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[JimiNutz]

Is Sony leave EU last then they will lose customers, especially in the UK.

From a personal perspective I will be getting a new console this year if they launch before my Birthday on December 1st.
If Sony isn't out by that date then I'll just go with MS (so long as both consoles are similar in power, services, games etc. - which I expect they will be).

 

[Nachtmaer]

It's by far the most likely answer anyway, just wanted to put that into perspective. If they go with a better type of memory Microsoft should be legitimately concerned since their console won't have a single performance advantage over the PS4.

Like DBT85 said, the other option would be going with stacked memory. This is what I'm hoping for because it sounds a whole lot more interesting than just using GDDR5. The problem is that it's relatively new, especially on this scale. Perhaps Sony wanted to go this route the first place but in the end they had to fall back to GDDR5 (if they wanted to keep the high bandwidth) because stacking wasn't ready. No doubt that stacked memory will be the future; high bandwidth, lower latency, lower power consumption and eventually lower costs. Sadly we aren't there yet.

 

[ibun]

its too early for any announcement i think, considering the 2005 E3 desaster, announcing a console and it will be out 1 1/2 Years Later. PS3 still has a lot of untabbed potential. to be honest, i wouldnt need a "touch"ShockAxis Pad and especially not "share" button. they could have implemented it in the "PS"button subsection as a menu "Share". Quit Game, Change Controller, Shutdown Console....Share" and have another menu beneath this "share to : PSN,Youtube, FB,Twitter, G+, Photobucket, Picassa..."

 

[Jonm1010]

Please Sony, all I ask is that if you redesign the controller you swap the left analog stick with d-pad.

The touchpad sounds nice and all but for the love of god just suck it up and admit Microsoft developed the better gamepad and copy it.

 

[Dead Man]

Please Sony, all I ask is that if you redesign the controller you swap the left analog stick with d-pad.

The touchpad sounds nice and all but for the love of god just suck it up and admit Microsoft developed the better gamepad and copy it.

They should copy those switchable designs that could be swapped around so everyone is happy, I prefer symetrical controllers.

 

[RaijinFY]

Am I the only one who still isn't sold on GDDR5? Perhaps I'm too skeptical but as far as I know, it never was really confirmed by rumours (as much as confirmation goes with these things). People just assumed it was GDDR5 because of the bandwidth.

Also people expecting 8GB of it is just silly. It'd require twice the memory chips, a bigger memory controller (unless they go with clamshell) and not to mention the added cost and heat.

6GB might seem as a nice compromise but even that would require a redesigned memory controller. This won't happen either, unless Sony planned on it a long time ago.

Well this is the only way they could do it.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Exactly how I feel. I will still buy the bugger, but it is annoying that they keep pulling this rubbish. If MS can do it, they can too. The sprouts!

MS didn't do it last gen, why is everyone sure they can this gen?

 

[Bojanglez]

Please Sony, all I ask is that if you redesign the controller you swap the left analog stick with d-pad.

I really don't understand why people want offset analogue sticks, it seems awkward to have thumbs not resting parallel on the sticks. I guess it is personal preference, but personally I hope they stay as they are.

 

[Jonm1010]

They should copy those switchable designs that could be swapped around so everyone is happy, I prefer symetrical controllers.

I'd be ok with this compromise.

 

[Gen X]

2014 Europe launch? Fuck that.

Why is Sony so inept at launching consoles in Europe? Why can't they launch it in 2013? I'll most likely have exams during the period the PS4 is launched in the UK.

Sony is stocking up on 3D Bravias to give away at the official launch in London. ;-)

Spoiler

For those that didn't know, everyone who picked up a PS3 at the official launch in early 2007 got a free HDTV and a paid taxi home

 

[Officerrob]

MS didn't do it last gen, why is everyone sure they can this gen?

The 360 release was staggered in the three major territories by a couple weeks, not several months. In fact, they were all released within 30 days (Japan being last). That's quite a bit better than one region coming out months later. The thing with Microsoft is, they can really afford to push back the launch in Japan for a little while, because it's already dead there

 

[kitch9]

Is Sony leave EU last then they will lose customers, especially in the UK.

