Wellington
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Che said:
You're right, just look at Medal of Honor 2005 and C&C 2005.
EA eyeing Resident Evil/Street Fighter creators Capcom, and Namco of the Tekken games
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You're right, just look at Medal of Honor 2005 and C&C 2005.
Wellington said:
Please don't make me start looking for how many Medal of Honors (incl expansions) were released the last 4 years or how many expansions for C&C get released each year. I have no idea to tell you the truth since like I said EA games don't interest me one bit but I don't expect any surprises.
Che said:
This is disappointing... I thought you were smarter than this... I'll be glad when my EA spaceship arrives.... EA will continue to be at the top of the charts, and some of you will continue to stew... oh yeah.... keep it goin!
Here's a simple solution for those of us who would like to boycott EA products on principle, but can't bring themselves to skip the next Madden/Need for Speed/whatever:
Just buy them preowned.
Whether you purchase used copies of their titles through your local specialty shop or online via eBay, you're ensuring that EA doesn't see a penny of your cash. It may be tough to wait that extra week or two for a preowned copy to go on sale, but by doing this, you're still hitting EA square in the wallet, even if you happen to love one of their franchises too much to bring yourself to boycott them completely.
Just buy them preowned.
Whether you purchase used copies of their titles through your local specialty shop or online via eBay, you're ensuring that EA doesn't see a penny of your cash. It may be tough to wait that extra week or two for a preowned copy to go on sale, but by doing this, you're still hitting EA square in the wallet, even if you happen to love one of their franchises too much to bring yourself to boycott them completely.
DarienA said:
EA has the highest profit margins of any publisher in this industry. They only care about making money, period. Other publishers care about making money, but they also have some type of passion for making good games. EA has the highest profit margins because they keep producing uninspired sequel after another, and do so by squeezing the hell out of their workforce and leverage their power to squeeze the lowest possible royalty from those developers they don't own. DICE was trying to negotiate a better deal on their upcoming Battlefield games and EA decided they'd buy out them and shut them off.
"Please don't make me start looking for how many Medal of Honors (incl expansions) were released the last 4 years or how many expansions for C&C get released each year. I have no idea to tell you the truth since like I said EA games don't interest me one bit but I don't expect any surprises."
Number of Command and Conquer games released in:
2000- 1 new game
2001- 1 expansion disc
2002-0
2003 1 new game and 1 expansion disc
2004-0
Anyone care to list how many games Capcom released for the Street Fighter franchise in the same period of time? You 3LEET nerds need to STFU. Its a MARKET DRIVEN industry. The fact that you sit around on message boards bitching and spend all of your lives and money playing, reading, and chatting about, video games does not make your opinions any more valid that the "casual idiots" who buy their games at Walmart.
Walmart suxxors! Softwear Etc iz 4 TEH HARDCORE GAMARZ!!!1
Number of Command and Conquer games released in:
2000- 1 new game
2001- 1 expansion disc
2002-0
2003 1 new game and 1 expansion disc
2004-0
Anyone care to list how many games Capcom released for the Street Fighter franchise in the same period of time? You 3LEET nerds need to STFU. Its a MARKET DRIVEN industry. The fact that you sit around on message boards bitching and spend all of your lives and money playing, reading, and chatting about, video games does not make your opinions any more valid that the "casual idiots" who buy their games at Walmart.
Walmart suxxors! Softwear Etc iz 4 TEH HARDCORE GAMARZ!!!1
Wellington
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Che said:
:lol
Explain the sales of the DoA series.
Gilatif said:
I agree, for the most part. I don't know when video gaming became so god-damned elitist where you had to own certain systems or games to be considered "real", "hardcore", "elite", or whatever. If nothing else, these "casual" gamers that everyone on message boards denounces these days sink just as much money as these other elitists do. Who the hell are we to dictate what people should and shouldn't be playing... or where they should buy their games from?
