EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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Well ... they were actually kind of right about that tho.
illmatic19
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I'm taking this EDGE article with a grain of salt but it would be a shame if developers had to hold back PS4 versions of multi-platform games to achieve parity with the X1, even if the differences are minimal.
It isn't nonsense. It's all playing the same games through a box that sits near your TV (or monitor) plugged in with the same cabling. Hell even the processors are nearly the same now. Big screen interfaces aren't exclusive to consoles. They just have different names on the front of the box and boot different sets of firmware/OSes nowadays.
The most compelling thing that keeps me buying consoles is first party exclusives, of course, but otherwise the rest of the games are the same and easily comparable.
What do you expect them to say?
Latvian Hitman
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Depends on how you contextualize the idea of "a big difference."
If your idea of "a big difference" is NES to PS3, then there will basically be no difference between XB1 and PS4.
If you see PS2 vs. OG XBOX as a "big difference", then yes- expect a big difference between the two this gen.
I understand, thank you. Do you know the difference between a generic statement and something like "We are 50% faster than our competitors, and they don't have our GDDR5, look at this chart." They could have gone farther, but they didn't. Even Microsoft said the very same thing about the XBO, so these statements are in themselves literally meaningless. You need to do an explicit comparison and point to your competitor if you really want to make a point.
You could argue it was relatively moderate, they could have blown everyone away with facts and figures, up-playing all their specs. Of course they have to have a selling line. It is the most powerful, they are not overly boasting about it with charts and condescending comments.
It this case it's a meaningless buzzword.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Not sure why they would program for the less popular platform first then do PS4 as an afterthought.
dragonelite
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You would almost think that fanboys are like the WH40K orks as long as enough believe in it it will work....
They even are oblivious to the fact Amd will be providing the driver code.
NullPointer
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If the Xbox One was red I'd almost believe it.
Because red things go faster. Waaarrrrggghhh
Microsoft wrote that stuff for their box. Their newer updates DO speed up the games. This, however, is a standard thing that happens to all consoles as they near launch. It goes something like broken -> slightly less broken -> sorta fixed and running ok -> oops we broke it big time -> phew there we go stable -> faster -> faster -> launch
dragonelite
Member
Don't tell but i heard the cooling fan has some red fins...
I have more faith in microsoft writing better drivers then i have in AMD too be honest.
CadetMahoney
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why would a dev force parity. They didn't this gen.
PS4 is 50% faster than xbone so they would lose money from downgrading a game on PS4.
googleplex
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No and No. Consoles are not PC's and vise versa. What the fuck?
This is what happens when PC GAF is allowed to troll every console thread with impunity. Complete and total derailment of the conversation.
I explained my thoughts above. Please refer to that post. Also, I was responding to another user and not purposefully derailing anything.
Basically, outside of first party exclusives (which is why I will be purchasing them!) they all play the same stuff and now even have similar internal guts and operating systems. The lines have blurred, my friend. The differences are in which walled garden (or open platform) you choose and which platform-exclusive software you wish to play.
Some may think Microsoft will threaten parity, if you wanted to take it to a conspiratorial extreme.
"If you don't dial down your PS4 version X amount then we forbid you to put it on our console. Alternatively, we will pay you Y to make them as similar as possible."
Or something like that.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Sony has been very clever is getting the message out loud and clear that the PS4 is more powerful then the Xbox One as they should.
There is nothing modest about that behaviour nor should it be. It's pure marketing and PR work.
Politics doesn't even get a look in here - most devs are likely to use the PC as the lead and then port across to both other platforms. So I don't see any liklihood that devs will code for the lowest common denominator - actually it'll be the highest
Dedicated hardware (DSP) and developer tools that doesn't chew up excessive CPU cycles. Some games sound okay on the PS3 (Motorstorm); but GT5 is terrible IMO. The 360 had a few games which handled audio well, but they were few and far between IMO.
My major beef is that either the audio samples are poor quality; or the dependence on CPU cycles means the audio gets choked out in favor of graphics. It's not only the sampling quality/decoding function, it's also the surrond mix (another issue).
I'm all for great image quality, but I want the sound as well and I think the right combination of dedicated hardware and software tools to access that hardware would make a big difference. I'd like games to approach movie quality sound.
Or maybe I'm just way off base.
NullPointer
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My first gif.
7-12 frames? so if PS4 is at 30fps and we assume a 10fps from your own 7-12 number we have...
30 vs. 20 That ratio looks familiar oh...it's 50% more
You kinda proved yourself wrong on that one buddy.
