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[Thyuda]

Eh....I can't take you seriously. Believe whatever it is you need to believe my man.

Nice projecting, but yeah, you're right, we're done.

Thanks for not providing a single correct answer. Have fun with your witch hunt, mate.

 

[Bernardougf]

Court of law? I thought this was handled internally with Twitch as there was no crime committed.

Its was a lawsuit he moved against twich for been terminated wrongly..... here in my country every lawsuit goes trough the court and judge even if its settled... maybe things are different were he leaves. If thats the case Im can easily retract my comment

 

[StueyDuck]

Again didn't those countless others say at every turn they were innocent?

Doc at first tried spinning it he didn't do anything wrong now he is admitting to something

All cases are different.

I'll personally wait for the full story.

 

[Topher]

Its was a lawsuit he moved against twich for been terminated wrongly..... here in my country every lawsuit goes trough the court and judge even if its settled... maybe things are different were he leaves. If thats the case Im can easily retract my comment

Yeah, I just posted the tweet again and while rereading it says it went through arbitration. In the US, that is not in a court. Basically, two sides settling a dispute with a mediator.

 

[near]

Twitch is not a mandated reporter. They have no obligation to report Doc to the authorities, and that suited them fine because they had every incentive to avoid drama while cutting him loose.

They're not good people either.

But they do comply with data requests from authorities. So it’s absurd that if the content of that conversation was alarming, that no one who was privy to it, informed authorities.

 

[Three]

The fact that you have to say "likely" means there is still personal assumptions.

I'm sorry but a single weirdly worded legal statement is not enough to go on. Not for us at least.

I would love to hear what you believe is the context of these inappropriate conversations with a minor are and what possible messages were sent "without intentions".
Look, it's not difficult to at least pick up the context of the current situation. To deny it is burying your head in the sand.

 

[Thyuda]

I would love to hear what you believe is the context of these inappropriate conversations with a minor are and what possible messages were sent without intention.
Look, it's not difficult to at least pick up the context of the current situation. To deny it is burying your head in the sand.

People not taking part in the witch hunt and refraining from speculation = denying it and burying head in sand.

Okay.

 

[StueyDuck]

i would love to hear what you believe is the context of these inappropriate conversations with a minor are and what possible messages were sent without intention.
Look, it's not difficult to pick up the context of the current situation. To deny it is burying your head in the sand.

I don't believe anything.

Neither should you. Take your personal bias out of the situation. Right now there is nothing more than the words "inappropriate messages". To interpret that in any particular way and not as a general statement would be purely your own speculation

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

All cases are different.

I'll personally wait for the full story.

We may never get the full story especially with a minor being involved

But you wont answer my question that in all those cases did the accused not always proclaim they were innocent and we have Doc admitting to something inappropriate?

I will give you we don't know what it is but the people investigating deemed it bad enough to cut him loose and even the head of the studio that Doc help founded had very strong words



Personally I have heard enough to at the very least deem him a creep and will hold judgement yet to label a pedo

 

[Three]

I don't believe anything.

Neither should you. Take your personal bias out of the situation. Right now there is nothing more than the words "inappropriate messages". To interpret that in any particular and not as a general statement would be purely your own speculation

What bias? So explain what you believe is the subject matter of inappropriate messages to a minor in this situation. Can you come up with an even slightly plausible thing that would kick off all this?

 

[SF Kosmo]

Is 16 not the age on consent in the US?, not that they did anything sexual anyway.

It's 18 in most states, but how would the age of consent laws in any particular spot make him any less of a groomer pedo?

Would you be comfortable fucking a girl that young or even younger as long as the law said it was okay where you are at the time? There are people who fly to Cambodia and Thailand for that reason, and they're still pedos...

 

[Bernardougf]

Yeah, I just posted the tweet again and while rereading it says it went through arbitration. In the US, that is not in a court. Basically, two sides settling a dispute with a mediator.

