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DUNE - 2020 - Denis Villeneuve - Fear is the mind killer
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Dontero
Banned
Dune is amazing when you hear about and and listen to people talking about it.
Then you read it and you realize that either people didn't read it and peddle it as "common knowledge" or they were just like shit fantasy a lot.
Like case of Baron Harkonen. People put him is some sort of top 5 of best villains ever. But if you read the books he has literally like maybe 4-5 scenes where he is your typical evil baron and a bit in 3rd book.
Dune. Is interesting book but you can't take it as one off since story literally end with cliffhanger.
Dune Messiah. This is still interesting book and mostly finishes story with Paul getting back his land. But ending to that book starts The WTF part of those books.
Children of Dune is where this WTF start ot be central and pathos and destiny comes into forefront.
God Emperor of Dune - is full WTF no reason or rhyme with full shit pathos for shock value.
Heretics of Dune is where my bullshit alert just could take pathos and i leaved series thinking Herbert is shit writer overall despite writing two interesting books.
If you ever want to read Dune and not be disgusted by it you should read Dune and Dune Messiah and leave ending of Dune Messiah and rest of the books. Because those books cover interesting story that has some meaning. Rest of the series is just circlejerking for sake of sequels with ever increasing WTF for no logical reason.
The worst part is that people treat Dune as some sort of high brow Sci-fi where it is just low brow pop fantasy.
Then you read it and you realize that either people didn't read it and peddle it as "common knowledge" or they were just like shit fantasy a lot.
Like case of Baron Harkonen. People put him is some sort of top 5 of best villains ever. But if you read the books he has literally like maybe 4-5 scenes where he is your typical evil baron and a bit in 3rd book.
Dune. Is interesting book but you can't take it as one off since story literally end with cliffhanger.
Dune Messiah. This is still interesting book and mostly finishes story with Paul getting back his land. But ending to that book starts The WTF part of those books.
Children of Dune is where this WTF start ot be central and pathos and destiny comes into forefront.
God Emperor of Dune - is full WTF no reason or rhyme with full shit pathos for shock value.
Heretics of Dune is where my bullshit alert just could take pathos and i leaved series thinking Herbert is shit writer overall despite writing two interesting books.
If you ever want to read Dune and not be disgusted by it you should read Dune and Dune Messiah and leave ending of Dune Messiah and rest of the books. Because those books cover interesting story that has some meaning. Rest of the series is just circlejerking for sake of sequels with ever increasing WTF for no logical reason.
The worst part is that people treat Dune as some sort of high brow Sci-fi where it is just low brow pop fantasy.
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JareBear: Remastered
Banned
So this just popped up in my YouTube feed
I avoid leaks so I’m not gonna listen/watch this but the title grabbed me
is the new Dune already being labeled “woke?”
I avoid leaks so I’m not gonna listen/watch this but the title grabbed me
is the new Dune already being labeled “woke?”
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Not interested in some random YouTuber crying woke or not. It's too early to tell. Nor has that ever been Villeneuve's area of work.
Besides the Fremen are inspired by many groups of people including Native Americans and Arabic/Islamic people. Herbert grew up around Native Americans and was an ecologist as well. If Dune movie includes anything resembling these things it has to be evaluated on the basis of the source material.
Besides the Fremen are inspired by many groups of people including Native Americans and Arabic/Islamic people. Herbert grew up around Native Americans and was an ecologist as well. If Dune movie includes anything resembling these things it has to be evaluated on the basis of the source material.
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Corrik
Member
The Mini Series I enjoyed a lot. I have disasterous expectations for this movie but I am beyond hyped regardless.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
Dune Messiah is anticlimactic, but I've come around to it as the other half of a good story (Dune being the first half).
Paul in Dune is King David.
Paul in Dune Messiah is King Lear / latter days of King Arthur.
Ballthyrm
Member
I mean Dune is inspired a lot more by the Coran.
There is some Christian reference for sure but they are outnumbered by the Islamic ones.
