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Dunkirk - Review thread
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DarkLordMalik
Member
Nolan the director we deserve and the one we need right now.Rating still holding.
Inferno313
Banned
Its so funny to me how Jauns always has a main defense of "I'm not a critic!!!". Thats complete bullshit, it's his job to review movies. He's a critic.
This is the go-to response for all these guys. I challenged the way AVGN handled his Ghostbusters debacle as being poor form for a professional critic. Half the thread was full of folks calling me a liar for insisting that he's a critic. "He just does these for fun!!!" they insisted.
Yet he has a website cataloging his 300+ film review videos. Like, come on.
JoJoShabadoo
Member
I for one welcome a movie that is an audiovisual experience rather than a story. War dramas have been done to death anyways.
ShadowKingpin
Member
Rating still holding.
2 fucking days until my local showing. Ugh.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
"Early reviews are fake news."
Eat it.
Eat it.
I'm not sure you're listing these films because you've read those were his inspiration or because you've seen them (Dunkirk included). I'm just curious what you meant... It feels weird bringing them in the context you did (as related to characters and personalising).
Also seeing the film and seeing what he took from the "inspiration", in my opinion he has really missed the point of those films and what made those great... It's still the most enjoyable Nolan film in a very long time tho because it focuses more on the ride than the bloating. He is a very good technical filmmaker and it's not a surprise that the technical aspects of this film are and still will be first to be praised.
I haven't seen Dunkirk. I was just referring to the stripped down characterization and "in-the-moment" storytelling, which reminds me of those other films. As far as I know, A Man Escaped has not been mentioned as an inspiration - the other two I'm sure have. And yes, I've seen them.
Anton Sugar
Member
Other than the actual business delineation of "yes, I'm a professional critic part/full time, receive screening invites, etc", whether or not you consider someone to be a *relevant* critic is purely up to you.
That applies to all critics/reviewers/whatever, pro or not. Every critic is subjective, every critic is drawing from their own experience, their preferences, etc. If what they look for out of a movie doesn't align with you, then just ignore them.
That applies to all critics/reviewers/whatever, pro or not. Every critic is subjective, every critic is drawing from their own experience, their preferences, etc. If what they look for out of a movie doesn't align with you, then just ignore them.
This is a little bit too sensible to be in a review thread
Night Hunter
Banned
I tried to read the one rotten review just out of curiosity. WHAT THE FUCK?
That first paragraph...
That first paragraph...
hiphoptherobot
Member
That entire website.....
Its like going back in a time machine to 1999.
Inferno313
Banned
I don't think so. A lot of the time the "Best Director" Oscar goes to a film that is showy from a filmmaking perspective, like Dunkirk, than one that is showy from a performance perspective.
I thought Kenneth Branagh, Tom Hardy, Harry Styles, and Mark Rylence were really great, and they have some great moments, but there isn't really much developement for any of the characters.
I don't see any best actor noms coming if that's what you mean.
Maybe the point was not having a stand out performance, or at least one that considerably out-shadows the others. I imagine that the event is the protagonist here.
I may be wrong though.
Inferno313
Banned
No, no. I agree. I think Nolan's approach sounds fine. Perfect, even, given the material.
I was just responding to this guy's question that the lack of a central performance could hurt Nolan's oscar chances.
Oh, I got ya.
You could also argue that Nolan did a fine job maintaining a consistency in performances and letting the event speak the loudest.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
I'm curious what you will think after watching Dunkirk. While I understand how he might have been influenced by the minimal, unembellished approach of Bresson's film(s) (quite different from Clouzot or Pontecorvo), I still think he misunderstood Bresson's points and detail-based storytelling. I think, as I mentioned before, he misses the more important point of these films and their directors' approach and in the end these influences prove to be more technical and on-the-surface. That being said all these films have great characterisation(s)
Would really love to hear your opinion after seeing the film as I think it would be interesting to compare Dunkirk to the films Nolan said he was influenced by.
Also A man escaped was according to Nolan one of his (main?) influences so if that wasn't something you've read about maybe there is something you felt about the trailers that felt similar to Bresson? Or the description from the reviews?
Anton Sugar
Member
From impressions, it doesn't sound like it will be like Fury Road except in that it's an intense, packed experience through-and-through.
I think the characters in Fury Road were well drawn and motivated. I don't know if that will be the case here.
It actually sounds a bit like Black Hawk Down in that regard. A film full of good-great performances, no real central character (Hartnett is the closest), and no chance for any of them to stand out above the rest. That's not the story they were trying to tell there.
