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[akascream]

Please stop, really... stop.

Please tell me you are kidding. Most shotguns are fired into the air for sport and for hunting. How far do you think those pellets really go dude? Use your brain.

 

[Hitokage]

Please tell me you are kidding. Most shotguns are fired into the air for sport and for hunting. How far do you think those pellets really go dude? Use your brain.

When you're in a forest you have an extremely high chance of hitting some part of a tree or at least something that's not a person if you miss.

 

[akascream]

When you're in a forest you have an extremely high chance of hitting some part of a tree or at least something that's not a person if you miss.

Yeah, cause lots of skeet and bird hunting happens in forests. Bullets travel much further than shot.

 

[Justin Bailey]

Please tell me you are kidding. Most shotguns are fired into the air for sport and for hunting. How far do you think those pellets really go dude? Use your brain.

1st - shotgun pellets aren't fired at nearly the same speed as rifle or pistol bullets
2nd - rifle/pistol bullets are heavier than a single shotgun pellet

I've actually been hit with a falling shotgun pellet, it's a slight sting and that's it. This baby, however, was hit with a bullet and it broke through it's skull. There's a *slight* difference there.

 

[akascream]

1st - shotgun pellets aren't fired at nearly the same speed as rifle or pistol bullets
2nd - rifle/pistol bullets are heavier than a single shotgun pellet

I've actually been hit with a falling shotgun pellet, it's a slight sting and that's it. This baby, however, was hit with a bullet and it broke through it's skull. There's a *slight* difference there.

Sounds like we are in agreement? Reading comprehension wins again.

 

[Hitokage]

Yeah, cause lots of skeet and bird hunting happens in forests. Bullets travel much further than shot.

Forest, Plains, Swamp, whatever... you can still get away with a lot more than you could in a populated area regardless of gun.

 

[akascream]

Forest, Plains, Swamp, whatever... you can still get away with a lot more than you could in a populated area regardless of gun.

You shouldn't be firing weapons in a populated area (aka city) either way. That *is* illegal.

Reading the article again, I guess it is possible the gun was fired in town. Especially in Albequerque (used to live there).

Police say finding the person who fired the gun could be tough. Depending on the caliber or gunpowder, the bullet could have traveled anywhere between a few hundred yards up to a mile.

 

[aparisi2274]

Police say finding the person who fired the gun could be tough. Depending on the caliber or gunpowder, the bullet could have traveled anywhere between a few hundred yards up to a mile.

Can a bullet really travel up to a mile from a handgun? No matter how powerful?

That seems a little far fetched....

 

[CabbageRed]

That's odd. The baby is not because of it's soft head but wouldn't the critical velocity of tumbling bullet be more about cracking bones than actual penetration (refering to CSI mentioned). If it were shot at an angle, would the tumble never start?

 

[Ristamar]

I had always wondered if this sort of thing had ever happened before...

 

[tenchir]

Can a bullet really travel up to a mile from a handgun? No matter how powerful?

That seems a little far fetched....

Up to a mile? Since they have the bullet, can they identify the gun that fired it? They would then be able to identify the all owners who owns that type of gun within the mile radius. if they can identify the direction the bullet had fallen from, then that would cut down on the possibilities significantly.

 

[Hitokage]

Up to a mile? Since they have the bullet, can they identify the gun that fired it? They would then be able to identify the all owners who owns that type of gun within the mile radius. if they can identify the direction the bullet had fallen from, then that would cut down on the possibilities significantly.

You don't have to fire a gun only where you live.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Considering only the initial upward velocity and gravity, the bullet will come down just as fast as it was originally shot; however, air resistance acts on it for the entire trip so it doesn't get quite that bad. Still highly dangerous.

Are you sure about that? Wouldn't the bullet rise until its velocity hits 0 and then essentially free fall at the rate of gravity? I don't think they would be the same because the force that pushed the bullet out initially will be different than the force of gravity in which the bullet will then fall back to the ground.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Are you sure about that? Wouldn't the bullet rise until its velocity hits 0 and then essentially free fall at the rate of gravity? I don't think they would be the same because the force that pushed the bullet out initially will be different than the force of gravity in which the bullet will then fall back to the ground.

... no, the bullet would jump from a velocity of 100 feet per second to -50 feet per second, instantaneously.

you're forgetting that gravity is pushing the bullet back the whole time

 

[Hitokage]

Are you sure about that? Wouldn't the bullet rise until its velocity hits 0 and then essentially free fall at the rate of gravity? I don't think they would be the same because the force that pushed the bullet out initially will be different than the force of gravity in which the bullet will then fall back to the ground.

Gravity acts on the bullet from the moment it is fired. The distance and time it would take for gravity to reduce the vertical velocity to 0 is the same distance and time it would take for the bullet to achieve initial vertical firing velocity in free fall. If X - Y = 0, 0 - Y = -X.

But as I said, air resistance also acts upon the bullet in real life and in all directions for the entire trip, so actual results differ.

 

[Error]

this type of incident happened a lot of times from where I live, specially on holidays drunken people that have a gun for no reason at all start shooting bullets at the sky. Sad thing about all this is that the one who always gets the bullets is either a child or a baby, here where I live they ran a massive campaign so that people stop doing this kind of thing, apparently it worked becuase I have not heard of a incident like this for a long time now.

 

[SlickWilly223]

America, leaders of the free world.

you're pathetic.

 

[-=DoAvl=-]

Guns, guns, guns.... *sigh*

Too many moronic people with guns.

 

[Pimpwerx]

From my cold, dead hands. :lol PEACE.

 

[FightyF]

Hey I bet the person that shot the gun was a conservative am I right or wrong boys?

I'd put money on it.