It is pretty heavy handed with the spice being an analog for oil, and Arrakis for the middle east.
There is this really good blogpost about all the different themes, Frank Herbert explore throughout his novels.
Cleared_Hot
Member
Can't agree more!
Cleared_Hot
Member
SICARIO is one on m of the most realistic portrayals of modern warfare every created. And although the sequel got bad reviews from the SJW hoard due to it accurately portraying drug cartels and the border crisis, it had a more generic plot but ended up being a fucking great movie too, and left it open for a third. But back to my point, the first film is very realistic in depicting modern warfare. It is exactly what the government does on the border (in very few cases but it happens none the less) but especially in the middle east. Using "joint" ops as means to wheel in whatever assets they want to into places they dont have "boots on the ground" or autbority to do so alone for instance. Plus, the badass soundtrack!!! the demon is one great song.One of my favorite movies when I was a little younger was Traffic (2000)
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and one of my favorite movies ever is No Country For Old Men
Sicario really stuck with me because I felt it combined two of the main themes from these films (futility of the 'Way On Drugs' by big government in Traffic, the futility of small town sheriff facing the escalation of violence in his territory) and wrapped it in a nice bow of fantastic acting, great cinematography, and memorable dialog.
Emily Blunt's character (I forget the name) never stood a chance, and wasn't supposed to. She was handpicked largely in part because of how far out of her depth she was. One idealistic, inexperienced cop in the middle of all of this madness.
The "time to meet God" scene, I mean, that's one of the most unforgettable scenes from any film I know.
Moral ambiguity. Do we do more harm than good in our "war on drugs" have we created monsters? Do the ends justify the means?
Just some takeaways for me in my little amateur moviegoer mind, I could be way off, it just really stuck with me
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Doczu
Member
It's not woke. Or at least the books aren't - you can never be sure with the adapration this day. But i'm pretty sure somebody thought about the Bene Geserit sisterhood as being woke. Talk about wrong labeling.
finowns
Member
Yes, I always watch it when it’s on the movie channels. There’s not much like it’s pretty unique.
ManaByte
Member
A First Look at Timothée Chalamet in Dune
Part one of our preview of Denis Villeneuve’s adaptation of the epic sci-fi novel.
HeadsUp7Up
Member
I have a tough time deciding on opening weekend or during the week for this. I’m already smelling the BO in the theater but I want to see this sooo bad.
triplestation
Member
im excited to see dunc
Ivory Blood
Member
Hmm, looks like Atreides homeworld - Caladan, I guess? Before they leave for Arrakis.
Still looks a bit generic, I think I've seen this same coastline in some other movies.
Still looks a bit generic, I think I've seen this same coastline in some other movies.
Birdo
Banned
BBCs DUNE.
Cleared_Hot
Member
Damn. Dennis Villanueva has literally mastered those wide landscape shots. All of his films have them and they always look incredible.A First Look at Timothée Chalamet in Dune
Part one of our preview of Denis Villeneuve’s adaptation of the epic sci-fi novel.www.vanityfair.com
Javthusiast
Banned
Never read the books or watched the old movie. Love all of Villeneuve's movies, so my body is ready.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
As for as first sneak peeks go, not bad. Looks solid. I’m reading the first book right now. Getting more excited for this.
was always on my radar because of the director but the book is great so far
was always on my radar because of the director but the book is great so far
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Are those flying vehicles in the sky?
Are ornithopters only on Dune? Otherwise, are those in the pic be ornithopters?
Are ornithopters only on Dune? Otherwise, are those in the pic be ornithopters?
Doczu
Member
Nope, they don't look like the leaked pics of ornithopters. Probably transport ships preping to move shit to Arrakis.
ClanOfNone
Member
The ornithopters in Lynch's movie looked like poop, but I loved the super weird designs for the various starships and guild highliners.
Doczu
Member
Yeah, Ornithopters were really baaad.