Anyway you have to officially file a lawsuit right? And provide evidence? And These will go on the record even if its settled outside of court... dont think anyone would do that and provide avidence against thenselfs of typical sexting or even worse... because it can always end in the court if no agreement is maid. Anyway .. I dont participate in any online lynch mobs, based on anything, you never know when this mob will eventually turn against you for whatever reason they feel like.

 

[StueyDuck]

We may never get the full story especially with a minor being involved

But you wont answer my question that in all those cases did the accused not always proclaim they were innocent and we have Doc admitting to something inappropriate?

I will give you we don't know what it is but the people investigating deemed it bad enough to cut him loose and even the head of the studio that Doc help founded had very strong words



Personally I have heard enough to at the very least deem him a creep and will hold judgement yet to label a pedo

I mean Disney did exactly that to Depp. They instantly removed him from their movies and said they will not work with him because of his transgressions.

But again I don't need to answer anything, no one should. We just don't have any solid information to make any solid conclusion one way or another.

The logical thing to do here is to let the situation play out and see what more information comes out.

 

[Astray]

Twitch hasn't made an official statement.

Keep reaching.

I think the guy who is losing his shit and denying a literal confession is the one reaching, but to each their own.

Its was a lawsuit he moved against twich for been terminated wrongly..... here in my country every lawsuit goes trough the court and judge even if its settled... maybe things are different were he leaves. If thats the case Im can easily retract my comment

It went through an arbitrator (likely because of an arbitration clause in his contract), there is no evidence so far that it went to any kind of court or there would be court records.

He said he was suing them on stream (and even tried to establish damages on-stream), but as far as I know, there was no news of it actually reaching a courthouse.

Dr Disrespect is 'suing the fuck out of' Twitch

"A lot of people ask, do you know the reason—I do know the reason why now."

www.pcgamer.com

But they do comply with data requests from authorities. So it’s absurd that if the content of that conversation was alarming, that no one who was privy to it, informed authorities.

They don't have to comply with requests they didn't receive (they can also not comply with data requests unless a warrant is attached, but that's another story).

I do agree with you that it's sus af that they didn't report this. Between both Twitch and Doc getting what they want out of that, someone got screwed for sure and we will likely be hearing from them one way or another.

 

[StueyDuck]

What bias? So explain what you believe is the subject matter of inappropriate messages to a minor is in this situation. Can you come up with an even slightly plausible thing that would kick off all this?

I don't need to come up with anything.

The fact you are asking me to explain what happened in a situation is pretty telling that their is personal bias.

I can't tell you anything, I am neither twitch, Dr disrespect or the victim.

There is only speculation right now.

 

[Thyuda]

I think the guy who is losing his shit and denying a literal confession is the one reaching, but to each their own.


It went through an arbitrator (likely because of an arbitration clause in his contract), there is no evidence so far that it went to any kind of court or there would be court records.

He said he was suing them on stream (and even tried to establish damages on-stream), but as far as I know, there was no news of it actually reaching a courthouse.

Dr Disrespect is 'suing the fuck out of' Twitch

"A lot of people ask, do you know the reason—I do know the reason why now."

www.pcgamer.com

They don't have to comply with requests they didn't receive (they can also not comply with data requests unless a warrant is attached, but that's another story).

I do agree with you that it's sus af that they didn't report this. Between both Twitch and Doc getting what they want out of that, someone got screwed for sure and we will likely be hearing from them one way or another.

What did he confess to?

Write some inapproriate messages to a minor, with absolutely nothing criminal about it?

Oh no, let's burn him at the stake.

 

[SF Kosmo]

What did he confess to?

Write some inapproriate messages to a minor, with absolutely nothing criminal about it?

Oh no, let's burn him at the stake.

Man, the hills people wanna die on because they find someone entertaining...

He corroborated the accusations. He might not have phrased it as damningly as those accusing him, but he made it 100% certain that those people weren't making it up...

 

[Three]

I don't need to come up with anything.

The fact you are asking me to explain what happened in a situation is pretty telling that their is personal bias.

I can't tell you anything, I am neither twitch, Dr disrespect or the victim.

There is only speculation right now.

i.e you're burying your head in the sand. I have no bias in this situation. I don't know dr disrespect and I actually wish him the best but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend I don't know the context of the current situation or messages.

