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[Zatoichi's Cane]

Microsoft responds to the EDGE report.



Kotaku

aaaaand that is going to be as close as you can get to a confirmation. Nothing denied, nothing corrected, nothing contradicted.

Basically, a statement that pretty much says nothing.

 

[Cess007]

Microsoft responds to the EDGE report.



Kotaku

That should have been their first response when this performance rumors started appearing. Take a step back and let the people who buys their games judge, instead of engaging in a battle of specs and all that.

 

[prwxv3]

"balanced"

didn't Leadbetter try to say the xbone was well balanced while the PS4 was not very balanced.

 

[Iacobellis]

They should have never entered that fight. Even Sony was very, very modest about the PS4's superior spec, giving out almost no statements about how the consoles compare, and those few statements that they did give out were rather veiled. Sure, the enthusiasts on the internet talked about the specs, but all major magazines said almost nothing about it. Many even just said that both consoles are "very similar". Everything Microsoft has done since then has just ignited an unnecessary shitstorm among those who already knew better.

I initially thought you meant this as never going into the console business.

 

[hawk2025]

DriveClub would have been glorious @ 60FPS on X1 if Turn10 handled it, Shame its struggling to achieve 30fps on PS4.

Spoiler

See what I did there?

Yes, you turned off dynamic lighting and time of day changes

 

[Amir0x]

Yes, you turned off dynamic lighting and time of day changes

And real time reflections, none of that fake cheap shit where it's even reflecting the HUD

that said! I still prefer the look of Forza 5 because 60fps is *swoon*

 

[Anonumos]

This is the crucial point for me. If MS are behind, they'll have to fight, which means either investing in more first party titles, or buying third party exclusives.

The good outcome would be MS spending on first party titles for the next five years - not giving up after only a few years.

My concern is that they either do the moneyhat thing which I find a bit cheap, or they just choose not to fight and instead they are happy with relatively low market share but a good income stream from Xbox live subs and digital sales

I really hope they throw all that cash at either first-party games, or getting third-party exclusive new IPs like the rumored Kamiya action game. That's what will get people to really pay attention. They can't compete with the PS4 in terms of specs. They just can't. At this point all they have over Sony is money. Use it to fund/publish awesome games, kind of like what Nintendo is doing with P*

 

[Finalizer]

I must have missed something about that meme, because "Technical Fellow" is a perfectly established term. Other companies are using it as well for distinguished employees that also serve as public figurehead for the company's competence.

Just referring to how the term gained notoriety around here in the first place - the whole "discuss specs, throw out some numbers, then retreat back to 'we'll talk to our tech dudes about it,' rhetoricrhetoricrhetoric" thing from that Penello thread.

I think folks are tickled by the term because, while it may have plenty serious use, it's still kinda silly in that warfighter kind of way.

 

[kasane]

DriveClub would have been glorious @ 60FPS on X1 if Turn10 handled it, Shame its struggling to achieve 30fps on PS4.

Spoiler

See what I did there?

Yes with your glorious pre-baked lighting

 

[squidyj]

Today, I spent £600 on buying samosas, kebabs, sausage rolls, pastries, cakes and basically gave them to everyone in the office to eat as a bit of a mini-party.

I imagine Sony is in a similar mood.

so what you're saying is a 100$ price difference is no big deal. why don't you post the receipt?

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Man, the hits keep on coming. Is there any way left to pretend PS4 doesn't have a clear advantage in power? We got all the "secret sauce" theories out of the way, correct?

You mean among reasonable people? 'Cuz I've seen people posting today that they think the XB1 may come out on top because of drivers.

Drivers. The new secret sauce.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

what do we have here now?

 

[Dictator93]

Microsoft responds to the EDGE report.



Kotaku

The concession and admittance without actually saying it.

 

[dragonelite]

Publishers have been releasing demonstrably inferior ports on the PS3 for the entirety of this generation without any blowback - interesting implication that MS is more pro-active in working with the industry to try and prevent that and use its 'muscle'.

Not entirely sure what leverage MS have though to force publishers down this road - and if they do, why Sony didnt do it this generation to prevent disasters like Skyrim happening on their console.

