you guys are saying he should be like jiren, what do you guys actually want from gohan's character,he's back fighting again, most of the episodes focused around him have been some of the most important ones with plenty of character moments. And they even buffed him to basically universal tier in power levels.
But he's sucking badly because what, he hasent won all OF his fights despite him winning most of them so far and even having really cool moments like at the beginning of the tournament? What are you guys actually complaining about? He shouldn't get any screen time like his brother? What?
But he's sucking badly because what, he hasent won all OF his fights despite him winning most of them so far and even having really cool moments like at the beginning of the tournament? What are you guys actually complaining about? He shouldn't get any screen time like his brother? What?
Icyflamez96
Member
I dunno maybe they're all just that confident in Jiren lol
How is he lame? because he's not in the spotlight? He erased a whole universe dude
Getting knocked out in one hit doesn't make him on par
Fulminator
Member
that's all well and good, but none of his fights in the actual tournament have been particularly interesting. His fight against Goku (and Tenshinhan) was great, but where the hell is that ruthless Gohan now?
I'd rather Gohan be cocky and lose like his fight against Buu, because at least that fight was really cool and entertaining to watch. The fight against Obuni was ok, but nothing special. Beyond that, he's fake fought freeza...and botamo.
His fight with Piccolo next week looks like it could be promising, but it seems to be a background fight so idk.
Anyways, the point is, I just want to see Gohan do something cool. He can have all the development in the world and still be lame if he doesn't get a good fight in.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
These complaints are now getting as bad as gohan sucks because he decided to live his life the way he wanted instead of wanting to fight all the time, where people ignores gohan's development cause they want gohan that just turned SSJ2 100% of the time despite that specific moment was to show that that isn't normally gohan's character
Has nothing to do with spotlight, other characters on the team don't hog it either, yet I come out more impressed with them. Just not particularly impressed with what I've seen so far. Part of it is also because of the expectations being higher than they are for most of the rest of the team. The sentiment among Gohan fans is that "he's back", but meh, can't say I've really shared it since the tournament began.
Also I don't know why you phrase the "erased a whole universe" part as if he did that himself, much less took out the entire team on his own.
EDIT:
Oh, and on the leader front, he sucks, especially when compared to Hit. But seriously, I just personally feel like I haven't really been given any real reason to suddenly be enamored with Gohan since this tournament began.
You mean after Gohan went, "used your full power!" twice?
The show disagrees with this and so does supplemental material and the writers that have the top three as Goku, Frieza, and Vegeta. Not Gohan in sight.
Not denying that, but it causes a disconnect between the audience and the show. And I still want to know why U11's angel wasn't sure about Jiren fighting Goku, but sung Jiren's praised when he was smashing Hit. I can't see her not knowing how stronger Jiren is.
Pretty much.
17, 18, and Frieza all got less spotlight in the TOP, yet they gave far more impressive performances. Krillin gave a more impressive performance despite being knocked out early.
Fulminator
Member
Dragonball is literally a show about fighting. Most of us watch it to see our favorite characters fight.
I want Gohan to fight. I'm like Goku in the Cell saga. I don't care if he doesn't like it lol.
Why you lying Zeno?
Fulminator
Member
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Some of the best actual moments in super so far have been the non fighting episodes
Fulminator
Member
i'm not going to dispute that, but that's not the reason why I watch the show, it's just bonus. the core of dragonball is the fighting (and comedy, although less so since DB). that's how it's always been
True, but even Gohan's non-fighting moments have been subpar compared to almost every other character. Even in the Saiyaman episodes, Videl was honestly the best character in it.
Fulminator
Member
this fight is better than anything Gohan has done in the ToP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6Mp314Z8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6Mp314Z8c
ArchedThunder
Banned
Someone posted some other gifs earlier, here's two I made.
It was really cool seeing someone fight against Hit's Time-Skip in real time like that,
It was really cool seeing someone fight against Hit's Time-Skip in real time like that,
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It's true. His ability was so impossible that it couldn't be displayed.
