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Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen PC |OT| Wolves hunt in 4K
- Thread starter Grief.exe
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Not sure I agree with this. I get the Arisen being mute and not emotionally involved with others. But the actual NPCs and questlines could be more compelling. The game builds up your relationship with Quina, but the playoff is meh. Selene has a better quest, but its more in service of setting up lore, same deal with the Dragonforged.
I think Mercedes is the best example of writing because she feels like a living character with her own history, plans for the future, and relevance to the plot, in addition to the worldbuilding from the lore about her homeland. If more characters were like her, the postgame events would hit you in the gut that much more.
dragonzdogma
Member
Got me a new coat, lads.
Aww this brings back memories, your arisen has 3 pieces of cloths my pawn use to wear.
Is that Ur dragon stuff there or BBI, I cant recall?
Lanrutcon
Member
The hands are BBI, the coat is Ur Dragon, rest are normal bits from the mainland that I like.
LucidMomentum
Member
Is this the same grace period, or is this like generation 24/25 now?
Jeez, I'm still at Deny Salvation and haven't even gotten too far due to wrapping up some quests / fashion's dogma.
Shame I don't really like the look of a lot of BBI sets, despite their stats.
Anyways, what builds do y'all like for mystic knight?
I usually go Flame Riposte, Blessed Trance, and Holy Furor / Abyssal Anguish, then Great Cannon, Ruinous Sigil, and Full Moon Slash.
I usually swap out elements based on what my Pawns have in terms of buffs.
I may swap out FMS with Downcrack, Stone Grove / Forest, Sky Rapture, or Bust Strike depending on how I feel moveset wise.
There's just too many options. Any good skills from other vocations I should look into for my MK? I only have fighter / MK ones at the moment.
Moral Panic
Member
Thanks.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Abysmal coat, Abysmal boots, Abysmal bracers, and Dwells-In-Light x 2.
Psychoward
Banned
Arc of Deliverance against the legs or tail still takes out about half a bar.
dragonzdogma
Member
controversial questions for you guys
Would you had bought Dragons dogma if it had been completely offline? (no pawn sharing, no asynchronous Ur dragon) no online system period.
Would you had bought Dragons dogma if it had been completely offline? (no pawn sharing, no asynchronous Ur dragon) no online system period.
Lanrutcon
Member
My advice was general advice
I'm sure something like Maelstrom also does good damage regardless of where it hits.Emperor_Uriel
Member
Absolutely. I barely interact with the online stuff at all after getting the Autonomy augment for solo play each playthrough.
dragonzdogma
Member
What a bad ass, do you stream when you play, if you do please let me know so I can sub.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I guess they could've been, but they don't have to be, that mercedes felt like a living character to you is good I guess, but it doesn't really matter to the arisen, they still just help out (or don't) and then bounces.
I've heard people say the same thing about the night's champion or madeleine, so I don't think the characters are specifically uncompelling, they just aren't written in a way where every one of them has a big impactful moment.
In the end they are just living the life they are living, not something fine tuned for maximum player engagement; it's ok to not like the characters.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Honestly even Mercedes is inconsequential to you as the Arisen. The only reason you're even interacting with her is because the game sort of forces you to. If you had complete freedom you could ignore everyone and head straight to Grigori to get your heart back. You the Arisen are inconsequential to these people much like them to you. You're not some grand savior or anything, you losing your heart is your own issue and the rest of the world doesn't care nor are they obligated to since it doesn't affect them.
Contrast this to something like Mass Effect where you're literally Space-Jesus and the numerous teammates you meet who are crucial to your Jesusness. If you don't stop the Reapers the known universe is doomed.
In Dragon's Dogma if you fail to kill Grigori then another Arisen will be chosen and the cycle and everyone's life goes on, you died and no one will mourn you or care, because you ultimately don't matter.
As such the sidequests and how the NPCs react to you don't really matter.
LucidMomentum
Member
Yeah they're more like little side stories where you drop in on the lives of people around Gransys / Grand Soren.
Also, to whoever rented my pawn Aria and got me 30K rift crystals a few days ago: thanks! I may be able to set her pawn inclination up right now with all those riftbucks.
If anyone is looking for a lvl 38-40 Ranger with decent gear and moves, Aria is your best bet!
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Chronomancer
The way this game handles quests is genuinely stupid. I looked at the wiki just out of curiosity - I seem to have missed 60-70% of the sidequests even though I took my time wandering around most of the areas, but it seems I was always just a step too far ahead in the main quest line. No wonder the whole game seemed rushed and disjointed, my character having no real connection to any of the NPCs.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I think, you missed the last few pages...
Took out Damian V2 on hard mode. With the recommended Conqueror's Periapt & Blast Arrows strategy.
Feels cheap man.
Actually, feels really expensive - but not particularly fun or challenging. At least I got loot! I've been trying to get a LV2/3 short bow, but they just won't drop.
Got a LV3 long bow instead. Using ranger... and I gotta say, arrows without blast arrows just feel weak and pathetic. Especially on more demanding opponents. Guess arrow users are doomed to carry around stacks and stacks of blast arrows in BBI for any reasonably tough enemy.
... and of course, when you do use them, shit's too easy.
