Gamer_By_Proxy
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And I am against both. Thanks for catching up.
I doubt there’s any good looking teenage girls that haven’t been hit on by creeps so yes I expect it and I’d teach them how to deal with it. I’m being a realist, not excusing it.
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DrDisrespect permanently banned from Twitch [Now Streaming on YouTube]
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I doubt there’s any good looking teenage girls that haven’t been hit on by creeps so yes I expect it and I’d teach them how to deal with it. I’m being a realist, not excusing it.
Astray
Member
He didn't win, they both settled out of civil court, whatever happened didn't cross the desk of a law enforcement officer yet.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
It was a settlement both parties agreed upon so you are correct this was not decided in a court of law plus it was a civil case were burden of proof is much less needed to have an outcome
What ‘court of law’?
Pulling the ‘virtue signaling’ card over sexting a minor is quite the thing indeed.
People and brands don’t want to be associated with someone who’s sexting a minor. Not so hard to understand why.
Maybe the part where he admits to having behaved inappropriately?
Yeah. He specifically says he never went through any criminal proceedings and instead he went through arbitration on a civil dispute.
Thyuda
Member
Twitch payed his contract in full. Twitch. With Amazon lawyer money.
If they had ANYTHING criminal, they would've used it.
Behaving inappropriately doesn't warrant this cicle jerk internet reaction. I'm sorry, it simply doesn't.
Eotheod
Member
You would be surprised at the capability of filter tools, especially considering the DM's are most likely converted to plain text. Parsing for particular words isn't hard, and there are a significant amount of source dictionaries to utilise.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Got banned on tinder for my sugar daddy language
Kings Field
Member
Astray
Member
If it's indeed arbitration then it's even worse for his defense force.
Arbitration is explicitly made to find equitable settlements, it isn't made to have a ruling on the morality of whatever happened there..
Killjoy-NL
Member
Getting banned on Tinder is impressive.
SCB3
Member
The thing is without seeing what he messaged her, he may not even been soliciting her either, like I said earlier it may be a case of banter and him saying something like "suck my dick" to her which is inapproipaite of course, but may not the sexual context that people seem to be angling for
Again, context here is key, no one would like to be falsly accused so this is why evidence is important
He did something shitty, which made Twitch let him go. He didn’t eventually meet up for sex, so didn’t commit anything illegal.
People are allowed to disassociate themselves from you if you do odious shit that otherwise isn’t a crime in itself.
The Twitch settlement doesn’t exonerate him one bit. Without a criminal conviction, Twitch probably had to pay for early termination.
Brands he worked with and the Studio he co-founded severed ties with him before the internet frenzy kicked off in earnest, and you’re here insisting it’s all just some ‘woke internet mob’ and ‘cancel culture’.
Thyuda
Member
I'm not insisting in anything, I'm being neutral and I judge on what is known. You, on the other hand, are not. And if nothing criminal happened, I don't care. I seriously don't.
And there are countless examples of exactly this happening to innocent people. Look at Depp, Roiland, Kachelmann in Germany, countless cases.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I use bumble now since they respect my freedom to sugar
VAVA Mk2
Member
Twitch sucked since about 2016 or 2017 onwards. Once it got away from just gaming it became lame. Twitch needs to again offshoot a service that is GAMING only (yes, I know it was an offshoot of Justin.tv) and stay that way.
Topher
Gold Member
Behaving inappropriately with a minor certainly does. No, nothing criminal, but still extremely bad behavior. Remember, Twitch paid him to simply go away.
Thyuda
Member
Twitch payed him because they had to.
StueyDuck
Member
The fact that you have to say "likely" means there is still personal assumptions.
I'm sorry but a single weirdly worded legal statement is not enough to go on. Not for us at least.
Remember that neither twitch accuser or the victim here has come out to say what happened, just to again mention "messaging inappropriate messages to a minor"
If we had multiple accounts of "he sent his dick to person" or he said/she said type accusations then we could weigh up who we do and don't believe but right now it's a singular statement and a lot of people seem to be reading what they want to read from it.
As always ill wait for the full story to come out
Topher
Gold Member
Yes, they had to fulfill the contract. But they also banned him from Twitch. That's what paying him to "go away" is.
Thyuda
Member
No, that's what you think it is.
Topher
Gold Member
Enlighten me. Why did they ban him from Twitch?
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CityHunter1981
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Look the guy is shit. He admitted he texted a minor and now he is saying it was just fun and he never took it serious. Who is believing that. Who is sexting minors just for fun? And even in the unlikely event that he was not serious, even the sexting is already bad enough.
Eotheod
Member
Probably because you didn't pay enough money to them rather than the daddy talk.
You do know that in some countries sexting a minor would be considered sexual misconduct or possibly sexual abuse. Depends on the judge/evidence but it most certainly isn't a "nothingburger" like many are trying to play at. I'm speaking in terms of a general though of that conduct, not of any particular person.
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Thyuda
Member
That's the point, isn't it?