From a personal perspective I will be getting a new console this year if they launch before my Birthday on December 1st.
If Sony isn't out by that date then I'll just go with MS (so long as both consoles are similar in power, services, games etc. - which I expect they will be).

It depends on how many units can be provided at launch for each market... You are usually talking 10s of thousands at most for each country at launch for the first few months so it will be no great loss unless MS can somehow flood the market with units which I doubt.

 

[KAL2006]

Sony should launch in NA and EU first. And JPN last, the Japanese prefer their handhelds anyway, plus I have a feeling most games will be western games anyway just like games of this generation.

 

[Wind's Howling]

I am fine with the 2014 EU release since it gives me plenty of information from the US whether it will have issues or not. I have dealt with that RROD shit from the Xbox 360 and I am not willing to go through that again.

 

[Bojanglez]

On the plus side, a later EU release should bring a bigger catalogue of games for them to spoil PS+ subscribers with.

 

[itf56]

I don't really understand (unless there's massive supply constraint) why Sony would deliberately miss Christmas in Europe and lose out on all those sales, especially if MS gets theirs out here by then. I'll buy both whenever they come out, so I'll be happy if either arrives this year, honestly.

 

[kitch9]

I don't really understand (unless there's massive supply constraint) why Sony would deliberately miss Christmas in Europe and lose out on all those sales, especially if MS gets theirs out here by then. I'll buy both whenever they come out, so I'll be happy if either arrives this year, honestly.

It's always been the same...

 

[Phire Phox]

I don't see why it shouldn't come out this year in Europe. The reason PS3 missed a 06 euro release was because they manufacturing issues with the Blu Ray drive. It shouldn't be a problem for PS4.

 

[Quasar]

Fuck Sony if they leave the EU and Australia last again. Bastards. I'll still buy, but that shits me.

I don't mind that much. Gives them time to have some software worth a damn. At least theoretically.

 

[Mully]

I don't really understand (unless there's massive supply constraint) why Sony would deliberately miss Christmas in Europe and lose out on all those sales, especially if MS gets theirs out here by then. I'll buy both whenever they come out, so I'll be happy if either arrives this year, honestly.

Console generations aren't a sure thing, but Sony dominance in Europe the past two generations has made it nearly that for the next generation.

Sony probably thinks they can get away with launching the PS4 later and moving all of the supply to the US for the holiday season.

 

[Chuck Norris]

I don't really understand (unless there's massive supply constraint) why Sony would deliberately miss Christmas in Europe and lose out on all those sales, especially if MS gets theirs out here by then. I'll buy both whenever they come out, so I'll be happy if either arrives this year, honestly.

They can only manufacture so much. Say hypothetically they can manufacture a million for 2013. They can give 500k to US and 500k to Japan and sell them all - or they can put 333k into Europe, Japan and US each. Either way, they are only selling 1 million.

 

[Dead Man]

I don't mind that much. Gives them time to have some software worth a damn. At least theoretically.

True enough, and I won't be jumping on day one anyway, but it still shits me on principle.

 

[Ravage]

I'll be fucking pissed if they change the symmetrical stick layout.

 

[Forsete]

EU last again? Pfft, like that was ever going to change. :'(

8GB GDDR5? Sure. Its all part of Edges master anti-Sony plan. Claim 8GB now, when it is announced with only 4GB they can say "SONY DOWNGRADED!".. Master plan indeed.

Spoiler

The last bit is a joke.

 

[Router]

Sony is stocking up on 3D Bravias to give away at the official launch in London. ;-)

Spoiler

For those that didn't know, everyone who picked up a PS3 at the official launch in early 2007 got a free HDTV and a paid taxi home

And still felt fucked over at that price.

 

[FatalMuzza]

It definitely can. I'm not a tech guy myself, but I was pointed to a comparison that seems to make the case pretty clearly: these Anandtech benchmarks.

The GT 640 card has a higher core clock and 2GB of RAM versus 1GB in the GTS 450. Yet the GTS card handily outperforms it due to the half-sized RAM being GDDR5 instead of DDR3 (according to the GT review).

Pretty sure there would have been system ram backing up those cards. If anything it proves a point, pool of generic ram supplemented by small amount of fast gfx ram is the way to go.

