Dreamworks 'Home": First ever 3D animated film to feature a black protagonist.
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You cant cant be real
There's something wrong with me preferring Hollywood to use more images like Lupita Nyong'o's to promote black girls and females over the typical mixed-race female images they use?
I'm not sure either, but I know that it's a common thing to associate grape juice with black people or something cause they love it so much.
I didn't say that they all had it in one person. But genetic diversity is very prevalent in africa. Curly and straight hair is not so few that you can say it's an anomaly. Regarding the OP, obviously the creators can take more creative embellishment with their image. It doesn't have to be a stereotypical image of a black girl for her to be black.
Vermillion
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Why does every topic about a black female have to turn into whether they're really black or not? Why?
Because genetic diversity is allowed with other races but not black people obviously.
CarpeDeezNutz
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The Measley signal was cast.
I'm talking about all those features being in one person, and usually those features only pop up in that fashion if you're of equal white/black heritage. Which is why I wanted you to link me to tribes of native sub saharan Africans who had similar features to the girl represented in the OP.
The problem is that there are too few positive images of the "stereotypical black girl". The media and Hollywood prefer to play it safe by using "black girls" with features that most black girls don't have. Hence why I would prefer more images of black girls looking like Lupita Nyong'o, and less images of "black girls" looking like Halle Berry, Rhianna, Tyra Banks, Alicia Keys, and this animated character.
But I guess that's just me....
Vermillion
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Let me repeat: black is pretty broad.
You need to get out more. Hell or just google search if you can't. Regardless I don't need your life story, the point is black women, "mixed" or otherwise can grow their hair like this cartoon character. The fact that you are oblivious to this is why you're getting so much backlash.
Instead of your life story, how about you to explain how you came to the conclusion that the hair on this 3D cartoon character is her natural grown/non styled hair, since none of us have heard of any background on this character outside of the pictures and who is voicing her. Or, you can just assume like the rest of us that an artist wanted to draw a black girl, looked up some pictures on google, and drew/rendered it.
That's fine if that is the case here and thank you for trying to clean this up by explaining yourself better. But don't jump to that conclusion just because of her hair.
The moment you had people quoting your first post in reactionary fashion you should have cleaned it up and realized you were obviously saying something wrong. But you held on to your position and threw in your personal experience, still not acknowledging that you maybe (are) wrong.
I shouldn't have to explain your own words to you.
You like her hair, the hair of the stylized cartoon character. And then based off of this alone, you "confirm" that she's mixed. Or was there another picture you were looking at that you didn't share with us in your first post?
F was a joke, but I ended up explaining all of them anyway, so joke's on me.
This is the second time you've quoted me with a poor response trying to do someone else's work and another bad insult attempt for some reason. Do us both a favor and let the original poster do their own responses if you don't have anything better to say. I'm sure you don't have time to repeat responses of another poster and I'd rather not waste time responding to the same thing twice.
As has been said many times to you black people are diverse. Would it be nice for lupita looking girls to be shown, yes. However just because a tyra, rhianna look might be chosen doesn't mean they are less black. That's the problem people have with you and the other guy in this thread.
Vermillion
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You put black girls in quotation marks.
What I have learned from part of GAF.
For some reason black people can't have different skin tones. I guess if you pass the threshold into too light, you aren't really black.
It's weird, we're ok with physical and aesthetic variety in other races. Then we have debates like this on whether someone is black enough. Different eye color and hair can exist among black people. I don't know why it's hard to believe for some people, maybe some are conditioned to believe such traits are exclusive to other races (or they just have a close narrow minded idea of how blacks should look). You also don't hear this mixed race bullshit unless they're part black or black. Lol.
The only answer is the Dave Chappelle Racial Draft.
MisterGrey3000
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Cool beans.
The short was pretty funny, but nothin' too special. It has a lot of potential.
I like the little girl's design, and the Boov design looks nice too.
It's always great to see girls of color leading major films, animated or otherwise.
The short was pretty funny, but nothin' too special. It has a lot of potential.
I like the little girl's design, and the Boov design looks nice too.
It's always great to see girls of color leading major films, animated or otherwise.
My point is that the Tyra and Rhianna look is chosen over and over again over the Lupita look. This is the case despite the fact that the majority of black girls resemble Lupita's phenotype.
There's a nasty, underhanded reason why that happens. and black Americans really shouldn't stand for it, much less defend it.
This fuckin' guy.
