my bet is 3ki and 70% hero/villain leaders
its not gonna be ssj4 gogeta because i feel thats gonna be the most rare LR in the game
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Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle |OT2| Passing Stones
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my bet is 3ki and 70% hero/villain leaders
its not gonna be ssj4 gogeta because i feel thats gonna be the most rare LR in the game
The new leaders should be released at the beginning of next month. It's either going to be rainbow leads or it's going to be the next step above the 120%.
Human Trashcan
Banned
I'd like to think something more interesting than bigger numbers but let's be real, it's probably just bigger numbers. Probably new rainbow leads first since they predate the 120% meta, aside from Masked Saiyan.
bennywhatever
Member
I'm still convinced Super Vegito is the best card in the game. Just had him dominate the final stage of SSBKK Goku event, by himself as the first card in the first turn. Counter Crits are so strong, made even better by the essentially 0 damage taken.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Hes probably the most broken card bamco has made honestly. A tank that dishes out insane damage.
GhostTrick
Banned
But which rainbow lead. We already have 4: VB/Rosé, which are ki+3 and 50% and Trunks/Fused Zamasu, which are ki+1 and 70%.
It's kind of sad that this will be the case. Either the devs lack imagination or there's some kind of Gacha knowledge that bigger numbers bring in more money vs complex ability offerings.
Omegabalmung9
Member
GhostTrick
Banned
Btw quick question guys:
Does SA actually has a consequence on Super Vegito and Vegito Blue counters ?
Does SA actually has a consequence on Super Vegito and Vegito Blue counters ?
bennywhatever
Member
Not sure what you mean.
If SV/VB get hit by a super attack, the attack hits them and they take the damage they're supposed to take. The counter only happens on normal/non-supers.
Human Trashcan
Banned
They designed themselves into a corner because there is no incentive to pull for units that are not at least somewhat more powerful than the current offerings, because nothing is difficult with the current units in the game. Damage is king and clear speed is really the only major variable, once your box is sufficiently stacked (unless you think item usage matters at all but it doesn't, if you have an account with some play time on it you're not hurting for items at all). And the thing is they can't design future events around the 1% with the crazy stacked boxes because it'll alienate F2P players and newcomers, so if they make stuff so hard that a current fully stacked Super STR team can't clear it, then it's too hard for 99.9% of players.
I do wish there was more truly hard stuff like boss rush with an incentive to clear it weekly or something for the hardcore. I run boss rush for fun sometimes just to push my teams to the limit because even the newest dokkanfests are really easy with a stacked box.
GhostTrick
Banned
I meant, does the SA level change the damage done by SV/VB counters ? For exemple, does a SA10 SV counter harder than a SA1 ? Same for VB.
bennywhatever
Member
Ahhh gotcha. I believe it's a static 350% multiplier when they counter, not affected by SA. I could be wrong, though. It IS affected by Crits, I know that much.
Early on they could have diverged into leader skills like "Damage halved but attack twice", "All attacks ignore type", etc. but once they released the apes it was clear they're sticking to just a damage upgrade.
I wonder if that's why they're designing another Dragonball gacha game. Something to launch once this well is ran dry because even they realize they can't keep this up forever.
GhostTrick
Banned
Actually they could introduce big numbers with malus.
For exemple, instead of +120% for Super and +50% for Extreme, you could have +150% for Super and -30% for Extreme. They could also introduce that kind of bonus/malus for opposite type. Like +100% for AGL and -30% for TEQ.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
Keep checking the baba store every 30 min. I have 900 Gregory medals from doing that lol.
Give me your luuuuuuuuck!
Edit: single pull on ssj4 banner. Rainbow text, no transformation, screen breaks "thank you dragon balls" annnnnnd SSR PHY good but.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
The only real rainbow leads are arale and masked saiyan, the others are still by a type.
Nope, the counter does tremendous damage, this is always 350% and isn't affected by things that affect SA.
Human Trashcan
Banned
PSA if you're farming medals from the otherworld event just do it on Hard. Costs 15 stamina and I get 2 medals every single time. idk if Z-Hard drops more cards/training items or what but for medals, do Hard.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Zhard is guaranteed to drop one of the two items. Hard can drop nothing or can drop regular awakening medals.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Only once have I not had medals drop out of my like two dozen runs. Per point of stamina I have a hard time believing Hard isn't the most efficient if all you're after is medals.
BabyFaceKillah
Member
LR banner is coming soon.... and I used all my free stones fuck...
Used 50 of the reward stones for SSj4 Vegeta and got no SSR's, gonna save the rest for either the LR banner (if the rates for Majin Vegeta are good and SSj Gohan is on the banner) or get teh Elder Kai banner (don't feel the need to get it now since all of my good cards are already SA 10 and I still have the baba shop Kais to grind out)
So is the INT Gotenks that Dokkans from the SR INT Trunks worth a damn? I have one at SA7, was slowly building him up to Dokkan him, but now that I've got PHY Gotenks I'm just thinkin about sayin fuck it and feeding him to the PHY one. I also have the TEQ one that Dokkans from Gotenks, but I have him at SA10. Thinkin about feedin him too, but he seems like he may actually be useful for certain things because of his passive...
I've been doing Z-Hard and got 2 medals everytime. I tried Hard and didn't get them for the first time.
You owe me 15 stam
DarkHeartedKill
Member
I've been doing Z-Hard and got 2 medals everytime. I tried Hard and didn't get them for the first time.