But Sony made up the bad ports by providing exclusive a large group of people want to play.But Microsoft does seems to have become more aggressive with all the studio they created the last 2 years. But those studios have to prove themselves first.

So i think Microsoft is now in a situation where their exclusive will be bringing people to their consoles and not rely on the better multiplat performance or live functionality. Because Sony has Microsoft beaten in the multimedia app aspect that is just stupid to put those behind a pay wall.

 

[Barzul]

MS's Kotaku response was the best thing they could have done. Wait till launch to compare both systems architecture, if at all. The general public won't care about power if both systems are comparable because more than likely they'll only own one system or the other. Let games do the talking. I personally have not seen anything that suggests a 50% power difference, I have seen very impressive games from both consoles including Ryse, Infamous: SS, Killzone and Forza 5 and the new Driveclub lighting stuff looks really cool, although I'm not into racing games.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

They should have never entered that fight. Even Sony was very, very modest about the PS4's superior spec, giving out almost no statements about how the consoles compare, and those few statements that they did give out were rather veiled. Sure, the enthusiasts on the internet talked about the specs, but all major magazines said almost nothing about it. Many even just said that both consoles are "very similar". Everything Microsoft has done since then has just ignited an unnecessary shitstorm among those who already knew better.

MS made Sony look good so many times i lost count .
If you told anybody some of the things that happen this year with MS PR last year they would think your crazy .
It's amazing to see how all of this happen and play out so far .

 

[kasane]

what do we have here now?

FUD, Drivers, Direct X..

 

[WetWorkzPb]

Remember when ign came out with the worrisome story about the ps4 battlefield 4 downgrade...Was this to maintain "parity" with xbone... We all know about the special relationship EA has with microsoft..

 

[Verendus]

so what you're saying is a 100$ price difference is no big deal. why don't you post the receipt?

$100 is a lot of money.

 

[artist]

what do we have here now?

One of the five stages.

 

[NullPointer]

Drivers. The new secret sauce.

So, balance, reduced bottlenecks, and drivers.

Got it.

Does MS even bring up cloud performance any more?

 

[sixamp]

Are your people crazy? Do you actually think there will b that much of a difference? Yes the ps4 is the more spec'ed out machine but that doesn't mean much. We are not comparing NES to ps3. The hardware inside are extremely similar , graphically both will be equal particles, textures geometry will be the same and if its not thats due to the developers, the ps4 will produce more frames maybe 7-12frames. Other than that there won't be a huge difference like gaf/n4g thinks there will be.

as of today what the xbx1 has shown off looks beautiful. How can anyone actually complain.

 

[Averon]

So, is it safe to say MS recent PR push to muddy the waters between the PS4 and Xbone has been a disaster?

Will Albert and Major now stop using fuzzy math and using questionable technical knowledge?

 

[RobotRocker]

what do we have here now?

We're at the "meltdown on both sides" part of the Console Warrior Grief cycle where the losing side makes things up and the winning side starts going absurdly aggressive and screaming about how they want the competition to die.

The only thing to do is get the popcorn and throw it at them.

 

[timlot]

this has been the best "obvious fact twist" I have ever seen!

You know what "more powerful" means, you just trying to make this narrow definition more ambiguous in order to suit your needs.

by your MACRO definition of power: NES is more powerful than X1 because there is NO load time "snap feature".

see what I mean?

No, I wouldn't say NES is more powerful based one "single feature/capability". But, yes cartridge based systems had no load times so that would be an advantage, but that one advantage doesn't make it a superior system overall. Obviously

 

[IN&OUT]

They should have never entered that fight. Even Sony was very, very modest about the PS4's superior spec, giving out almost no statements about how the consoles compare, and those few statements that they did give out were rather veiled. Sure, the enthusiasts on the internet talked about the specs, but all major magazines said almost nothing about it. Many even just said that both consoles are "very similar". Everything Microsoft has done since then has just ignited an unnecessary shitstorm among those who already knew better.

I don't understand MS anymore. they had all the money in the world to bury Playstation brand along with Sony by introducing a monster of a machine that Sony simply can't match financially, but seems like it wasn't in their vision originally which is fine, and yet the moment they discovered that PS4 is actually more powerful, they started shaking and yelling FUD throughout the internet.