And with unified ram where textures don't need to be copied from one pool to another, even a smaller amount of fast ram may be sufficient. Perhaps a tiny 32 meg supplemented with some secret sauce and ample DDR may be the smarter architecture?

Suffice it to say, the waiting game needs to be played by all of us.

 

[onimushroom]

You really expected something different? Jeez, I'm from Aus so its the same thing - it's just par for the course

It really didn't even cross my mind. Oh well...

 

[alundra]

no love for EURO again ?
the first to come in euro , will have my money

Spoiler

beside nintendo

 

[DBT85]

suck it up and admit Microsoft developed the better gamepad and copy it.

In your opinion.

 

[Toki767]

The only part of the 360 controller I want Sony to copy are the concave triggers and analog sticks. Where they're placed are fine with me.

 

[Dr. Acid Avatar]

Does anyone recall how bad PS2 and PS3 shortages were here in the US when they launched?

 

[Unknown One]

360 pad is not perfect.

Cons

1. Rounded face buttons are terrible for mashing.
2. The bumpers are inferior to L1/R2 for mashing as well.
3. The D-Pad is a laughingstock.

Pros

1. It has a heavier analog and concave grip that's a plus.
2. It also have better triggers.
3. It's heavier.

Both controllers have cons. Personally it doesn't matter where the analogs are placed for me. I can adapt to it.

 

[stryke]

its too early for any announcement i think, considering the 2005 E3 desaster, announcing a console and it will be out 1 1/2 Years Later. PS3 still has a lot of untabbed potential.

No, I think it's tapped out...it's just doing consistently.

 

[Toki767]

Does anyone recall how bad PS2 and PS3 shortages were here in the US when they launched?

PS2 only had 500K units in the US when it launched. I believe there was a shortage by the time Christmas hit.

PS3...well...someone should get that gif of Jack saying he'd pay $1200 for a PS3 on store shelves.

 

[MoogleWizard]

Is Sony leave EU last then they will lose customers, especially in the UK.

From a personal perspective I will be getting a new console this year if they launch before my Birthday on December 1st.
If Sony isn't out by that date then I'll just go with MS (so long as both consoles are similar in power, services, games etc. - which I expect they will be).

Xbox live sucks in Europe except for the UK. I won't pay for online period, especially not if MS can't offer me intersting services. Sony won't have to worry about MS in mainland Europe, the PS3 launched more than a year after the 360 in Europe and it didn't matter, I doubt the time difference will be that big this time and it won't matter anyway. Some of you don't know how unpopular Xbox is in Europe. I mean despite the year head start, Sony's massive fuck ups with the PS3 and the 360's dominance in the US, it still wasn't able to beat the PS3 ww.

 

[libregkd]

The only part of the 360 controller I want Sony to copy are the concave triggers and analog sticks. Where they're placed are fine with me.

Pretty much this. I find myself having to adjust mid movement during a lot of games after keeping the sticks in the same position for an extended period of time, thumb slowly starts to just slip off. Concave sticks would be ace.

 

[Beermeister]

EU: March 2014. Believe.

 

[gofreak]

EU: March 2014. Believe.

The most likely month for sure. Someone in another thread also said a friend in Sony Portugal told him March. This was before Edge's report.

I hope the system has the same account setup as PS3 (vs Vita...) and is still region free. I'd definitely import a US machine this year if it is.

 

[Zeal]

All I gotta say is thank god next-gen is keeping some form of controller. I think the industry realizes at this point that not everyone wants a magic wand and let's pretend with hands bullshit.

The day the controller dies is the day I quit gaming.

What's that? Oh right. Here, I'll do it for you.

/cue master race GAF posting picture of keyboard/mouse + snarky superior control comment.

 

[Melchiah]

Pretty much what I was thinking, how many EU people today are still pissed that the PS3 was released in March 2007 instead of November 2006?

I am, but not only due to the later release, but getting only a partial backwards compatibility, and being forced to pay the same 599€ for it. And IIRC, the EU models were made in China, and had a noisier fan.

 

[waypoetic]

EU: March 2014. Believe.

Shuuuuut uuuuuup.