 

[Incognito]

Let's hate America, conservatives, and the 2nd amendment because of one isolated incident.

:gay :gay :gay :gay

 

[Fatghost]

It means nothing really. Its just fun as a Canadian to put down Americans :lol .

Please stop making Canadians look like dumbasses.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Let's hate America, conservatives, and the 2nd amendment because of one isolated incident.

:gay :gay :gay :gay

Because there have been SOOOOOOOOOOOO few incidents involving homicide and/or assault with guns compared to the amount of incidents where someone having a gun saved them from rape or robbery or death.


The 2nd ammendment is bullshit in this day and age.

 

[Excess Poo Flakes]

To imply that guns are not frequently used in self defense by private citizens is absurd.

 

[Incognito]

Because there have been SOOOOOOOOOOOO few incidents involving homicide and/or assault with guns compared to the amount of incidents where someone having a gun saved them from rape or robbery or death.


The 2nd ammendment is bullshit in this day and age.

How is it bullshit?

 

[GaimeGuy]

How is it bullshit?

I mean it's bullshit in that for every life a gun saves, 100 other lives are taken by guns in america. (I pulled that figure out of my ass, but you know that guns do a hell of a lot more damage than good)

There's far too much access to guns nowadays. If access to guns wasn't so easy, we wouldn't have cases like this where a moron killed an 11-month old baby.

 

[CabbageRed]

"I pulled that figure out of my ass..."

Link!

Actually though, does anyone have actual numbers on guns reported to be used in self defense versus guns used for crimes/accidents?

 

[teiresias]

That baby was obviously an enemy of freedom.

 

[GaimeGuy]

"I pulled that figure out of my ass..."

Link!

Actually though, does anyone have actual numbers on guns reported to be used in self defense versus guns used for crimes/accidents?

I'd be willing to bet
(gun crimes and accidents) / (gun self defense) >= 100

 

[slayn]

in addition to air resistance slowing the bullet down there is also a terminal velocity for falling objects in a fluid (air is a fluid). What that velocity is for bullets... no clue.

 

[midnightguy]

that is really an unfortunate freak accident. the idiot who did it was oviously not try to hurt someone but still, it's really fucking tradgic. with that said, I am sure this will be yet another ralling cry to TRY TO HAVE OUR GUNS TAKEN AWAY once more. remember, guns dont kill people. people kill people. and some people are extremely stupid. yet, as Americans, many of us are fighting for the right to hang on to our arms, and we will not have the communist left and FAKE right-wing republicans (also communists or socialists) take our guns away.

 

[FightyF]

Why do people need to fire guns into the air...period? This happens all over the World, among a diverse set of cultures, it's not restricted to the deep south of the US.

Referring to a Chris Rock standup joke...if bullets cost $50,000 each, you wouldn't see incidents like this.

 

[Justin Bailey]

Sounds like we are in agreement? Reading comprehension wins again.

Yeah it was a misunderstanding. Nice jab, btw.

 

[APF]

I'd be willing to bet
(gun crimes and accidents) / (gun self defense) >= 100

I'm willing to bet that too. I'm also more than willing to bet that this ratio would increase by a literally infinite amount if citizens were not legally entitled to use guns in self-defense.

 

[SonnyBoy]

Why do people need to fire guns into the air...period? This happens all over the World, among a diverse set of cultures, it's not restricted to the deep south of the US.

Referring to a Chris Rock standup joke...if bullets cost $50,000 each, you wouldn't see incidents like this.

Nice Chris Rock quote.

While this situation is extremely tragic I dont believe we need our arms taken away. I dont own a firearm but when I purchase my house I will think about getting one for self defense. You can take guns away from your average Joe but the criminals will still have them. I bet you'd miss that gun when a burglar breaks into your house with a gun and all you have are socks in your drawer.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

The last thing you want to do when you're being burglarized is confront the robber. A thief, scared out of his/her mind, and possibly on drugs, probably isn't the kind of person you want to use a gun to "protect" yourself from. Not to mention the other dangers like firing bullets in close quarters and increasing the risk of other people obtaining your weapon (children or the thief; gun in a sock door...wtf?).

Tell me, James, do you still sleep with a gun under your pillow?

 

[Squirrel Killer]

(I pulled that figure out of my ass, but you know that guns do a hell of a lot more damage than good)

No, I don't know that. Since you're the one asserting something, it's incumbent on you to back it up. With something other than from your ass. It's a basic principle of debate people.

 

[Bebpo]

You can take guns away from your average Joe but the criminals will still have them. I bet you'd miss that gun when a burglar breaks into your house with a gun and all you have are socks in your drawer.

...because then you'd both have guns! And you could have a nice old western shoot-out to the death just like in the movies! @_@

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Hang that muthafucka upside down by his toe nails and beat his ass with a fanbelt.

 

[hobbitx]

Damn, that story scared the crap out of me. On the 4th I had some of my family over and my little cousins were begging me to shoot my 45 in the air a few times when we ran out of fireworks. They kept screaming, "Hey come on, no one will even know with all these fireworks popping off." I wasn't regardless, but seeing that thread title just made my heart sink, it was like looking directly at the ultimate 'what if' worst case scenario that could have happened to me.

this type of incident happened a lot of times from where I live, specially on holidays drunken people that have a gun for no reason at all start shooting bullets at the sky. Sad thing about all this is that the one who always gets the bullets is either a child or a baby, here where I live they ran a massive campaign so that people stop doing this kind of thing, apparently it worked becuase I have not heard of a incident like this for a long time now.

They did that here in LA too because of how crazy people get on New Years, despite the campaigns, people still start shooting like crazy near my area.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Wtf? Why didn't the moron fire a blank?