 

[Ozriel]

But they do comply with data requests from authorities. So it’s absurd that if the content of that conversation was alarming, that no one who was privy to it, informed authorities.

Because no crime was actually committed, as they hadn’t met - despite the dude allegedly arranging for a meetup - and no nude pics that could have gotten him in the slammer for child porn.

They’ve cut ties with him because his behavior was reprehensible. You don’t need to inform the authorities about that.

 

[StueyDuck]

i.e you're burying your head in the sand. I have no bias in this situation. I don't know dr disrespect and I actually wish him the best but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend I don't know the context of the current situation or messages.

So either I condemn him to hell or I'm burying my head in the sand

Sure no personal bias over here.

I'm sorry that you want me to be emotional over this, I just am not, both twitch and influencers are shit. Instead putting my own personal speculations to the matter I'm just gonna wait for the inevitable truth to come out.

Stop acting like this whole situation is purely one thing. It's a series of events and each one has its questions.

Why did twitch allow minors to message adults, did the victim come forward or did twitch find the messages, why did twitch settle out of court, why did the investigation find no wrong doing, why did these twitch employees wait this long to speak up, why have we still not heard anything from the victim themselves, why does Dr disrespect even make a statement when he didn't have to.

I'm sorry but you've read one sentence in a case of so many unknowns and have decided you know absolutely everything .

You forget that a few weeks ago it was twitchs fault according to everyone.

So yes... let's just wait

 

[Killjoy-NL]

What did he confess to?

Write some inapproriate messages to a minor, with absolutely nothing criminal about it?

Oh no, let's burn him at the stake.

Dude,

 

[Bernardougf]

I think the guy who is losing his shit and denying a literal confession is the one reaching, but to each their own.


It went through an arbitrator (likely because of an arbitration clause in his contract), there is no evidence so far that it went to any kind of court or there would be court records.

He said he was suing them on stream (and even tried to establish damages on-stream), but as far as I know, there was no news of it actually reaching a courthouse.

Dr Disrespect is 'suing the fuck out of' Twitch

"A lot of people ask, do you know the reason—I do know the reason why now."

www.pcgamer.com

They don't have to comply with requests they didn't receive (they can also not comply with data requests unless a warrant is attached, but that's another story).

I do agree with you that it's sus af that they didn't report this. Between both Twitch and Doc getting what they want out of that, someone got screwed for sure and we will likely be hearing from them one way or another.

As I said things are different from country to country.. in mine even arbitration is filed to a public forum of law and the arbitrator is a representative of the judge... if the settlement is not maid is automatically sended to the judge for decision and if necessary trial.

 

[Topher]

Anyway you have to officially file a lawsuit right? And provide evidence? And These will go on the record even if its settled outside of court... dont think anyone would do that and provide avidence against thenselfs of typical sexting or even worse... because it can always end in the court if no agreement is maid. Anyway .. I dont participate in any online lynch mobs, based on anything, you never know when this mob will eventually turn against you for whatever reason they feel like.

No, there is no lawsuit filed. The entire purpose of arbitration in the US is to not involve the courts.

I'm not part of a mob here either. I going by entirely what DrD has said himself.

 

[Bernardougf]

No, there is no lawsuit filed. The entire purpose of arbitration in the US is to not involve the courts.

I'm not part of a mob here either. I going by entirely what DrD has said himself.

Yeah no such things exist here outside of the law system... everything must be official and pass trough the justice forums even if the judge never really touches the case.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

What did he confess to?

Write some inapproriate messages to a minor, with absolutely nothing criminal about it?

Oh no, let's burn him at the stake.

hey guyz all he admitted too was inappropriate chats to a minor like what the fuck bros who hasn’t rizzed up a little kid online amirite

 

[phant0m]

hey guyz all he admitted too was inappropriate chats to a minor like what the fuck bros who hasn’t rizzed up a little kid online amirite

I will never understand why people Stan for this tool. Or any streamer tbh

 

[Arsic]

hey guyz all he admitted too was inappropriate chats to a minor like what the fuck bros who hasn’t rizzed up a little kid online amirite

I’ll say this again for example.

