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Dragon Ball: Xenoverse |OT| Yes, They're Still Making These
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LurkerPrime
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I saved Bardock! Hooray. With that, story is complete.
Thanks again for your help, DBXVGAF.
Now I'm here, shocked, that there's another tier of equipment unlocked for purchase, including Arale-chan's accessories.
Hope you know your Dragonball lore, because you're gonna need it. For everything outside of that, just use your imagination, I guess.
Thanks again for your help, DBXVGAF.
Now I'm here, shocked, that there's another tier of equipment unlocked for purchase, including Arale-chan's accessories.
Nope. Biggest letdown in the game.
Hope you know your Dragonball lore, because you're gonna need it. For everything outside of that, just use your imagination, I guess.
SolicitorPirate
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How are the servers right now? Took a bit of a break from the game to get back into MH, but I wanna jump back in once servers are more stable.
Welfare
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On Xbox One I can get in Multi lobby every time now.
LurkerPrime
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I haven't had any problems for 24 hours on PC, so they seem to be getting a handle on it.
Health I noticed doesn't matter much but Max Ki and Stamina are noticable differences and so is damage output
SolicitorPirate
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Hero Prinny
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yo wtf the game keeps crashing to desktop on the pq where you fight beerus and his bitch
LurkerPrime
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TheSlySoul
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Wow, people were not joking about the Ape PQ52 quest being EXP heaven. Went from 1 to 33 in 2 hours.
Now the quest is even more of a joke.
Now the quest is even more of a joke.
Pureauthor
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2 hours seems way too long for that quest.
Again I reiterate clothing may seem like it affects damage a lot on the graph, but in actuality it means very little. It could just be your race, body type, and height that you're noticing. Though I can't say how it affects anything other than damage as I have not tested this myself.
Tested P. Kamehameha with 100 points in Ki Blast Supers and Super Vegeta active against Piccolo on PQ #19 Let's Train no Z-Soul or Z-Assist with full 4-Star Dragon Ball Costume and Full Android 18's Clothes (Vest and Pants) sans the Pants with a Student Skirt substituting the pants.
TheSlySoul
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Most of it was getting to 15. I had 53 locked away since you need to play 52 first.
It was 30 minutes to 16-33.
The change in clothing your melee set only adds 3 per item while the Ki set adds 5 and subtracts 5.Again I reiterate clothing may seem like it affects damage a lot on the graph, but in actuality it means very little. It could just be your race, body type, and height that you're noticing. Though I can't say how it affects anything other than damage as I have not tested this myself.
Tested P. Kamehameha with 100 points in Ki Blast Supers and Super Vegeta active against Piccolo on PQ #19 Let's Train no Z-Soul or Z-Assist with full 4-Star Dragon Ball Costume and Full Android 18's Clothes (Vest and Pants) sans the Pants with a Student Skirt substituting the pants.
So you are essentially having a 8pt stat shift difference between the 2.
Putting something on equivalent like the Bardock outfit vs the 4 star outfit you will see more of a shift in stats.
Also I can see the difference in the health bars where it can make a big difference depending on the situation. First health bar you will finish it in 2 shots with the same blast while the second one you wont. Added equal gear and you'll see it shift more like I said.
Philtastic
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1) As such, it would have been better to demonstrate defensive options, not offensive.
Super Guard, Instant Transmission, Quick Sleep (buus only. for between stages), perfect guard, and God Breaker/Change the future. Those are off the top of my head.
The reason I say this is because we know ki blast super specialists will always outdamge striker specialists due to the enormous amount of options they have offensively.
2) I mentioned that combo specifically because it keeps you moving and you vanish between two different locations while doing it. You could even cancel, and change it up to other combos to move in any direction you want. You could also press heavy attack + ki blast, then press the jump button afterward to chase your opponent to start a unique combo. All of this is to keep you moving so trunks and vegeta's giant beams wont hit you. *They'll use explosive wave, but they cannot use it back to back to the point where comboing them would be useless. There appears to be a cooldown for a cpu's use of it. It doesnt seem to be tied to stamina. Which is unfair.I take it you know meteor crash will go on longer if you hold that button down? I think it uses up 3 ki bars if you let it.