I think the characters in Fury Road were well drawn and motivated. I don't know if that will be the case here.
It actually sounds a bit like Black Hawk Down in that regard. A film full of good-great performances, no real central character (Hartnett is the closest), and no chance for any of them to stand out above the rest. That's not the story they were trying to tell there.
RBelong2Us
Member
With 27 reviews tallied on MetaCritic it now has 17 100 scores. Already surpassing every Nolan film in terms of 100 scores on there. Will more than likely be his best reviewed film ever.
I spoke about the prologue reminding me of A Man Escaped late last year. It was the moment-to-moment, tactile depiction of characters accomplishing physical tasks in step-by-step ways that set off those bells.
Also, not to poke the bear, but is this a ”gotcha" attempt? Because I can't understand why anyone would object to those films being called "in-the-moment", or stripped down in their approach to storytelling, exposition, and character. And that includes Wages of Fear and Battle For Algiers. I didn't just read it in some interview, if that's what you're getting at.
RastaMentality
Banned
I mean I don't really see the need for character development in an in-the-moment war film but I guess I could be proved wrong in the theater.
Not gonna lie, probably gonna watch it just so i can watch the future "Half in the bag" episode about it.
Night Hunter
Banned
No, this is definitely a Trump era view of Europe. It reads like it's a bunch of failed states or something
No no... no gotcha moment. I was just curious. The reason I mentioned reading somewhere about those films was because those were the ones Nolan mentioned in interviews (except maybe The Battle of Algiers) and it didn't make sense to me having them as examples of films that lack characters/deep characterisation (Wages of Fear can be seen as a study film exactly for that). Maybe the reason they feel like weird examples is because I've seen the film and you haven't and already seeing it I can't connect the way Nolan uses characterisation to the films mentioned, while you have only the expectations to go by. Probably after you see it you will understand why I couldn't connect the dots on that front. Or maybe not. That's why I said I would love to discuss exactly this after you see it.
As someone mentioned before, the film I guess can be seen as being closer to United 93. In that it feels more like an extremely expensive reconstruction that dabbles in experimental editing, that also happens to be quite enjoyable. I don't think the film is or even tries to be a vehicle for something more...
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This juxtaposition on the same page is interesting.
As much as I don't like what these guys have become over time, I can't knock that they are getting people to watch movies they might not otherwise watch, even if its for what seems like, on the surface, a counterproductive reason. People might not give these films a real chance if they're heading into the theater with that mindset, but there's still the possibility something new might surprise a viewer or two, and that's overall a good thing.
Peter "Smart and Sexy" Travers gave it four stars. http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/...dunkirk-may-be-greatest-war-film-ever-w492668
brickarts295
Member
Nolan's films have always been technical Marvel's. So I wouldn't. Be surprised if the film only manages to get technical nominations as well as best director/picture. But its still too early to talk about Oscars anyways.
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Can't believe that average rating is holding steady.
Now my main goal is to de-hype myself a bit before Thursday so my expectations aren't impossibly high.
Now my main goal is to de-hype myself a bit before Thursday so my expectations aren't impossibly high.
Messofanego
Banned
Nice! I'll shout GAF and then you shout GAF lol.
Mrstriker09
Member
Im Nervous and excited for this movie after all these reviews,
MidnightCowboy
Member
70mm on Friday, here we gooooooo. If I like it enough maybe I'll go out to Studio City for an IMAX showing, but I hate driving so the odds are low.
DecoReturns
Member
Didn't need to worry to much about cast budget as well. (I think)
Still Interesting to know how much.
Do we know how much Interstellar was? I look at that movie and think $$$$$$
DecoReturns
Member
Around the same as Inception at 160 millionish
Biggest-Geek-Ever
Member
RustyNails
Member
"But why is he running?"
Yeah, the fact that it's still at 97 after so many reviews is pretty nuts.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Almost as impressive as when Nolan leapfrogged the most lauded films of all time on iMDB within a week of TDK's release to become the officially recognised GOAT movie.
DecoReturns
Member
...so how do I get my free song for getting tickets at fandango?
It won't let me
It won't let me
NealMcCauley
Member
Did you see a code/link on your purchase confirmation page? That's how I got the track.
I also got an email the day after I bought mine.
DecoReturns
Member
I just check and I don't see anything.
Hmm, I'll check through my laptop. I'm on moblie right now