Icyflamez96
Member
I've said it a lot of times, and I've said I've said it a lot of times, but mostly what I enjoy Super for so far are the elements other than the fighting. Character interactions, plot developments, that stuff. The fighting to me is lackluster in Super, though it keeps improving as it goes on.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Oh wow, I didn't realise they had animated this fight so well.Someone posted some other gifs earlier, here's two I made.
It was really cool seeing someone fight against Hit's Time-Skip in real time like that,
Fulminator
Member
lol jiren pulling a vegeta and spamming punches
The one warrior Jiren was needed for to take out.
Sad.
Seeing this.....they should have brought Saiyaman and dumped Ultimate Gohan. We would have gotten cheese with some good fights.
Someone posted some other gifs earlier, here's two I made.
It was really cool seeing someone fight against Hit's Time-Skip in real time like that,
Did we get that with Frost in the Champa Saga along with Vegeta when he fought Hit.
Imagine that persona meeting Toppo, missed opportunity
roflwaffles
Member
Gohan is super lame now but he's been lame for all of Super. SSJ2 vs Cell is just a peak he is never going to get back to.
What really hurts is that he's so ugly now, having the bang as a unique part of his transformation was a horrible idea. He just looks like Cell Saga Yamcha now.
DBM Gohan is actually a decent design and is well drawn despite not having a bang, Super just doesn't get his bang-less look right.
What really hurts is that he's so ugly now, having the bang as a unique part of his transformation was a horrible idea. He just looks like Cell Saga Yamcha now.
DBM Gohan is actually a decent design and is well drawn despite not having a bang, Super just doesn't get his bang-less look right.
Fulminator
Member
i would have supported that
Icyflamez96
Member
This issue with his fights in the ToP being uninteresting so far have nothing to do with his personality. I dont even get why that was a discussion point lol.
Is Gohan wearing the watch? It could still happen.
Also why not both? Ultimate Saiyaman, with a bang over the helmet.
Icyflamez96
Member
Hit's under eye lines were REAL this episode
Fulminator
Member
looked really good tbh
i am only being rough on gohan because i know they can make him do better than this
Gohan's SBD wish will be for the GS movie to be a commercial success.
Icyflamez96
Member
Maybe it'll be for his dad to watch the movie without falling to sleep
You know, I feel the opposite. While I enjoy the fights in Z, I enjoy Super's fights more for the primary reason that Super focuses more on real martial arts. I have been taken martial classes for a couple of years and looking back at Dragon Ball and especially Z and seeing supposedly mastered martial arts masters doing stuff that my teachers preach against takes me out of the moment. Yeah, it may look cool, but I can't take it seriously.
That is why I loved Resurrection 'F''s fights since I can actually see real and correct implication of techniques like joint locks, palm strikes, and trips. Super does this to, especially with fighters like Hit, which is why I always enjoy seeing Hit fight. The same with Beerus and even Whis.
Z has a lot of flash with little substance.
That is my feeling as well. I'm hard on characters because I truly care for them and Gohan can be so much better.
Gohan manages to land his new form that Piccolo hinted at in this tournament. He then proceeds to break Jiren's barrier, flicks him in the nose, and then walks away.
Jiren, in complete awe that he could be so thoroughly humiliated, jumps off of the stage.
Frieza wouldn't have fallen asleep.
Fulminator
Member
honestly, my biggest problem with Jiren is that all the artists give him different sized eyes lol
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Something like All-Mighty from MHA?
......That could be cool.
It kind of does in a way since you can be interesting without fighting like Frieza or even Vegeta. Gohan is just kind of there.
Icyflamez96
Member
I don't see what you mean. I thought Gohan's exhibition match was pretty dang good and his personality then was the same before he got Ultimate back.
I am talking about the TOP specifically. Gohan was doing well until the tournament started. Then he disappeared into blandness and his fights have been the most lackluster with only Tien and Piccolo's fights being worse.
Exhibition Match Gohan stood out since he was still unsure about his power and gave interesting commentary from the sidelines. That and he had probably his best fight in the series.
Fulminator
Member
yeah gohan's zen exhibition match was good. give him another fight like that. maybe let him win this time too lol.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I'm talking about how Jiren is perfectly countering him.
He should have won in 80.
Fulminator
Member
yeah but grand priest is a dick :/