You're right, dawg: these people just ain't black enough. They're them "fake-blacks", like Obama. We're just trying to muddy the waters.
Damn, you figured out the conspiracy!
That's the signal where Measley comes in, makes ignorant "innocent" remarks about black people/questions their blackness and pretends he's not a closet racist, right?
It doesn't matter what you believe to be the majority of black girls are. Your anecdotal view of black people is prejudiced. First realize that. Black people as has been said multiple times that you don't seem to listen to are diverse.
It's true that the use of lighter skinned black people is a common trope in media, often done (intentionally or not) because lighter skinned black people are perceived to be more relatable to whites. This is a problem that we as a culture need to work to address.
On the other hand, you are aware that many of these black Americans who you say shouldn't stand for this, do in fact have light skin comparable to this character and other similar characters in TV and movies? Should they not be allowed to be represented as well? Light skinned black people don't have to be present at the exclusion of darker skinned people (or vice versa). The inclusion of one doesn't actually harm the chances of the other being included. It's not a zero sum game.
I can only speak from what i've seen, but there are alot of black girls that look like the people you've listed in Houston. And not every darker toned Black girl has short hair for that matter.
Absolutely not, and I'm not advocating that. I think both should be represented in a more equal fashion. I think Lupita is an incredibly beautiful woman, but she's going to lose out on film roles to women like Paula Patton, Beyoncé, and Halle Berry because of what you describe above. This problem persists throughout the media, and Dreamworks is simply exacerbating the problem by trotting out this character.
I don't think light skinned blacks will have any problem being represented in the media. Look at Dwayne Johnson for example, he's playing Hercules. Vin Diesel has played white guys in a couple of films. I don't think Don Cheadle or Blair Underwood gets the same level of script diversity.
What would you say the majority of black women in Houston look like? Do the majority of black women in Texas have lighter skin and green eyes?
Seems like it would be more productive to fight for better representation for darker skinned black people (and better representation for black people in general), rather than trying to dictate who "deserves" what little representation (relatively speaking) there is.
The way you are going about this makes it sound like you are trying to qualify whether people are "black enough," which would be pretty messed up.
The way you are going about this makes it sound like you are trying to qualify whether people are "black enough," which would be pretty messed up.
But that would make far too much sense.
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Mrs. Manky
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My favorite choice would have been Cree Summer. Yes, Freddie from A Different World. She voiced: Penny from Inspector Gadget, Elmyra from Tiny Toon Adventures, Susie Carmichel from Rug Rats, Foxxy Love from Drawn Together, Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and many many more...she's a voice acting diva and would have done the voice justice.
Subscribing to this thread just to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.
My sister would like to have a word with you.
Though I'm a dude, my hair is naturally like that. I'm straight out of the motherland btw. Canadian raised tho.
My sister would like to have a word with you.
Though I'm a dude, my hair is naturally like that. I'm straight out of the motherland btw. Canadian raised tho.
Pegosaurus
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Wow, if you hadn't told me this is the first 3D animated film featuring a Black protagonist, I wouldn't have known it was the first.
I'm a little surprised.
Film itself sounds decent. I liked the short.
I'm a little surprised.
Film itself sounds decent. I liked the short.
The Faceless Master
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me too. me too...
Blame Morgan Freeman.
Yeah that's exactly my point. There is a wide variety of black voice over talent, or even black actresses who would do the role more justice than Rihanna. I don't know.
I also don't like how the thread is now on about the same thing since page 1 whether the character is black or mixed or whatever. Everytime there is someone who says something and it just goes off course because of it. And it becomes a case of anecdotal opinions.
The Faceless Master
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No, I'm merely pointing out that the features shown in this character (and those actresses mentioned) is more common in a person of mixed heritage than a black or white person. Its common knowledge that a person with a mixed race appearance is more appealing to a wider audience than a person of mono-racial appearance. Which is more than likely why Dreamworks chose this set of features. Blacks will accept these features as representative of the black community, and whites will feel more comfortable because the character has lighter skin, lighter eyes, and lighter hair.
I don't think a character resembling a slimmed down Gabourey Sidibe would do nearly as well. If the character looked like that, or like Nyongo, I would applaud Dreamworks for bucking the Hollywood view of black females in film.
The Faceless Master
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because we have to know if she's just Black-ish or proper Black.