A few thousand so-called "hardcore" gamers from a few internet message boards are NOT going to alter the gaming market. I don't know if it's because these "hardcore" people don't like the fact that they no longer make up the majority in the gaming community or whether it's because the internet gives them a chance to showcase their elitism (although the majority doesn't give a rat's ass), or if it's something else.
Have fun with your boycotts and your Nostradamus-style doom predictions. I'll continue to buy the games that I feel are worth my money, and I'll buy them where I see fit.
Tellaerin said:
This is true to a point. EB is likely paying close attention to their top pre-owned sellers. If EA tops that list, then buying a lot of new EA games to pump into the pre-owned pipeline still makes sense.
The only real way to hit them where it counts is to just not buy their games. Not too hard when they put out stuff like Goldeneye...
DarienA said:
As I said it was a honest question. You could be developing games or working in other departments in EA. Nothing wrong about that. But you do defend them and I find it rather odd since I respect you as a poster. I wasn't trying to offend you or anything. And sorry if I did.
Gilatif said:
Hey idiot you just proved me right. Almost one game each year like I was saying in my original post Wellington commented on. And yes you casual gamers destroy the gaming industry with your infinite idiocy. Now go play Catwoman or some licenced crap and stop posting in a forum full of 3LEET nerds.
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OF COURSE it's a market-driven industry and OF COURSE everyone should buy what games they like to. But I don't think that means a different subset of gamers shouldn't be able to vent about goings-on that are to their detriment.
How about we just boycott crappy games and buy the good ones? The reason sports games sell so well is because people....wait for it...LIKE THEM!
The fact is, companies like Capcom and Sega both act like they are allergic to money. Capcom lost the good will it had created in the Street Fighter series when it released 4 updates to SF2. And Sega...where do I start? Shining Force Neo doesn't look like it will play like the Shining Force I know and love. Die hard fans cried out for home versions of Daytona 2 and Scud Racer. Where are they? Where was the Saturn version of the Golden Axe 2 arcade game?
EA on the other hand, like them or not, has given people what they wanted. Yeah, CC Generals probably was rushed by EA. I'd much rather Westwood stay independent. But, I loved Generals and bought Zero Hour the day it was released. Plenty of other people love EA's sports games as well. 10 years ago, everyone thought NHL '94 was the greatest. Now, he hate EA because they are a big juggernaut?
Ditto with Microsoft. Why didn't we boycott Halo after Bungie was acquired?
The fact is, companies like Capcom and Sega both act like they are allergic to money. Capcom lost the good will it had created in the Street Fighter series when it released 4 updates to SF2. And Sega...where do I start? Shining Force Neo doesn't look like it will play like the Shining Force I know and love. Die hard fans cried out for home versions of Daytona 2 and Scud Racer. Where are they? Where was the Saturn version of the Golden Axe 2 arcade game?
EA on the other hand, like them or not, has given people what they wanted. Yeah, CC Generals probably was rushed by EA. I'd much rather Westwood stay independent. But, I loved Generals and bought Zero Hour the day it was released. Plenty of other people love EA's sports games as well. 10 years ago, everyone thought NHL '94 was the greatest. Now, he hate EA because they are a big juggernaut?
Ditto with Microsoft. Why didn't we boycott Halo after Bungie was acquired?
Of course everyone should be able to vent on what they like and don't like. What is pathetic is this snot-nosed elitism and the double standard.
The major players in the game industry got there because they made products people like, and continue to buy. If they become crap factories, they will go out of business. Akklaim anyone?
The major players in the game industry got there because they made products people like, and continue to buy. If they become crap factories, they will go out of business. Akklaim anyone?
Gilatif said:
Cos MS doesn't buy the developers one after another or because MS doesn't rape them like EA does? I'm the last who would defend MS and their tactics but comparing them with EA (in the videogames industry) makes MS look like an angel. And please stop comparing respected publishers with EA. It disgusts me.