If this minor messages him asking him “What are you up to?” And he responds with “Taking an acidic diarrhea shit. Yayayayaya.” That’s inappropriate.

However if he responded with “I’m beating my meat thinking about you.” Then that’s a whole different level of inappropriate.

It’s also key to know this messaging feature was for 18+ only users, and if he never knew their age during messaging, then it’s far less of an issue due to ignorance.

Facts we all need asap:
-How old and did he know the age?
-What did he say that’s inappropriate?

Once those things come out we can burn him at the stake.

 

[Von Hugh]

Write some inapproriate messages to a minor, with absolutely nothing criminal about it?

 

[Thyuda]

I’ll say this again for example.

If this minor messages him asking him “What are you up to?” And he responds with “Taking an acidic diarrhea shit. Yayayayaya.” That’s inappropriate.

However if he responded with “I’m beating my meat thinking about you.” Then that’s a whole different level of inappropriate.

It’s also key to know this messaging feature was for 18+ only users, and if he never knew their age during messaging, then it’s far less of an issue due to ignorance.

Facts we all need asap:
-How old and did he know the age?
-What did he say that’s inappropriate?

Once those things come out we can burn him at the stake.

People in here actively don't want to understand this.

This is what drama addiction looks like.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I’ll say this again for example.

If this minor messages him asking him “What are you up to?” And he responds with “Taking an acidic diarrhea shit. Yayayayaya.” That’s inappropriate.

However if he responded with “I’m beating my meat thinking about you.” Then that’s a whole different level of inappropriate.

It’s also key to know this messaging feature was for 18+ only users, and if he never knew their age during messaging, then it’s far less of an issue due to ignorance.

Facts we all need asap:
-How old and did he know the age?
-What did he say that’s inappropriate?

Once those things come out we can burn him at the stake.

I totally see Twitch banning him and the studio he co-founded cutting all ties with him while they are currently making a game that kind of NEEDS him to associated with it all because he told some kid he had diarrhea. Checks out.

 

[StueyDuck]

Facts we all need asap:
-How old and did he know the age?
-What did he say that’s inappropriate?

Once those things come out we can burn him at the stake.

1000% this

 

[Killjoy-NL]

People in here actively don't want to understand this.

This is what drama addiction looks like.

People understand it alright.

But it's a very slippery slope and if it turns out he did make something like sexual advances towards a minor (even if just a 'joke') you went pretty out of your way to defend the behavior of a pedophile.

 

[Bernardougf]

No, there is no lawsuit filed. The entire purpose of arbitration in the US is to not involve the courts.

I'm not part of a mob here either. I going by entirely what DrD has said himself.

Sorry for the double reply.. but it is strange anyway.. if twitch found something damming enough to ban him or whatver ... why settle in a arbitration ? They are in the right by their polices and probably by the law if he was doing something illegal .. why take the L and pay him whatever they did. Why not .. "welp take this to court and show this to everyone ... lets go your pedo"

Anyway ... time for wait and see what this develops into.

 

[Three]

So either I condemn him to hell or I'm burying my head in the sand

Sure no personal bias over here.

What are you talking about? What personal bias do I have over somebody I don't watch nor know? I'm saying you're burying your head about the context of these inappropriate messages. That's all. You can't even come up with a possible alternative context and just decide that you know nothing at all about anything. ie you're burying your head in the sand regarding the context of this shitstorm.

I'm sorry that you want me to be emotional over this, I just am not, both twitch and influencers are shit. Instead putting my own personal speculations to the matter I'm just gonna wait for the inevitable truth to come out.

Who's asking you to be emotional? You just seem to be getting emotional with this "bias" thing.

Stop acting like this whole situation is purely one thing. It's a series of events and each one has its questions.

Why did twitch allow minors to message adults, did the victim come forward or did twitch find the messages, why did twitch settle out of court, why did the investigation find no wrong doing, why did these twitch employees wait this long to speak up, why have we still not heard anything from the victim themselves, why does Dr disrespect even make a statement when he didn't have to.