We don't know. And that's all there is. Everything else is speculation.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Its true they don't take kindly to offering them Tesco vouchers
Astray
Member
We still don't know the extent of the conversations, the personal info of the other side or whatever those conversations led to. We only have his word, which imo, is very untrustworthy given how many times he vacilitated already.
But the way he's trying very hard to minimize it kinda tells us there's something he needs to be minimized.
You speak with extreme confidence about facts you clearly don't have. That won't end badly I'm very sure.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I know people did their own investigations and fired him and his friends are cutting him loose left and right
And the wording used to fire him was strong
People can stay in his corner if they like but personally I wouldn't support anything he is linked to
StueyDuck
Member
and people did the same to Johnny Depp, Disney axed him from Pirates even, with the whole Amber Heard debacle.
i think not having any strong opinion one way or another is what we all should do until more of the truth comes out
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Astray
Member
The game dev studio of all companies cutting him off was a sure-fire sign for me that there was something.
They had every incentive to stick by him considering their game's nature and how it's been marketed, and they not only cut the cord, but they cut it very decisively.
Good for you. But some other people do care. And it’s weird for you lot to heckle those who care.
I followed the Depp case religiously. I celebrated his victory.
At no time did Depp write up a long tweet claiming he ‘made a mistake’ and did something inappropriate to his wife.
Topher
Gold Member
We do know. Inappropriate behavior with a minor led to his being banned by Twitch.
Do people genuinely believe that if there was anything criminal within the those conversation logs that Twitch as a company would turn a blind eye and not inform authorities? I just honestly don’t see that as a possibility. Especially considering that he sued them for a decision they made based on that said conversation.
The conversation is most likely damning on the surface, due to the inappropriate nature but probably does not step outside the boundaries of the law. It’s incomprehensible to me that people sat on this information for years knowing that he is a predator. He most likely isn’t, but will be labelled one regardless now.
"We take appropriate action when we have evidence that a streamer has acted in violation of our Community Guidelines or Terms of Service"
The conversation is most likely damning on the surface, due to the inappropriate nature but probably does not step outside the boundaries of the law. It’s incomprehensible to me that people sat on this information for years knowing that he is a predator. He most likely isn’t, but will be labelled one regardless now.
There is a clip of Doc years back explaining why he is suing them. We get the gist of it from that clip. The contract is educated speculation because Twitch use to dish out massive contracts to there biggest streamers, this was during the time some of them were being headhunted by Mixer. He specifically said that he was suing for financial losses, and the damaged networking, sponsorship reputation/losses due to the ban itself.
Twitch’s only statement when they banned him:
"We take appropriate action when we have evidence that a streamer has acted in violation of our Community Guidelines or Terms of Service"
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Thing is everyone wants to compare Depp and Avellone and countless others but remind me please when any of them made a statement saying they kind of admitted to doing what was said?
I think all of those people yelled at every chance they got they were innocent no?
Plus I am not telling everyone what we should all do or how we should all feel so people need to stop telling others who they should feel as well, just my 2 cents
Topher
Gold Member
yeah, this is nothing like the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard case.
Thyuda
Member
So show me. Not your interpretation, concrete proof.
StueyDuck
Member
but those countless others exist, meaning one shouldn't jump to any conclusion.
I'm not telling anyone who they support, the opposite actually, no one should be supported, we need the full story.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Yeah that was huge. This is a minor one
Apparently the details of the settlement are NDAed. But two ex-employees of Twitch have come forward to claim they’re privy to the details and they paint an extremely unflattering picture of the dude’s actions.
We don’t know how true these claims are, but it’s inaccurate to paint a picture as if these claims don’t exist.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
That's literally what former Twitch employees have stated and Dr Disrespect himself has verified.
Topher
Gold Member
Seriously?
"Everyone has been wanting to know why I was banned from twitch, but for reasons outside of my control, I was not allowed to say anything for the last several years. Now that two former twitch employees have publicly disclosed the accusations, I can now tell you my side of the story regarding the ban.
Were there twitch whisper messages with an individual minor back in 2017? The answer is yes. Were there real intentions behind these messages, the answer is absolutely not. These were casual, mutual conversations that sometimes leaned too much in the direction of being inappropriate, but nothing more. Nothing illegal happened, no pictures were shared, no crimes were committed, I never even met the individual. I went through a lengthy arbitration regarding a civil dispute with twitch and that case was resolved by a settlement. Let me be clear, it was not a criminal case against me and no criminal charges have ever been brought against me."
Thyuda
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Again didn't those countless others say at every turn they were innocent?
Doc at first tried spinning it he didn't do anything wrong now he is admitting to something
Thyuda
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Astray
Member
Twitch is not a mandated reporter. They have no obligation to report Doc to the authorities, and that suited them fine because they had every incentive to avoid drama while cutting him loose.
They're not good people either.
Are Twitch and its (ex)employees reliable sources to you or not? We all know that even if Twitch says anything it you will disregard it if it doesn't serve your agenda.
The constant moving of goal posts makes you look even more ridiculous.
Topher
Gold Member
Eh....I can't take you seriously. Believe whatever it is you need to believe my man.