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Gilatif said:
Madden sells around 5-6 million copies a year. It brings EA more than $300 million a year, every year. What percentage of that money goes into hiring new talent so the programmers don't have to work 80 hours weeks? What percentage of that money goes into adding new content and developing new engines instead of making minimal changes and pushing out a re-packaged game with new rosters for $50? What happened when they got a slight competition in the field, they buy out the exclusive license to lock their compeition out. That's predatory business practice. Don't buy that argument that EA makes games that people want, people wouldn't know what they want next year when Madden is the only football game they can buy. EA cares about making more and more money, doesn't care a bit about gamers or video gaming. When was the last time an EA game received critical acclaim for creativity or innovative content?
Capcom and Sega are respected? Yeah, I stood in line on 9-9-99 when my Software Etc opened (I was hardcore then!) to buy my DC, Soul Calbur and arcade stick. I didn't mind the lack of online support from the start. I didn't mind that A LOT of the games 3rd party publishers made for DC were simply high resolution remakes of their PSX games (ahem...Eidos), or that Capcom was hell bent on cramming 2d games down our throats, some of which looked barely better than PSX games (Giga Wing). I didn't mind the shoddy Virtua Fighter 3 port, or the defective launch discs either! The Dreamcast is probably the second favorite system I own....casual gamers didn't lead to the Dreamcast's demise. Sega did. They sunk a small fortune into a shitty game called Shen Mue that would make Metal Gear Solid 2 look like it was oozing with game play. It was not the system seller Sega thought it would be, and no one with a brain was surprised. They are idiots.
And Capcom? The epitome of greed. They really expect us to pay full price for a collection of Street Fighter 2 games we already bought twice before??? Oooohh look, you can pit SSF2T Ryu versus SF2CE Ken! Holy crap! Someone call Guiness! Its redundancy all over again. Rather than sit down and think of new ideas for the genre, Capcom made rehash after rehash until cranking out that freak show know as Street Fighter 3.
And Capcom? The epitome of greed. They really expect us to pay full price for a collection of Street Fighter 2 games we already bought twice before??? Oooohh look, you can pit SSF2T Ryu versus SF2CE Ken! Holy crap! Someone call Guiness! Its redundancy all over again. Rather than sit down and think of new ideas for the genre, Capcom made rehash after rehash until cranking out that freak show know as Street Fighter 3.
The funniest thing I've seen in this thread is every defense of MS subtitled with the note... ummMS is cool in THIS industry. It's like saying... yeah I know he's a murderer... but he only murders kids... see I'm an adult....
keep the humor coming folks.
It seems like only yesterday people where shitting on Capcom for milking franchises... now OMG we have to protect great developers like Capcom from EA!!!!
STFU and give me my DMC3 my RE4 director's cut... my next VJ....
keep the humor coming folks.
It seems like only yesterday people where shitting on Capcom for milking franchises... now OMG we have to protect great developers like Capcom from EA!!!!
STFU and give me my DMC3 my RE4 director's cut... my next VJ....
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DarienA said:
Shit, Darrien's speaking the truth about a good portion of hypocrites on this board.
Edit: for the record, I am a huge Capcom whore and am hoping that EA does nothing.
Tellaerin said:
I don't believe I ever said anything that stupid.
What is stupid is the idea that you hypocrites actually are supporting certain LEVELS of milking.
I'm sorry how quickly did VJ2 follow VJ?
I can actually feel my IQ being lowered by participating in a thread where people are supporting one milking developer who isn't anywhere near the level they use to be in producing multiple quality products(Capcom) over another larger developer whose product quality also can be questioned(EA).
DarienA said:
Hehe yes that's kinda weird, my way of thinking is complicated, but I can't find a reason to bash MS in a Gaming forum where only videogames matter. I've bashed them dozens of times in other forums including GAF's Offtopic, and trust me MS hasn't made a penny from me EVER (I even bought xbox used just for that reason, even though I had the money to buy it new). I despise their tactics in the PC industry but I have no reason to say something bad about them here as long as they don't start acting Microsoftish in the gaming industry. EA on the other hand is a real threat to the industry and is becoming worse and worse day by day.