Maybe they thought that we live in 1996 were info and specs can't be discovered and shared easily. backward company is backward.

 

[Toki767]

So, is it safe to say MS recent PR push to muddy the waters between the PS4 and Xbone has been a disaster?

Will Albert and Major now stop using fuzzy math and using questionable technical knowledge?

They'll probably tone it down and go with this approach of the games will speak for themselves.

 

[StevieP]

Have you been reading this thread?

Has every person arguing the merit of the PS4 over the XB1 been belittled and "put in their place" by the mind-bogglingly revelation that a PC can in fact by some miracle of engineering beat the PS4?

No and you know why?

Because everyone has always said the PS4 is the more powerful CONSOLE, not PC, not gaming platform, the most powerful CONSOLE

That's what the argument is about, what the article is about

How is that not obvious to everyone?

You don't like everyone talking about the PS4's capabilities?

Awesome then leave the thread, it really is that simple

This has nothing to do with PC's. I'm sorry you can't see that

Consoles are PCs now... and PCs, really, are consoles. It's all the same cable going into the amp/tv, it's the same multiplatform games, support the same controls, even the interfaces are either similar or the same (but with less ads and no paywalls). I don't mean to continue this thing over and over but I felt that statement needed clarification. If they're all playing the same games through the same cables on the same screen/sound system, the comparisons are absolutely valid. It's unfortunate that they're classified in some alternate-universe type fashion when really it's not the case.

 

[Unknown One]

People that says there is no difference is not going to convince anybody. There was a huge difference between 360 games and PS3 games. You can't argue against that and both were similar in power.

 

[cyberheater]

They should have never entered that fight. Even Sony was very, very modest about the PS4's superior spec

Sure. If you think that saying “it’s the most powerful games console ever created.” is very, very modest.

 

[koryuken]

One developer told them one thing, another told them that it wouldn't happen. Looks like this means EA games will probably be held back on PS4 for sake of parity then.

I hate to be cynical, but I feel like it is already happening with Battlefield 4. I was quite shocked when they said the graphics would be significantly dumbed down from PC, when you can run BF4 quite well on 560TI all settings maxed.

 

[ElTorro]

So, balance, reduced bottlenecks, and drivers.

 

[Amir0x]

You mean among reasonable people? 'Cuz I've seen people posting today that they think the XB1 may come out on top because of drivers.

Drivers. The new secret sauce.

Drivers. Drivers are going to make up the gap? lol

Well, I will say one thing. If this experience has been nothing else, it has been entertaining. People are fascinating in what their allegiances will allow them to rationalize.

 

[Barzul]

The concession and admittance without actually saying it.

How so? They can't prove anything unless they state they have both systems and have benchmarked them. They haven't even released official specs. This is a spokesman addressing an article in a major gaming site, what else were MS supposed to say. Our console is weaker? Our console is stronger? 50% difference does/does not exist? The best move PR wise was the statement that was released 2 months isn't that long a wait.

 

[KAL2006]

I wish Sony would just do this at the VGAs 'PS4 is the most powerful console out right now, but we'll let the games do the talking' then shows 2 mind blowing trailers of Santa Monica and Naughty Dog games that puts all other games graphics to shame.

 

[NullPointer]

Sure. If think that saying “it’s the most powerful games console ever created.” is very, very modest.

True, but that was after MS wouldn't shut up using those very same words every chance they got.

So, yeah, they started it first. Nyah, nyah, nyah.

*eyes slowly well up*

*runs to mom. cries*

For some reason I had the mental image of limo drivers spinning plates, but that works too!

 

[ElTorro]

Sure. If think that saying “it’s the most powerful games console ever created.” is very, very modest.

It is. It is a single, generic sentence without any details. Even Microsoft said the same about the Xbox since the reveal. It is not like those numbers and charts that we saw last gen.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I don't understand MS anymore. they had all the money in the world to bury Playstation brand along with Sony by introducing a monster of a machine that Sony simply can't match financially, but seems like it wasn't in their vision originally which is fine, and yet the moment they discovered that PS4 is actually more powerful, they started shaking and yelling FUD throughout the internet.