Forza 5 barely looks improved over 4 in screens. This is not even a joke, I'm pretty sure the car models are identical. I would wait until Forza 6.
LiquidSolid
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If the PS4 outsells the Xbone like most expect, there's nothing Microsoft can do except throw money at the issue. It's the same position Sony were in last gen when they were getting so many shitty ports. What's the worst you can do if you're already behind? Block a game from coming out on your system and potentially drop even further behind?
nothing (you may have guessed this)
Mostly some PC shitstorm came in from the east, but it seems to have cleared up at the moment. Now it's back to the same circular arguments as before.
gundamkyoukai
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As i said it does not matter what you think PC are not consoles .
They have different set of values from software ,types of software , to retail options , control interface standards , upkeep etc etc .
Yes there are things that overlap but that does not make them the same .
SwiftDeath
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Yep I fully expect MS to have to try and push for exclusive games in one way or another to try and increase their install base
I hope as well that they go the 1P route but time and time again they seem far more inclined to rely on timed 3rd party exclusives to "add" to the game catalog
My problem with that approach is a belief that it leads to a lower number of higher quality games overall
Instead of 1P MS studios having to create a new game that must compete with Sony's 1P games AND the game they'd have had to moneyhat, they just go the moneyhat route and we're out a game
Granted not all of those potential 1P games would be good but I think some might've been
I don't know though just my 2 cents
Some 3rd Party exclusives wouldn't exist without support but overall I think it lessons the game pool some
Obviously I apologize for going a little off topic
googleplex
Member
Your thought above don't make a bit if sense.
Your "Box" is modular in nature. Every bit if it can be switched out or upgraded to effect game performance. Not to mention your windows OS, and manual software tweaks. Your box is completely opposite of what consoles are. PC's are not consoles no matter how hard you try and inject them into a conversation that has fuck all to do about your PC.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
True. I was mainly just suggesting that they'll target lead where they'll likely make the most money. If targeting for the LCD was ever the norm (which I've never ever seen happen) then WiiU would be the base target for this gen's development.
Ironchef3500
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Hahaahahah
Compare it that single sentence to Sony's NoDRM stunt or the shot about Microsoft's policy changes. That was not modest. In comparison, "most powerful console" doesn't even appear on the screen. It doesn't even appear on the screen compared to the questionable metrics that other companies like Apple show when they introduce new hardware. Of course, Sony had to talk about what is in the box, because that is what you do when you want to sell a new piece of hardware. But they didn't do much beyond their minimum duty.
Latvian Hitman
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I don't think there's anything to worry about on that front. It looks like PS4 is likely to take a pretty large market share lead in the first year of this generation. MS won't be in much of a position to tell multiplat devs what to do with games that are set to sell 2-3 times more on a competing system.
Cmon PC gaf, you are better than this. usually you don't allow "console enthusiasts" coming to your threads. Show some respect.
Once I posted something in AMD thread (which to me was on Topic) but I didn't see the end of the day because of it.
CadetMahoney
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With a more powerful console and cheaper it's pretty much guaranteed they will win next-gen much more convincingly than they won this one against MS.
jim-jam bongs
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Like I said, I don't think that adding PCs to this conversation makes much sense either, but this is just silly. We don't choose who gets banned, mods do that.
waxer
Member
I always assumed that graphics parity more had to do with cost. In my mind I imagined it as one device being quicker cheaper to get to your goal on so you would spend your resources on the other pushing it as far as you can on your budget(time,money) and matching it with the other.
Because spending more on the faster device to make it even prettier isnt going to make you any more money unless its worse than competing Software on that platform surely?
Because spending more on the faster device to make it even prettier isnt going to make you any more money unless its worse than competing Software on that platform surely?
SwiftDeath
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But how can a PC be compared to a console?
Whose PC do we use?
Yours, mine, some average that is based off steam statistics?
Consoles are standardized, PCs are not
That is the biggest difference you could possibly have between comparisons
What is the standard PC to compare it against? And who agreed upon it?
I honeslty doubt it'll be that big. I think it'll be more like GC to og Xbox, judging from the stuff we've seen like Ryse/Forza and Infamous/KZ.
I swear, if they gimp the PS4 version, I'll stick to PC and just play indie's on that with a few other games. How low and dirty can this damn political debacle get!
Latvian Hitman
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I don't even understand the mentality. As an owner of a decent gaming rig, I can't wait for PS4 to launch. Some games lend themselves to being played on a PC, others to a console. I like having both.
It won't be as big as Xbox to PS2.