I guess that's their way of putting legit cheats in the game... you want easy mode, then do this mundane and trivial stuff that slows down the game for you!
Feels cheap man.
Actually, feels really expensive - but not particularly fun or challenging. At least I got loot! I've been trying to get a LV2/3 short bow, but they just won't drop.
Got a LV3 long bow instead. Using ranger... and I gotta say, arrows without blast arrows just feel weak and pathetic. Especially on more demanding opponents. Guess arrow users are doomed to carry around stacks and stacks of blast arrows in BBI for any reasonably tough enemy.
... and of course, when you do use them, shit's too easy.
I guess that's their way of putting legit cheats in the game... you want easy mode, then do this mundane and trivial stuff that slows down the game for you!
Coriolanus
Banned
Iirc part of the problem with ranger is that their main stat gain is stamina, whereas arrow damage depends on strength. As such, if you level an assassin and change to ranger? that damn longbow tears daimon apart even without blast arrows. Pop some periapts and you can legit clear daimon p2 twice with a single weal.
Tbh daimon is pretty much a 1-2 hit ko boss, so making it a dps rush battle aint exactly unfair. Fuck that explosive immolate of his.
Coriolanus
Banned
Cast fulmination (since aint no way you gon carry around dark affinity for bbi)
Sit under him
wait
ta-da
this exact same strategy also works to cheese archydra. Will lop off heads nonstop.
Can also try with gicel, but that takes, like, more than two button presses.
his cursed dragon has no crystal, so holy focused bolt brings it down ridiculously fast.
Moral Panic
Member
What do I do in post-game? Just BBI or is there an end boss for Everfall?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Maelstrom is actually dark element, so you could just use that after popping a jewel of silence/casting silentium.
You finish the game, load your cleared save and go do BBI.
Alright then, silencing him and then fulmination/maelstrom it is.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Fuuuu!
Got gifted a BBI lvl 3 weapon. Went and got it purified and it was a longbow that was a huge upgrade over what I had. My controller has a short in it so sometimes it spazzes out....and it did when I pressed start to save and quit so instead it quit without exiting.
Which means I lost the item lol...fuck.
Got gifted a BBI lvl 3 weapon. Went and got it purified and it was a longbow that was a huge upgrade over what I had. My controller has a short in it so sometimes it spazzes out....and it did when I pressed start to save and quit so instead it quit without exiting.
Which means I lost the item lol...fuck.
dragonzdogma
Member
wait ,wait he is asking is there is more to do in the ever fall after he beat the dragon,there is still more items enemies to be fought and the "true ending" to be discovered if he goes to the ever fall.
Psychoward
Banned
Is there any reason to not do BBI the first playthrough?
Also how does gear work in ng+? Does it get boosted again making end game gear in pt1 useless or does the gear have the exact same stats in each pt?
Also how does gear work in ng+? Does it get boosted again making end game gear in pt1 useless or does the gear have the exact same stats in each pt?
Coriolanus
Banned
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Didn't the game save after you got the item? It should've. Checkpoint save
Oh yeah, he should go through the everfall.
Because it assumes you've finished the game at least once, it isn't really meant for your first playthrough.
Yep, also Fighter/Warrior Strengh augments are useful. I think you get around 30% more strenght with both?
I should really get them for my Ranger but I'm too lazy....
Psychoward
Banned
Assumes how? Story wise?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
yes.
Coriolanus
Banned
*reads up on deathly arrow*
*realizes that its damage is multiplied if timed properly*
*finds an eliminator to test it*
BANG
*50% of its health disappears, is sent flying*
WELL THEN!
That is indeed correct.
A high str ranger is so broken im pretty close to just removing opportunism and the other climbing skills. No point. Tenfold all day erryday
*realizes that its damage is multiplied if timed properly*
*finds an eliminator to test it*
BANG
*50% of its health disappears, is sent flying*
WELL THEN!
That is indeed correct.
A high str ranger is so broken im pretty close to just removing opportunism and the other climbing skills. No point. Tenfold all day erryday
LucidMomentum
Member
I feel the same way. Waiting for post game to do all the optimization stuff.
Don't really need them with skull splitter. If anyone does get close enough, you can just use that and go to town.
Yes. It's worth playing through to the end of Dragon's Dogma proper (Dragon, Everfall, final boss and ending) before starting Dark Arisen/BBI to experience the story as intended.
Psychoward
Banned
Noooo, that sucks. So then I should just finish up everfall, get to gran soren in pt2 and then do bbi?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
No, you load your save, go to the encampment to get your pawn and then you just go back to cassardis, takes like 5 minutes tops.
Game saves when you rest to get your gifts so you should still have the cursed item? Purify it again and it should give you the same longbow, there are only 2 other items it could give you depending on your vocation.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Reizo Ryuu
Member
shouldn't it then be still in limbo? Did you try resting again?
Psychoward
Banned
okay so the best way to play then would be
Main Quest PT1 -> Everfall PT1 -> BBI PT2 -> Main Quest PT2 -> Everfall PT2
sound right?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
yes, and remember to switch the game to offline mode before heading towards the end the second time.
Lol, yeah once you are lying on the ground it's pretty much over unless one of them pretty much pushes you by mistake.
Psychoward
Banned
Won't skipping bbi my first time make me miss out on a ton of experience though?