Maybe they thought that we live in 1996 were info and specs can't be discovered and shared easily. backward company is backward.

Microsoft are a very confused company at the moment. They're basically realising that their core business (Windows) is propping up the rest of the company, so they're trying to tie together mobile, tablet, portable, gaming and desktop markets in the hope that they will begin to magically improve their fortunes in each.

 

[NoTacos]

Has either Penello or Major come back to refute this further on NeoGAF or have they realized we use critical thinking and can't be bullshitted?

LOL a cookie for you

 

[Skeff]

Sure. If you think that saying “it’s the most powerful games console ever created.” is very, very modest.

Hey, both sides did that., but one of them wasn't lying, although One was.

 

[Chobel]

All just acting, bet he is a nice and calm guy.

You're killing it lately with those gifs, and killing me.
Bravo sir.

 

[GameSeeker]

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

I made no mention of Digital Foundry comparisons, said nothing about MS titles looking like duds or absolutely lame compared to PS4. So save me the trouble and shop that nonsense elsewhere.

I am telling you "like it is" based on experience. Waiting until next year isn't moving the goalposts, it's the intelligent thing to do based on greater familiarity with the hardware and not rushing a title to market in order to hit launch. Killer Instinct looks great, DR3 will be fun and I know full well that Halo and whatever Black Tusk is working on will bring it - but none of that changes the hardware specs out of the gate, and that sharing of tribal knowledge will also be occurring on the Sony side of things at well.

tl;dr - your talk of shifting goalposts in light of your posts makes for delicious ironing

Bishoptl's posts need to be quoted. Sanity in a sea of madness.

 

[Freki]

Drivers. Drivers are going to make up the gap? lol

Well, I will say one thing. If this experience has been nothing else, it has been entertaining. People are fascinating in what their allegiances will allow them to rationalize.

No. Balanced drivers developed by the people who invented DirectX who are supervised by technical fellows will make up the gap....

 

[PsihoPerihelion]

I will never take EDGE seriously again after that "This is your next-gen console cover." I'm not even considering a XOne and I have nothing but praise for the PS4, but good lord that cover was the R word.

 

[cyberheater]

It is. It is a single, generic sentence without any details. Even Microsoft said the same about the Xbox since the reveal. It is not like those numbers and charts that we saw last gen.

Clearly you don't understand what modest means. Here. I'll help you.

mod·est
/ˈmädəst/
Adjective
- Unassuming or moderate in the estimation of one's abilities or achievements.
- (of an amount, rate, or level of something) Relatively moderate, limited, or small.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Consoles are PCs now... and PCs, really, are consoles. It's all the same cable going into the amp/tv, it's the same multiplatform games, support the same controls, even the interfaces are either similar or the same (but with less ads and no paywalls). I don't mean to continue this thing over and over but I felt that statement needed clarification. If they're all playing the same games through the same cables on the same screen/sound system, the comparisons are absolutely valid. It's unfortunate that they're classified in some alternate-universe type fashion when really it's not the case.

Nonsense PC are not consoles no matter how much you think they are .
In fact most of my friends don't even own PCs anymore so you try telling them that .

 

[squidyj]

$100 is a lot of money.

but that's not what Lunchbox said.

 

[DragonSworne]

Can anyone explain to me how the Xbox One architecture is balanced? It looks like damn mess.

so many compromises have been made because of slow ass DDR3. Wasted silicon space on the APU, extra chips and memory pools all make for one messy unbalanced system in my opinion.

 

[artist]

Sure. If you think that saying “it’s the most powerful games console ever created.” is very, very modest.

It is .. the fact that they havent gone into these pissing contests that Penello/Hyrb seem to be loving, shows immaculate self-constraint. It's like the self-belief that Sony is showing is actually a little too much to digest.

 

[kasane]

I will never take EDGE seriously again after that "This is your next-gen console cover." I'm not even considering a XOne and I have nothing but praise for the PS4, but good lord that cover was the R word.

So you also hated the MS and Nintendo covers?