Not trying to school you. Just trying to help out a fellow strikerfyi
1) I'm not sure how Instant Transmission would help in that PQ. I do show that Super Guard is amazingly good for this PQ. I find perfect guard pretty hard to pull off in melee and much easier to time against ranged. I just beat the story a bit after recording that video and hadn't farmed my way up to Change the Future and God Breaker yet. Sounds like God Breaker would have helped a lot. The point of the video was not to demonstrate offensive options but rather merely to survive and possibly beat the PQ without using ultimates since there were a few posts wondering how you could possibly beat the PQ without ultimate spamming. Playing as a non-melee saiyan with very few points in melee abilities, the point was that, if this character could survive and go that far with those stats and level, actual melee characters should be able to do it much easier.
2) Have you ever tried to combo the AI in that PQ? Because not only have I tried but I have now tried using that exact combo chain and, as I mention before, it's not all that possible. And yes, they can use their escape moves back to back because you generally have to temporarily disable one of them to even have a chance at performing even 1 combo which can give ample time for them to cool their escape move down. Here's a video I recorded earlier today where I tried to use the 1xHeavy+4xLight combo chain. Every time, it gets interrupted usually before I can even repeat it once. I think the longest I had it going for is 1.5 times. You'll also note that Goten gets a ton of blocks off and that's mostly because heavy attacks are slower so the AI ends up blocking it more. In the previous video, you will see that light attacks tend to never get blocked. I do more damage just spamming throw than I do attempting to chain combo them. I should also note that, after this recording, I did try to vary up which teleport I restarted the combo on but it didn't really help that much: the other guy would still interrupt it. Seriously, you try to chain melee combos on them... unless maybe you're using the frieza race which has much faster combos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WR2Ev__8JQ
Edit: Better yet, you try doing it without ultimates.
IAmRandom31
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Victory Rush / Blue Hurricane ultimates
Kioken x20
Meteor Blow
Racoome Kick
Eagle Kick
Mach Dash
Meteor Blow to Racoome Kick. Kioken after Racoome kick for the dual boosts and the Mach dash toward the enemy for the speed boost. Character now strong as fuck and I would rush in, land some blows. Get a combo going, throw my paralyze regular ki blast. Victory Rush.
Sleep now my friend. Sleep
Kept eagle kick around for combos and when an enemy flew over my head or liked to stay above me too much
Blue Hurricane was an equalizer against multiple opponents. Use it and get em sucked right next to me. Hit like 40x sometimes
IAmRandom31
Banned
Online stability definitely seems like it's starting to hold together.
Finished training with Cell, Perfect Kamehameha awwww yeah
I tried to get into the multiplayer lobby and it actually said the lobby was full and I had to try later. So looks like they finally implemented a cap so that should help
Hmm, that's actually sort of a bummer. I didn't realize there was literally one lobby... at least you can still do content online from the single lobby though.
What a PITA to beat whis and beerus. I noticed that focusing on whis made things a little easier. All battles after this one were a piece of cake though.
Beat the game. Createad my sayajin waifu and one character of each race.
And call me crazy but i think the battles look better caped at 30 fps. There's something with all the shit happening, the motion blur. It just feels right.
Beat the game. Createad my sayajin waifu and one character of each race.
And call me crazy but i think the battles look better caped at 30 fps. There's something with all the shit happening, the motion blur. It just feels right.
Still very little difference in the graphs
4 Star Dragon Ball Costume: +5 Health / 0 Ki / 0 Stamina / -5 Basic Attack / -5 Strike Supers / +5 Ki Blast Supers
Android 18's Clothes (Vest and Pants): 0 Health / 0 Ki / +3 Stamina / +3 Basic Attack / +3 Strike Supers / -3 Ki Blast Supers
Time Patroller Suit: 0 Health / 0 Ki / +5 Stamina / +5 Basic Attack / +5 Strike Supers / -5 Ki Blast Supers
Same as before, P. Kamehameha with 100 points in Ki Blast Supers and Super Vegeta active against Piccolo on PQ #19 Let's Train no Z-Soul or Z-Assist
Again I reiterate that, yes, this small amount of damage will make the biggest difference in PvP, but for most people who I see post in this thread and are worried they won't get through the story content without min-maxing they can rest easy as they partake in Fashion DBZ.
