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Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Genki-Drama
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Fulminator
Member
That was the best part. Jiren giving absolutely zero fucks.
RedBaron17
Member
Fucking LOVED the special. Like, we kinda knew from the preview what was going to happen to Goku but holy shit!
It looked cool. That's literally it.
Holy Order Sol
Member
it's fucking Dragon Ball and it's hype as fuck
Fulminator
Member
This was better than original super Saiyan and super Saiyan 2 transformation
Imo
Imo
so much feels right now
the whole experience was reminiscent of when we rushed from the bus waiting anxiously in anticipation of goku turning ssj. we were intent on not missing a single second, glued to our tvs hours before toonami aired
and did this episode deliver. that was some hxh type shit
the whole experience was reminiscent of when we rushed from the bus waiting anxiously in anticipation of goku turning ssj. we were intent on not missing a single second, glued to our tvs hours before toonami aired
and did this episode deliver. that was some hxh type shit
Can someone make me a small avatar picture of goku charging here, right when his eyes widen? Thanks in advance.
Don't really agree due to the lack of build-up, but hey.
The Last One
Member
I don't know about SSJ2, I would say it was on par with it. Definitely better than the SSJ1 though.
The camera angles in 110 were out of this world. I couldn't believe in my eyes that I was watching a DB episode, everything was SO well done.
Wouldn't go that far for me personally due to iconic nostalgia, and having much more value narratively speaking. Looked cool af though, definitely #3 for me.
Fulminator
Member
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MeisaMcCaffrey
I would place the original SSJ and Gohan's SSJ2 a bit higher than this.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Um, possible plot hole?
In DBZ fight against Vegeta, Goku used Genki dama against him, but Vegeta dodged and it went Gohan's way. Goku said one who has no evil intent can deflect it away, and Gohan did. Now in DB Super, Jiren, assuming he had evil intent couldn't deflect it easily but had to rely on brute force to do so, but why couldn't Goku deflect it out of pure heart? Or is the writer telling us Goku is evil in some ways? Kinda meta right here.
In DBZ fight against Vegeta, Goku used Genki dama against him, but Vegeta dodged and it went Gohan's way. Goku said one who has no evil intent can deflect it away, and Gohan did. Now in DB Super, Jiren, assuming he had evil intent couldn't deflect it easily but had to rely on brute force to do so, but why couldn't Goku deflect it out of pure heart? Or is the writer telling us Goku is evil in some ways? Kinda meta right here.
Fulminator
Member
Krillin said in the episode that goku doesn't go super Saiyan when using Genki dama bc malice seeps into his heart
He was blue when jiren pushed it into him
I find this Dypso posture weirdly alluring
Any gif the second after where his beard is blown back? Was so nicely animated lol.
Solid Sora
Member
I believe the thing this episode did best was selling the new ability. For the first time since, maybe Saiyan Saga Vegeta's fight, I felt that Goku became a much better fighter. He didn't just get stronger as usual for transformations. His moves were choreographed in a much different way than what we're used to. He's smoother, faster, and way more intimidating.
I hope they can keep on highlighting the different fighting style of this form even in the lesser episode. Would be such a shame to see it becoming just another power up down the line.
I hope they can keep on highlighting the different fighting style of this form even in the lesser episode. Would be such a shame to see it becoming just another power up down the line.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Just finished the special. And I vote to have episode 109 retitled as "Goku Gets His Shit Pushed In", Nothing sweeter than watching Jiren forcing Goku to bow down to him!!!!
Bobo Dakes
Member
SS1 Goku
SS2 Gohan
SS3 Goku
UI Goku
I wouldn't know how to order those. SS1 Vegeta would be 5 on that list though.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Fulminator
Member
Fair enough. I'm not much for nostalgia. This was just cool as heck, cooler than either of those transformations.
Might not have been as narrative driven but it was just fucking cool.
Of course this is just how I feel though.
A power boost having defeated a single enemy in Super.
NippleViking
Banned
"or wishin' to meet someone stronger than I've ever met before". Wonder whether this was a hint at Goku's wish, and potentially the next Arc or villain.
