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DUNE - 2020 - Denis Villeneuve - Fear is the mind killer

I've never seen the 80s movie, is it good?

So good that director David Lynch disowned it and won't talk about it. =P

It's pretty crap and but it's not without merit. The first half is decent-ish despite many flaws but then it descends into a clip show movie. Generally cool art direction, at least. =P
 
You know, I vaguely remember watching some of that way back when. Sci-Fi channel maybe? (Before they were stupid SyFy)

Is the book good?
The book is one of the founding works of modern science fiction. 'Dune' influenced sci-fi like 'Lord of the Rings' influenced fantasy. As a plus the full-cast audio book features the same voice actor as KOTOR's HK-47 as the Harkonen mentat advisor Pieter De'Vries.

The SciFi mini series was actually quite good at adapting the relevant parts of the plotline. I would say it isn't any worse than what Peter Jackson had to do to Tolkien to get a functional script. That's not to say the two are even remotely comparable in production values, but Jackson had to cut a shit-ton to even get his movies down to a 10 hour run-time in the extended cut.
 
For the record, i thought the original movie was great. I had read the books, the first 3 books at least, and i found the movie to be a totally adequate representation of everything in those books. Furthermore, perhaps by blind chance, i found a lot of the ways they rendered the various locations etc, and the fighting (with the blocky shields etc), to be right in line with what i imagined whilst reading the book.
Any new film obviously walks the tightrope between success and failure, all the more narrow a rope in this case was a result of context. I withhold all hype and comment with this, like with anything. I don't even know if i hope it will be good.. part of me just wants them to leave it alone~
 

pr0cs

Member
HYPE!

I've never seen the 80s movie, is it good?
If you go in with an open mind it's a fun movie.
I'm a child of the 80s so I have a higher tolerance for campy pretentiousness.
It's a cool take on a complicated story, to me a must watch before Villeneuve releases his take
 
Sicario is fantastic, but don't put that squarely on the director. Everything Taylor Sheridan has written has been great; Hell or High Water, Wind River, and Yellowstone.

What's interesting is Villeneuve and Del Toro removed a ton of dialogue for Del Toro's character from the script, which may have made him even more effective in the end, though I never read the original script. I remember people hating on it when it was leaked back in the day though, before the movie came out.
 
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Ogbert

Member
HYPE!

I've never seen the 80s movie, is it good?

No. It’s very bad.

The book is also an odd read. Chapters are impenetrable and there’s an underlying love for ‘Jihad’ that sits uncomfortably.

I would humbly submit that Dune is perhaps the solitary example of a video game being the finest entry in a media franchise.
 
No. It’s very bad.

The book is also an odd read. Chapters are impenetrable and there’s an underlying love for ‘Jihad’ that sits uncomfortably.

I would humbly submit that Dune is perhaps the solitary example of a video game being the finest entry in a media franchise.

I played Dune II from Westwood back in the day, I loved that shit. Had no idea of the lore or anything, but it was so fun!
 
No. It’s very bad.

The book is also an odd read. Chapters are impenetrable and there’s an underlying love for ‘Jihad’ that sits uncomfortably.

I would humbly submit that Dune is perhaps the solitary example of a video game being the finest entry in a media franchise.

What are you smoking bro? It's one of the best books I've ever read, the plot and characters and world building and pacing are some of the best ever. "Love for jihad," what? The main character is literally trying to prevent that throughout the book, it's the huge evil shadow lurking over the plot as the Big Bad Consequence
 

Trogdor1123

Gold Member
No. It’s very bad.

The book is also an odd read. Chapters are impenetrable and there’s an underlying love for ‘Jihad’ that sits uncomfortably.

I would humbly submit that Dune is perhaps the solitary example of a video game being the finest entry in a media franchise.
I have never heard a take like this on the book.... It is nothing short of amazing.

Or is the new trend to hate on incredible literary works?
 
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eot

Banned
Sicario is in my top 10 films of last decade

I never saw the sequel though, not yet at least
What did you like about it? I saw it and enjoyed the cinematography, and Del Toro, but not that much stuck with me. The traffic jam scene was well done though.
No. It’s very bad.

The book is also an odd read. Chapters are impenetrable and there’s an underlying love for ‘Jihad’ that sits uncomfortably.

I would humbly submit that Dune is perhaps the solitary example of a video game being the finest entry in a media franchise.
You almost had me there
 

Ogbert

Member
I have never heard a take like this on the book.... It is nothing of amazing.

Or is the new trend to hate on incredible literary works?

I mean no offence to those that love the novel. It is well written and clearly loved. I found the quasi religious overtones frustrating. The desert chaps were a religious cult that believed in the return of a messiah. It’s about the clearest religious allegory going. He purposefully adopted the term ‘jihad’ for that reason.

Anyway, again, happy to be wrong. I only read the first novel so appreciate it might develop.

The film has one redeeming feature though, which is Virginia Madsen being indescribably beautiful.
 
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Trogdor1123

Gold Member
I mean no offence to those that love the novel. It is well written and clearly loved. I found the quasi religious overtones frustrating. The desert chaps were a religious cult that believed in the return of a messiah. It’s about the clearest religious allegory going. He purposefully adopted the term ‘jihad’ for that reason.

Anyway, again, happy to be wrong. I only read the first novel so appreciate it might develop.

The film has one redeeming feature though, which is Virginia Madsen being indescribably beautiful.
Fair enough, I encourage you to keep reading the series. It will pull it together in amazing ways.
 
What did you like about it? I saw it and enjoyed the cinematography, and Del Toro, but not that much stuck with me. The traffic jam scene was well done though.

You almost had me there

One of my favorite movies when I was a little younger was Traffic (2000)

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and one of my favorite movies ever is No Country For Old Men

Sicario really stuck with me because I felt it combined two of the main themes from these films (futility of the 'War On Drugs' by big government in Traffic, the futility of small town sheriff facing the escalation of violence in his territory) and wrapped it in a nice bow of fantastic acting, great cinematography, and memorable dialog.

Emily Blunt's character (I forget the name) never stood a chance, and wasn't supposed to. She was handpicked largely in part because of how far out of her depth she was. One idealistic, inexperienced cop in the middle of all of this madness.

The "time to meet God" scene, I mean, that's one of the most unforgettable scenes from any film I know.

Moral ambiguity. Do we do more harm than good in our "war on drugs" have we created monsters? Do the ends justify the means?

Just some takeaways for me in my little amateur moviegoer mind, I could be way off, it just really stuck with me
 
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Yep.

Dune - Yes
Dune Messiah - Yes
Children of Dune - Yes
God Emperor of Dune - Hell Yes
Heretics of Dune - If u want
Chapterhouse Dune - If u want

Everything else - Hell No
House Atreides, House Harkonnen and House Corrino aren't awful. Obviously not written by Frank Herbert but by his son and Keven J. Anderson and they are based off Frank Herbert's notes and "bible" for the series.
 
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