What has all this got to do with the context Dr Disrespect was referring to when addressing this controversy?

I'm sorry but you've read one sentence in a case of so many unknowns and have decided you know absolutely everything .

You forget that a few weeks ago it was twitchs fault according to everyone.

So yes... let's just wait

Sure, let's wait for possibly another message that apparently means "nothing because we are assuming", but it wasn't twitches fault according to "everybody". We waited for a message and now you're saying you don't even know what the context of the message is. Cool but those who understood the context of 'inappropriate messages' aren't 'bias' just because you're deciding you know nothing about anything.

 

[Thyuda]

People understand it alright.

But it's a very slippery slope and if it turns out he did make something like sexual advances towards a minor (even if just a 'joke') you went pretty out of your way to defend the behavior of a pedophile.

Also something that has only happened in your head.

I defended his right to be presumed innocent.

And nothing but.

 

[proandrad]

Only thing we know for sure is the dude is an idiot. A person who spends this much time on the internet should know better. Way to fumble your streamer easy mode millionaire bag, time to get a regular job like the rest of us.

 

[FUBARx89]

Is grooming not a crime in the USA? Afaik he would of been guilty of grooming in UK as soon as he tried to arrange a meet up at Twitch con (if that's true)

Lots of comparisons to Depp in here, which aren't right. Depp categorically denied everything. He didn't put out 2 terrible denials. Then go "well.....actually I am kinda guilty of what people are saying" while leaving out the key information that's kinda important.

Disrespect has done that though and looked shitty since it first started coming out.

I'm sure more will come out, but from where I sit, it doesn't look good for him really.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Also something that has only happened in your head.

I defended his right to be presumed innocent.

And nothing but.

Just sayin'.

There's a reason why most artists do not comment on the Kendrick and Drake beef.
It's not much different from this.

 

[near]

Because no crime was actually committed, as they hadn’t met - despite the dude allegedly arranging for a meetup - and no nude pics that could have gotten him in the slammer for child porn.

They’ve cut ties with him because his behavior was reprehensible. You don’t need to inform the authorities about that.

I also share this opinion. Given what we know, there is no reason to believe an actual crime was committed. Which is essentially the point I was making by highlighting the fact that those conversation logs have already been exposed to many people, including adjacent court proceedings.

 

[StueyDuck]

What are you talking about? What personal bias do I have over somebody I don't watch nor know? I'm saying you're burying your head about the context of these inappropriate messages. That's all. You can't even come up with a possible alternative context and just decide that you know nothing at all about anything. ie you're burying your head in the sand regarding the context of this shitstorm.

Who's asking you to be emotional? You just seem to be getting emotional with this "bias" thing.

What has all this got to do with the context Dr Disrespect was referring to when addressing this controversy?

Sure,let's wait for possibly nothing but it wasn't twitches fault according to "everybody". We waited for a message and now you're saying you don't even know what the context of the message is. Cool but those who understood the context of 'inappropriate messages' aren't 'bias' just because you're deciding you know nothing about anything.

personal bias refers to you using your own assumptions and conclusions. again telling someone that because they aren't going to make the same assumptions as you that they are burying their heads in the sand. That is literally bias, you can't remove yourself from your own personal subjectivity.

acting on emotions instead of information is being emotional, it doesn't mean you are sad, but you are letting your judgement be clouded by what you feel the answer is instead of any tangible reasoning.

this has all the context, this is more than a line of text in a tweet, you don't lock people up in jail or execute them or whatever it is you would like to do over a line in a tweet.

if nothing comes out then that means there's probably very little more to the story. If there is more then it will come out, the truth always comes out.

what is the context? He said he did have inappropriate messages with a minor... what context did you get from that? what were the messages? what did they say? you say you have all the context well tell us exactly what happened?

 

[Bojji]

It's 18 in most states, but how would the age of consent laws in any particular spot make him any less of a groomer pedo?