Angelus Errare
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Tell that to my mother or second generation Haitians who were born and raised in DR (and recently are no longer considered citizens of DR by the government) or even better the African population of Brazil/DR/Colombia/PR/Ecuador/<insert latin American country here> who speak spanish natively. If you want to narrow it down to America, tell that to many upon many blacks in Harlem who picked up spanish and those who are fluent I'm sure they'd love they don't speak spanish; hell tell that to my uncle who is fluent in both Portuguese and Spanish and has gone so far as to buy a condo in Brazil.
I prefer African American because Latino isn't a race either. And no shit it's not black and white, I just sat there and said DR has a ridiculously huge racial identification problem. If you have ever lived there for any amount of time (I'm leaning towards all you know about DR you learned from that poor girl who duped herself into giving you a shot). Then you'd very much realise the casta system backs my point to the T. In DR if you identify as black (and thus we have blacks who speak Spanish natively...) then you're discriminated against on ridiculous levels. Trujillo's regime of pure shit was notorious for his anti-black stance (which was ironic given his background but I digress). DR readily accepts their European heritage but outright shuns their African and Haitian heritage. If you're dark in complexion in DR (quite a number of people) then you're more than likely going to say you're blanco oscuro versus saying you're....well black.
You're the one attempting to conflate race and nationality when we're speaking about America. The idea you can look at the character's hair and say with certainty that she's mixed or black people only come in one default setting and everything else is "mixed" (completely ignoring the undeniable fact that black people by definition are a pretty mixed race genetically) is the absolute dumbest shit I've had the pleasure of reading on GAF since I got back from my ban. Your ignorance on the subject both astounds and annoys the fuck out of me furthered by the fact you have the audacity to tell members here who are actually black about black people and how our hair grows because you dated a afro-dominican once. You must be high as a fucking kite if the saying "ignorance is bliss" holds any truth. Both Measley and yourself really just need to go crawl under whatever hole you came from. Hell I'm not even sure how he's still allowed to post on this forum but I digress on that as well. I guess even videogame forums have to fill a remedial member quota.
Please stop embarrassing yourself.
A slimmed down gabourey sidibe would be unappealing regardless of what color she is so obviously hollywood would stay away from that. You are using mixed race as a term to reverse prejudice black females into a certain stereotypical look. African Americans and those of the Africa dispora come from a heritage that is diverse not counting the diversity in Africa. It's troubling that you can't see how you are no worse than a white person who says that someone is not white enough. You are arguing that someone doesn't fit your idea of being black enough. It is a deeply troubling and dividing type of view to have.
Angelus Errare
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And you, boy you are the text book definition of "someone who needs the internet taken away from him." And that is me being nice as I can be. You keep writing this shit as if it were factual.
She's mixed because she has "lighter eyes"?; ugh I'm trying so hard not to just throw insults left and right doubly so after reading your other thread which would have every KKK member reading it nodding in approval while pasting it on their facebook wall. I struggle to keep my composure reading the shit you consider enlightening. I also pray that no black woman ever gives you the time of day because you along with your friend in remedial arms are the kind of people who really need to go back to school starting from grade 1. This time pay attention in biology and ask questions. Then you go and post Lupita as some sort of justification of your complete ignorance; very rarely have I ever felt that I need to kick someone in the throat with some steel toe boots. I don't even feel like going on because I am clearly not going to inject any actual knowledge. Your mind is full to the brim with utter stupidity and really the only way you're going to change your way of thinking is to actually meet "black" people, but after reading your posts, chances are high you'll simply run away at the sight at one.
You too should stop posting on GAF...forever.
EightBitNate
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Wall-E was definitely a brother.
What about Lupita Nyongo?
If you're going to get so upset about what I'm posting, at least read what I'm posting. I said that the combination of light skin, light eyes, and brown curly hair as expressed on this animated character are signs of racial intermixture.
When I think of a black woman, I think of a woman of Lupita Noyong'o's phenotype and general appearance. I would like to see more women of that phenotype/appearance in the media.
I'm sorry if that offends you.
Angelus Errare
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It offends me because it reeks of utter stupidity that you've been spouting nonstop across two threads.
Stop please, black women don't come in one default setting.
Just stop talking about shit you clearly don't understand. How you're allowed to continue spewing this nonsense after that last thread baffles me, the amount of leniency you have received is something VERY few have ever received.
Lupita is fine but the girl in the OP is fine also. And you should address you prejudice view of black women that you keep avoiding.
Byakuya769
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Oh boy.
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