You owe me 15 stam
Well they did say only once they didn't get a drop, so they weren't wrong
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
My shit drops on Hard tell me otherwise
Human Trashcan
Banned
Clearly, RNG gonna RNG. I was only trying to be helpful! I thought my sample size was large enough but hey y'all do what works for you
Reizo Ryuu
Member
zhard is 25 stamina
Neither of those suggestions actually do anything though. You hardly ever, if ever run heroes/villains on their counter teams as it is, since there's enough good subs to avoid that, so that's already covered, and there's literally no reason to run alternate types on a mono team that specifically nerfs said type. They need to start scaling content to their cards better, which means they need better easier to get cards, more f2p cards that are actually solid subs/alternate leads, more universal defensive mechanics for the enemies in the game, more general end game content worth playing, and more unique mechanics applied to general cards.
As it stands synergy is based entirely around links, which more often than not don't actually give/allow for playstyle variations, passives are super generic, and the most unique card synergies come from sa sealing+counters, and orb changing+nuking. Everything else is numbers and rng. The game is very base, but there's still a decent amount to work with, they just don't care to, or don't know how to work with what they have
Crimsonlink
Member
Got all the Elder Kai for Fruits. Now for Hercule Medals one which seems like its gonna take forever. Where the hell is GT part 2 for that 400 medals stage?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Do the first stage of part 3. You can get up to 400 medals, just have to be lucky with dice.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Yeah this is all true. They could make mechanics like defense lowering actually matter outside of the one Broly event, just to give 1 example. But as you say they don't really make you ever think about any mechanics besides optionally sealing or stunning, which isn't even necessary with the current strength of cards like SSJ4 Goku, not even getting into LRs.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
finally done with with all the damn otherworld medals, back to farming apples.
Crimsonlink
Member
You can't use SSB Goku with SSBKK on the same team so thats off the table.
I recommend Ultimate Gohan for the stun, SS3 GT Goku and SSB Vegeta.
Honestly its better to take out SSBKK Goku for SSB Goku and then add SSB Vegeta since all their attack links activate from that and deal a ton more damage.
donkey show
Member
I just finally did that with my PHY Gotenks and got him to SA 10 with all my leftover INT Trunks/TEQ Gotens. Those INT/TEQ Gotenks are okay if you're just starting or have a weak mono deck.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
I still need like 20 goddamn Pikkon medals ughhhhhh.
Also ya'll laughed at me for holding onto hope of dem top grossing stones. Tunrs out I was right. But I squandered em all on the Kaioken banner(still have one more GSSR pull left, but I got all the featured units so meh) & trying to get SSJ4 Vegeta which I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTTTTTTTTTTT
edit:
I have a bunch of those, but having to train them and DA em and shit is too much work for me lol.
Also ya'll laughed at me for holding onto hope of dem top grossing stones. Tunrs out I was right
. But I squandered em all on the Kaioken banner(still have one more GSSR pull left, but I got all the featured units so meh) & trying to get SSJ4 Vegeta which I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTTTTTTTTTTT edit:
I have a bunch of those, but having to train them and DA em and shit is too much work for me lol.
Like I said earlier, I'm also trying to decide whether to feed my TEQ one, but I have him at SA 10 so I'm a little more hesitant, and he seems slightly more useful. Although I still probably will never use him at this point. He seems like he'd actually be good for a SSJ3 Angel Goku team, but I don't want SSJ3 Angel Goku.
I'm going to try and be patient and see if I can just get more of the little guys from summons at some point. I need 6 more without feeding the TEQ Gotenks...
Human Trashcan
Banned
it's fun when you go to the subreddit on monday and click "hide memes" and it's like 3 threads.
the whole "optimal" debate happening again is pretty silly. It should be obvious that "optimal" teams are purely for theorycrafting. People can't seem to wrap their minds around the notion that theoretically optimal can be different from practically optimal, ie. using the best you have. People put too much weight on it anyway. As long as you have the 3 top units, SSJ4 Goku, SSj3 GT Goku and Gogeta in the same team, I don't think the other fillers are gonna matter THAT much as long as they're roughly comparable. But maybe I'm just saying that because no way in hell am I investing kais into these filler subs that are gonna do 1/10 of the damage of Goku anyway. So I'm happy to have an easily farmable Pikon that does good damage and debuffs super well, hell yeah he's going on my team.
the whole "optimal" debate happening again is pretty silly. It should be obvious that "optimal" teams are purely for theorycrafting. People can't seem to wrap their minds around the notion that theoretically optimal can be different from practically optimal, ie. using the best you have. People put too much weight on it anyway. As long as you have the 3 top units, SSJ4 Goku, SSj3 GT Goku and Gogeta in the same team, I don't think the other fillers are gonna matter THAT much as long as they're roughly comparable. But maybe I'm just saying that because no way in hell am I investing kais into these filler subs that are gonna do 1/10 of the damage of Goku anyway. So I'm happy to have an easily farmable Pikon that does good damage and debuffs super well, hell yeah he's going on my team.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah the other 3 on STR don't matter that much since they're just there for cleanup. Often times you won't even see them do anything lol.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
2 Elder Kai login bonus :O
edit: Okay I got dupes of: PHY Champa, PHY Pan, STR Majuub, INT Goku (Infinite Curiosity), TEQ Arale. Are any of these worth doing the dupe system for or should I just baba em?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Yes, 2 more coming later.
Smooth Operator
Member
Black Goku Rose was supposed to be the one getting the Kais in my SSJ4 team (4/4 dupe paths unlocked), but i'm kinda tempted to up the SA of my Godtenks instead, even if i'm not using him atm.
DarkHeartedKill
Member
...I have 15 of these mofos taking up space. BANDAI GIVE ME A GODDAMN GOOD CARD YOU CHEEKY CUNTS!