After you beat the main story you talk to Thirith hanging out with the Taino Squad in front of where you accept PQs. Finish a PQ, and he should have a green question mark over his head the next time you see him, and he hands you the outfit.
Still very little difference in the graphs
4 Star Dragon Ball Costume: +5 Health / 0 Ki / 0 Stamina / -5 Basic Attack / -5 Strike Supers / +5 Ki Blast Supers
Android 18's Clothes (Vest and Pants): 0 Health / 0 Ki / +3 Stamina / +3 Basic Attack / +3 Strike Supers / -3 Ki Blast Supers
Time Patroller Suit: 0 Health / 0 Ki / +5 Stamina / +5 Basic Attack / +5 Strike Supers / -5 Ki Blast Supers
Same as before, P. Kamehameha with 100 points in Ki Blast Supers and Super Vegeta active against Piccolo on PQ #19 Let's Train no Z-Soul or Z-Assist
4-Star Dragon Ball Costume
Android 18's Clothes (Vest and Pants)
Time Patroller Suit
Again I reiterate that, yes, this small amount of damage will make the biggest difference in PvP, but for most people who I see post in this thread and are worried they won't get through the story content without min-maxing they can rest easy as they partake in Fashion DBZ.
To me it's significant. Pushing as much as you can out is worth it to me when you PVP. For PVE... whatever floats your boat. In PVP though that "little" bit can sometimes save your bacon. Rather make sure they're going down in as few of hits as possible rather than letting them have any chance of survival.
Yes, and I agree with you which is why I say "this small amount of damage will make the biggest difference in PvP".
Philtastic
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Holy crap, this is amazing data! Now we can figure out how much each point is worth using some pixel counting!
Given these damage differences, each point of ki super is worth roughly 2.5% damage, thus stacking it actually makes a huge difference in damage (such as the ~25% difference between the 4-star dragon ball costume and time patroller suit.
Someone with 100 points in ki supers vs. someone with 0 points is doing +250% more damage (3.5x).
EDIT: Oh, full costume, so the percent value is 4x less so each arrow appears to be worth ~0.625% which is far less significant per arrow. Still, a ~25% difference for stacking it is still pretty significant buff and may be the difference between needing to do a super/ultimate one more time to finish someone off.
sorry . I kinda just skimmed over it since I am doing a bit of trial and error. was working out the differences of weight and how they affect melee styles in the game.
Turns out that Heavy I can quickly win, medium is still decent, light and it times out.
Melee in this game is strange but I am determined to make a melee build that works for me.
Medium seems nice for balance while heavy is good for brute force and light is just not going to cut it at all.
Majin males have a ton of HP but are a joke when it comes to speed
Holy crap, this is amazing data! Now we can figure out how much each point is worth using some pixel counting!
Given these damage differences, each point of ki super is worth roughly 2.5% damage, thus stacking it actually makes a huge difference in damage (such as the ~25% difference between the 4-star dragon ball costume and time patroller suit.
Mind you, since it's the full costumes, the full difference is 40 "arrows". 10 for each slotHoly crap, this is amazing data! Now we can figure out how much each point is worth using some pixel counting!
Given these damage differences, each point of ki super is worth roughly 2.5% damage, thus stacking it actually makes a huge difference in damage (such as the ~25% difference between the 4-star dragon ball costume and time patroller suit.
Also apparently the arrows are not actually 1 point each but a multiplier of roughly the same strength according to a test on GameFAQS
If that is, then what would be the multiplier?
Actually you're right. at lvl 1 wearing top end gear doesn't shift stats like it would at lvl 80
Philtastic
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Edited to reflect full costume rather than just swapping a piece.
The non-linear nature of these arrows may be why it's a 5% difference with 8 arrows but more than the expected 25% with 40 arrows. This means that each additional arrow that you add counts for more which encourages stacking a full costume (you could say that it's a set bonus).