Would you be comfortable fucking a girl that young or even younger as long as the law said it was okay where you are at the time? There are people who fly to Cambodia and Thailand for that reason, and they're still pedos...

Technically pedophilia is all about sexual attraction to kids before puberty that don't have any sexual characteristics of grown people. It ends up around age of 13.

Pedophilia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Between 14-18 it's all about girls that have sexual characteristics of grown ups but are super young/innocent. Most countries in Europe have age of consent around 15 (14 in Germany).

Very few men are actual pedophiles but I think majority of them (us) can end up having relationship with very young girl given the circumstances.

You don't break the laws but most societies will fucking hate you anyway and you still risk loosing your job and/or be fucked up by the group of local "dads". It's highly not recommend to have relationship with people younger than 18.

 

[GametimeUK]

Is grooming not a crime in the USA? Afaik he would of been guilty of grooming in UK as soon as he tried to arrange a meet up at Twitch con (if that's true)

Lots of comparisons to Depp in here, which aren't right. Depp categorically denied everything. He didn't put out 2 terrible denials. Then go "well.....actually I am kinda guilty of what people are saying" while leaving out the key information that's kinda important.

Disrespect has done that though and looked shitty since it first started coming out.

I'm sure more will come out, but from where I sit, it doesn't look good for him really.

He wouldn't have been guilty of grooming here as 17 is in the age of consent.

 

[Arsic]

 

[King Dazzar]

It's highly not recommend to have relationship with people younger than 18.

I recommend not having any relationships at all. Knocking one out is far less complicated.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I recommend not having any relationships at all. Knocking one out is far less complicated.

Unless you're fapping while whispering inappropriate jokes to minors on Twitch.

 

[King Dazzar]

Unless you're fapping while whispering inappropriate jokes to minors on Twitch.

Wouldnt work for me, I need both hands.

 

[Topher]

Sorry for the double reply.. but it is strange anyway.. if twitch found something damming enough to ban him or whatver ... why settle in a arbitration ? They are in the right by their polices and probably by the law if he was doing something illegal .. why take the L and pay him whatever they did. Why not .. "welp take this to court and show this to everyone ... lets go your pedo"

Anyway ... time for wait and see what this develops into.

He wasn't doing anything illegal so there was nothing to take to court. Twitch is fully within their right to ban him, but they were also contractually obligated to pay him. Twitch really didn't have much choice in the matter, I imagine. They certainly cannot sweep what they knew happened under the rug. The only option they had was to end the business relationship.

 

[Ozriel]

I’ll say this again for example.

If this minor messages him asking him “What are you up to?” And he responds with “Taking an acidic diarrhea shit. Yayayayaya.” That’s inappropriate.

However if he responded with “I’m beating my meat thinking about you.” Then that’s a whole different level of inappropriate.

It’s also key to know this messaging feature was for 18+ only users, and if he never knew their age during messaging, then it’s far less of an issue due to ignorance.

Facts we all need asap:
-How old and did he know the age?
-What did he say that’s inappropriate?

Once those things come out we can burn him at the stake.

It was inappropriate enough for Twitch to get rid of their biggest star, and for his current studio he cofounded to cut ties with him.

If it was innocuous, you can be sure he’d have posted it instead of that wishy washy statement.

Worth noting that the two ex employees that came out with the info both claimed that the Doc was already discussing about a meetup.

 

[Bojji]

I recommend not having any relationships at all. Knocking one out is far less complicated.

That's true I guess, haha.

My fiance has the same age as me (one year older actually) and benefit of that is that we share a shit ton of childhood memories and have many common interests.

I can't imagine having actual relationship with someone around twenty years old (other than some occasional sex), not to mention someone even younger than that...

 

[OccamsLightsaber]

Is 16 not the age on consent in the US?, not that they did anything sexual anyway.

This all sounds like something people wouldnt of given a shit about 10+ years ago.

Also that leaked e-mail, just as i said yesterday, the blue haired 'social team' was desperate for some way to get rid of DOC

And your homeboy need subpoena, that predator move in flocks. That name gotta be registered and placed on neighborhood watch