 

[Dead Man]

The only part of the 360 controller I want Sony to copy are the concave triggers and analog sticks. Where they're placed are fine with me.

Yeah, pretty much, I hate the shape of the sticks and triggers on the Dual Shock. Oh, and the hinge point on the triggers.

 

[KAL2006]

360 pad is not perfect.

Cons

1. Rounded face buttons are terrible for mashing.
2. The bumpers are inferior to L1/R2 for mashing as well.
3. The D-Pad is a laughingstock.

Pros

1. It has a heavier analog and concave grip that's a plus.
2. It also have better triggers.
3. It's heavier.

Both controllers have cons. Personally it doesn't matter where the analogs are placed for me. I can adapt to it.

The perfect controller would be a combination of both.
PS4 controller should stay the same but change the following
-L2/R2 triggers like 360
-Similar analogs as 360 (though keep the placement)
-Longer and bigger handles for better grip
-Vita Dpad
-Gyro

 

[DBT85]

When do we think they'll drop in the US? Assuming it is the first region, do we think in time for Thanksgiving or in time for Christmas?

Being there in time for either is going to need a fair amount of units to not sell out I would have thought. But if they can launch for Thanksgiving then I wonder if they would launch in the EU earlier in 2013 than the March people have been speculating. Maybe Early Feb?

If they told Europe that it was out a few (4-6) weeks after Christmas and assuming the XB3 was out in time for Christmas they might just hold some people off to wait.

 

[Melchiah]

360 pad is not perfect.

Cons

1. Rounded face buttons are terrible for mashing.
2. The bumpers are inferior to L1/R2 for mashing as well.
3. The D-Pad is a laughingstock.

Pros

1. It has a heavier analog and concave grip that's a plus.
2. It also have better triggers.
   [*]It's heavier.

Both controllers have cons. Personally it doesn't matter where the analogs are placed for me. I can adapt to it.

How's that a plus? The lighter the controller, the less strain during longer playing sessions. I, for one, play sometimes 5-9 hours in a row.

The concave sticks on 360 pad made my thumbs sore during Mass Effect marathon, which has never happened with DualShock.

 

[Moosichu]

I am, but not only due to the later release, but getting only a partial backwards compatibility, and being forced to pay the same 599€ for it. And IIRC, the EU models were made in China, and had a noisier fan.

But after many firmware updates the emulation ability of the EU PS3s now almost matches the US ones. So it's not to bad.

 

[Toki767]

When do we think they'll drop in the US? Assuming it is the first region, do we think in time for Thanksgiving or in time for Christmas?

Being there in time for either is going to need a fair amount of units to not sell out I would have thought. But if they can launch for Thanksgiving then I wonder if they would launch in the EU earlier in 2013 than the March people have been speculating. Maybe Early Feb?

If they told Europe that it was out a few (4-6) weeks after Christmas and assuming the XB3 was out in time for Christmas they might just hold some people off to wait.

If that 270 days is to be believed, that would put it at a little under 9 months after the event on the 20th, so it would come out a week or two before Black Friday.

 

[Unknown One]

How's that a plus? The lighter the controller, the less strain during longer playing sessions. I, for one, play sometimes 5-9 hours in a row.

The concave sticks on 360 pad made my thumbs sore during Mass Effect marathon, which has never happened with DualShock.

In a way, yes. People often complained that the sixaxis felt cheap because of how light it was and when the DS3 came out it felt better because it was a bit more heavier. I would personally go for a perfect weight balance. Not too heavy and not too light.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Fuck Sony if they leave the EU and Australia last again. Bastards. I'll still buy, but that shits me.

I will be happy if it is easy to develop for.

Exactly how I feel. I will still buy the bugger, but it is annoying that they keep pulling this rubbish. If MS can do it, they can too. The sprouts!

Sometimes there's an advantage to that. Know the issues with it before you get it etc. Like the Wii U launch for example.

 

[Melchiah]

As for the EU release: Come on, it is just a few months difference. >_>

Seems like that few months difference is a big deal when the tables have been turned, as evidenced by the PS+ threads. And I imagine the whining would be the same, or even worse, if the PS4 was released in NA in 2014.