Edit: Although, given that the difference between 4-star dragon ball costume and time patroller is 40 and it only gives a slightly non-linear boost, that "set bonus" isn't really significant.
Edit2: Actually, the 26.7% is probably 25% but with some error from Photoshop's wand tool plus image compression. A 1% difference is basically 1 pixel. That means that the arrows are a linear modifier of your point values.
That looks to be a pretty significant change to offensive stats.Skinnest/shortest majin compared to tallest/fatest, 1 lvl difference no points put on any stat. same stat clothing one with bardocks the other with broly.
Good job Vegeta, your smaller frame gives you a natural ki blast advantage and you still can't put it to good use
Skinnest/shortest majin compared to tallest/fatest, 1 lvl difference no points put on any stat. same stat clothing one with bardocks the other with broly.
WOW wtf? Dat stat difference between the 2.
Philtastic
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Skinnest/shortest majin compared to tallest/fatest, 1 lvl difference no points put on any stat. same stat clothing one with bardocks the other with broly.
That is an insane difference! So which body type affects which stat then?
.Holy crap, this is amazing data! Now we can figure out how much each point is worth using some pixel counting!
Vegito's Clothes
Just tried the same test with Vegito's clothes to see if despite having the same +5 effect on Ki Blast Supers there possibly was some hidden unique multiplier for different clothing.
I just wanted to stealth brag how easily I got a full set of Vegito's clothes in two hours or so. Makes up for the days it took me to get a full set of Supreme Kai clothes.
On a slightly related note, I might test out how much extra damage my Sphere of Destruction + Fighting Pose G + Super Vegeta 2 + "Here Comes Payback!" Z-Soul + Z-Assist + 5 Ki Blast Super (Vegito's Clothes) does.
You realize it might have been less hassle to just go to Offline Battle against Hercule, Check and memorize his max HP with a scouter, and then reduce post-Ki Blast HP from that?
Hercule can't vanish, he's largely a coward and will get exhausted and utterly helpless after a certain combo he likes to do.
Hercule can't vanish, he's largely a coward and will get exhausted and utterly helpless after a certain combo he likes to do.
He has too low health. Just tried and he dies with one Ultimate Attack. Even tried with Omega Shenron who I believe has the highest health (at least of the characters I've unlocked, still haven't unlocked Broly), and he dies as well. But your point still stands I could have used the Scouter with the Piccolo from the PQ to get some actual numbers, but regardless I would have needed to screenshot and post it here. Even if I did have numbers I like the visual representation of the health bars.
I'm done until they release a patch. Beerus hasn't appeared once as a mentor and I can't even get smaller skills from certain missions like Blue Hurricane, I'm not gonna waste 8 minutes on that mission each attempt for a shitty skill just to 100% it. Broly and Vegitos aside, I don't see how anyone can find this design fun, is this seriously what Destiny is like? Guess that officially solidifies my non-purchase of that game if it's just do the same shit 1000x over hoping the game gives you what you want...pure bladestone farming all over again.
Jimnymebob
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Can I use Angry Shout during Kaioken x20 without it draining stamina, to keep my Ki topped up?
Yes.
Jimnymebob
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Alright, awesome.
Kaioken x20 is the best non SSJ transformation, but if I'm correct it increases your attack and speed (not sure if it increases your speed, but it seems like it) the same amount as Kaioken x3, but x20 doesn't drain stamina when you use stamina based skills like vanish and evasive ultimate moves, instead it drains your stamina bar quicker. So basically, you want to put points into stamina to benefit from x20. With low stamina x3 is probably better.
Captain Star
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Is there anyone else experiencing some audio issues with this game? I'm playing it on PS4 and all the sound effects including voices are are prone to clipping and distortion.
I have tested the game with the Gold Headset, Gold Headset with digital surround sound disabled, and regular T.V. speakers all with the same results. I'm at a loss and Google has not helped.
I have tested the game with the Gold Headset, Gold Headset with digital surround sound disabled, and regular T.V. speakers all with the same results. I'm at a loss and Google has not helped.
FootballFan
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Hmm nothing like that for me.
Anyone know if you can delete the game data(not save data) then reinstall the game? That would be what I would recommend, as long as it doesn't ruin your progress.
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