My understanding is that the Sprit Bomb clash, in Blue Kaio Ken x 20, made Goku push himself beyond his limit, and dig deeper into his powers than ever before. In exhausting everything he has, he's unconsciously discovered Mastery of Self Movement/Ultra Instinct.
Ultra instinct seems to be more of a technique with visual change (like Kaio Ken) than a new form. My personal take is that Jiren can use it too, but it's meant to be used in micro-spurts and not consistently - hence Goku's immense heat release and burnout.
He was spent of Ki, but was able to reabsorb some from the Genki Dama, partially recovering his key and enabling him to use Ultra-instinct. It's probably not contingent on Genkidama ki.
Ultra instinct seems to be more of a technique with visual change (like Kaio Ken) than a new form. My personal take is that Jiren can use it too, but it's meant to be used in micro-spurts and not consistently - hence Goku's immense heat release and burnout.
He was spent of Ki, but was able to reabsorb some from the Genki Dama, partially recovering his key and enabling him to use Ultra-instinct. It's probably not contingent on Genkidama ki.
Now I'm waiting for
Goku to make another spirit bomb, and because no one could defeat Jiren between Goku's genki damas, everyone from every other universe gives him their energy, and Goku just fucking eats the thing like a massive sandwich. Like finally his incredible lust for food saves reality's bacon.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
He wasn't trying to deflect, he was trying to hit Jiren with it. He couldn't do that in normal form because Jiren was strong. In the end it just exploded and Goku was powerless and exhausted to do anythingWhy don't Goku just transform back to normal form to deflect?
Fulminator
Member
Idk lol,maybe it was just too muchWhy don't Goku just transform back to normal form to deflect?
E: yeah at above
UI easily topped SSJ3 for me. Was also just as random as UI was, so makes it even easier to say UI was more impressive.
Fair enough. Normally I ain't that pressed over nostalgia, but SSJ and SSJ2 are on another level in that regard, so yea lol
Solid Sora
Member
For me it's:
SSJ2 Gohan
UI Goku
SSJ Goku
Super really needed a classic desperate transformation moment like this. SSG was a boring out of nowhere ritual, SSB was achieved off-screen, SSBxKK was also achieved off-screen. This was just super satisfying.
SSJ2 Gohan
UI Goku
SSJ Goku
Super really needed a classic desperate transformation moment like this. SSG was a boring out of nowhere ritual, SSB was achieved off-screen, SSBxKK was also achieved off-screen. This was just super satisfying.
I'd say this had more build up than SSJ3, easily.
JasonUresti
Member
Why don't Goku just transform back to normal form to deflect?
Probably not strong enough in that form. Goku went blue plus 20x Kaio Ken trying to push back against Jiren, and it wasnt enough.
Also dont think we saw anything close to Jiren's full power, even after Goku gained his new form.
Yea that's true, I just felt that it was still lacking to the point where saying it's better than SSJ3 frankly doesn't mean much. But who cares when it looked so damn cool...
Fulminator
Member
I don't think ultra instinct is all there is to this form. Goku couldn't do shit to jiren as ssbkk x20, but he managed to damage him in the new form, even if only a little bit. He has to be stronger than before.
The Last One
Member
I loved how this episode made Goku look really powerless for many moments before the UI transformation. The last time I felt he was so powerless was against Frieza perfect form in DBZ.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
From a spectator view, it looked more like Jiren was overpowering Goku and Goku is at risk of death than a beam struggle where Goku had a chance in winning. Well, I suppose it can be explained that it's all or nothing for Goku to win the beam struggle.
Pretty much. It's the one scene I go back and watch on occasion more than anything else.
Fulminator
Member
He's surprised they're so weak
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
SSJ for the first time is still probably the best. All the hype going into it, all the desperate struggles, then Krillin dying to make Goku snap. SSJ2 Gohan might be the only other scene where there's an argument though.
Maybe you should wait a while, no?
The Last One
Member
It's also pretty amazing that Beerus went from "No Goku, you can't die now. This is really it?" to "I'm so jealous of Goku right now!".