I hope we will get XIXth century officer uniforms. They looked crazy in space.
VGEsoterica
Member
It's perfect in an 80's Lynchian way
Birdo
Banned
New Vanity Fair article is out.
All the style from the Lynch version has been sucked out for a generic, stale look.
All the style from the Lynch version has been sucked out for a generic, stale look.
Doczu
Member
Yeah thats what i feared after they showed Paul yesterday...New Vanity Fair article is out.
All the style from the Lynch version has been sucked out for a generic, stale look.
Not a fan of the plain costumes, the Lynch ones were miles better.
obin_gam
Member
House Atreidis are suppose to be the default straight man style. Wait until Harkonnens are revealed for effect.New Vanity Fair article is out.
All the style from the Lynch version has been sucked out for a generic, stale look.
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ManaByte
Member
There are a lot of people who never read the book and all they know is the Lynch version.
Doczu
Member
Yes, they were supposed to be, but this doesn't look default straight, but more like default generic.
Not my fault that Lynch's vision had made an impact how people saw the Dune universe
they retro futuristic XVIII-XIX century over the top space Game of Thrones aesthetics were fantastic and lived long in the game adaptations. "The king is dead, long live the king" i guess, hope the other houses will look better. I want my militaristic House Corino, thank you.
Melon Husk
Member
ManaByte
Member
Yes, they were supposed to be, but this doesn't look default straight, but more like default generic.
Not my fault that Lynch's vision had made an impact how people saw the Dune universe
"The king is dead, long live the king" i guess, hope the other houses will look better. I want my militaristic House Corino, thank you.
The only good thing about Lynch’s Dune was Toto.
Shizumapower
Member
ManaByte
Member
I think people who only know the Lynch version aren’t aware that Paul and Chani are supposed to be very young. The casting is perfect.
Doczu
Member
I'm gonna stab you with a Crysknife if you won't take that back.
However you mentioned Toto, so i won't hurt you much and i promise your life water will be used wisely and I will carry your water talons (don't know how they were called in English) with honor.
GreyHorace
Member
Dr. Liet Kynes...
Played by Max Von Sydow in the David Lynch movie, now played by Sharon Duncan-Brewster.
Did we really need to change the gender of this character just to give more prominence to women in the movie? Dune already has one of the greatest female characters in science fiction with Jessica. And we already have Charlotte Rampling as the Reverend Mother Gaius Morham, who is one of the main antagonists. Stop with this nonsense that Dune is lacking in female characters of note.
Played by Max Von Sydow in the David Lynch movie, now played by Sharon Duncan-Brewster.
Did we really need to change the gender of this character just to give more prominence to women in the movie? Dune already has one of the greatest female characters in science fiction with Jessica. And we already have Charlotte Rampling as the Reverend Mother Gaius Morham, who is one of the main antagonists. Stop with this nonsense that Dune is lacking in female characters of note.
Ivory Blood
Member
Hope the ost will be something similar. After BR2049 I trust in Villeneuve to go the exta mile.
ManaByte
Member
Jackson did the same thing in LOTR by increasing Arwen’s role (such as replacing Glorfindel with her) and it was fine.
Doczu
Member
Casting for Paul and Chani is perfect, not a fan of gender swapping Kynes. If they did it only because of muh soggy knees and representation then they should bash themself in the jead with a hammer.
eot
Banned
Most of the shots are nice, except this one. I hope that's a picture of the cast and not a still from the movie.
GreyHorace
Member
Peter Jackson didn't change the gender of a character just to score woke points. He wrote out a character who didn't matter much in the main plot and replaced him with a character who needed the screentime and development so as to give context to their relationship with one of the Fellowship (i.e. Aragorn). What Jackson did was a smart decision in terms of adaptation.
This gender change on Liet Kynes serves no purpose other than to virtue signal.
Shizumapower
Member
This is why I don't really like anything based off a novel anymore. It's like they cant help themselves... the Netflix casting Meme has become a reality everywhere.
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