Capcom is milking franchises like everyone does (Nintendo, Konami, Square and every publisher I can remember has been accused of it) but please don't compare. The differences are so huge that I find it a waste of time mentioning them (but in case someone wants it I will).
Optimistic
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Crapcom and EA deserve each other. All either developer does is churn out boring sequels to tired franchises. What's the problem?
DarienA said:
Am I a hypocrite?
I've been critical of Capcom's overly-agressive franchise milking here more than once in the past. The difference is that Capcom isn't aggressively acquiring other developers and running them into the ground.
Come on, man. Even you should be able to see that it's not the same thing.
DarienA said:
Capcom usually does that only with their low budget franchises. VJ and some other are treated by Capcom like low importance games. Games which are highly respected have a totally different treatment with RE as the prime example. And why on earth you keep mentioning just Capcom like Namco isn't inluded in the discussion? Also see Tellaerin's post.
M3wThr33 said:I'd be complaing about Capcom if I wasn't a complete sucker for it.
Exactly... most folks accept that their favorite developer has an IP that perhaps in reality DOES come out a bit more often than it should... but they generally like the title or IP an accept it.
I wish I had the post that Doug made in a previous EA hater thread... he pointed out that a few of the developers that EA picked up... older developers that were heavily loved at the time... were actually ALREADY dieing when EA absorbed them.... the fact that they completely died under EA however seems to make people forget that bad state those developers already were in.
Alas I'm being forced to go bowling with the family and can't do the research to go figure out who it was....
Keep the bitchin and moanin goin til I get back in ok?
DarienA said:Exactly... most folks accept that their favorite developer has an IP that perhaps in reality DOES come out a bit more often than it should... but they generally like the title or IP an accept it.
I wish I had the post that Doug made in a previous EA hater thread... he pointed out that a few of the developers that EA picked up... older developers that were heavily loved at the time... were actually ALREADY dieing when EA absorbed them.... the fact that they completely died under EA however seems to make people forget that bad state those developers already were in.
Alas I'm being forced to go bowling with the family and can't do the research to go figure out who it was....
Keep the bitchin and moanin goin til I get back in ok?
You don't get it man. Let's just say that all of the developers that EA bought were dying anyway (highly unlikely btw). Does it still justifies or has anything to do with EA's aggressiveness? NO
One alarming difference between Capcom rehashes and EA rehashes is the audience Capcom has will actually get sick of rehashes. Street Fighter and Megaman's selling power isn't what it used to be. The EA audience, Darien for example, swallows up the sequels with spoonfulls of machismojizz.
And yeah, EA's zealous nature could either do no harm or crash the industry again. It could also take off and turn videogames into a pop culture cesspool. So all bets are off. I still think another Japanese company would step in before letting EA take a Namco or Capcom.
And don't think Microsoft is much different. They've already tried to buy Sega and Nintendo. I doubt they haven't taken a jab at Capcom, too. They've just been turned down as I expect EA to be.
And yeah, EA's zealous nature could either do no harm or crash the industry again. It could also take off and turn videogames into a pop culture cesspool. So all bets are off. I still think another Japanese company would step in before letting EA take a Namco or Capcom.
And don't think Microsoft is much different. They've already tried to buy Sega and Nintendo. I doubt they haven't taken a jab at Capcom, too. They've just been turned down as I expect EA to be.
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The Abominable Snowman
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most people don't like SF3. It's too complex. The best thing about SF2 was it's simplicity: Go over there and just beat ass.
UbiSoftologist
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EA can handily control the industry by owning a 51% stake in Square-Enix, in Ubisoft, and in Activision. Without any merger, EA can still become a quasi-monopoly.