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[pubba]

I'm genuinely surprised that the share feature is getting so much love. I can't remember ever thinking 'wow what I just did in this game is so awesome, I need to upload a video of it to the Internet'. Maybe it's more for people who play MP games and want top to show off their sniping kills or frags or whatever those crazy kids call it.

And to the Europeans complaining about the delayed launch: it's because your region has about 300 different languages and different restrictions, compliance guidelines etc etc to deal with.

I've already preordered from a place in Hong Kong. All aboard the Sony hype train!

 

[DieH@rd]

I think I've heard somewhere that edram transistors can be packed denser than logic transistors, not sure if it's really true.

Yes they can be produced in 14nm, but you can mix tranzistor sizes inside of an APU/SoC.

edit- goddamn, i meat to say CANT!!! Note to myself: dont post @ 3AM

 

[Felix Lighter]

Do you guys reckon people on PS3s will show up on the Freinds List on PS4, and you'll be able to send messages between them? Maybe even play backwards compatible games between them (lol)

They really should. I don't know about BC but having friends show up on your PS3 friends list playing PS4 and vice versa does 2 big things. It advertises the console and games to PS3 owners by showing them what their friends are playing and it makes the PS4 feel more social even when its userbase is at its lowest.

 

[Shayan]

Yes they can be produced in 14nm, but you can mix tranzistor sizes inside of an APU/SoC.

true so the chances of x720 having a very big die could be overexaggerated

 

[TGO]

They really should. I don't know about BC but having friends show up on your PS3 friends list playing PS4 and vice versa does 2 big things. It advertises the console and games to PS3 owners by showing them what their friends are playing and it makes the PS4 feel more social even when its userbase is at its lowest.

This is why I want it to be BC, people can play the newest PS4 game and their mates can see it, then jump out and join them in the PS3 game their friend is playing and brag lol

 

[The_Hitcher89]

They really should. I don't know about BC but having friends show up on your PS3 friends list playing PS4 and vice versa does 2 big things. It advertises the console and games to PS3 owners by showing them what their friends are playing and it makes the PS4 feel more social even when its userbase is at its lowest.

It would be a particularly good move if we could directly Share videos from the PS4 games with our Friends, without youtube uploading and rubbish like that. 'This feature is great, and this game looks great. Buy a fucking PS4'

 

[VIDEOGAMESYAY]

I think the (presumed) power advantage of PS4 will mostly manifest itself (WRT third party games) in higher frame-rates and perhaps better anti-aliasing. that's what we've seen with PC games this gen. most third party games will be developed for both Orbis and Durango, and expecting extra development effort to take advantage of any hardware advantage Orbis possesses is simply a nice dream.

 

[Man]

Being better at high fps and PQ are the most important graphical features in my book.

 

[Felix Lighter]

That would be the positive aspect of developers targeting the lowest common denominator, while both machines share similar architecture. The extra power would hopefully translate to IQ or framerate improvements. Both of those aspects have been so low priority this gen, it would be refreshing. However, I really don't want either box to be an anchor during the entire generation, so I hope the real world performance difference ends up being relatively minor.

 

[I H8 Memes]

nextgen console with 8GB will inevitably have a big OS pool
i think devkit can use OS pool for dev tools, big OS pool is manly empty buffers

This is what I was just coming to say. If this is true then the rumored 3GB's reserved for OS must be true.

 

[endlessflood]

So can anyone with a Vita tell me how the trackpad has been used by games (or anything else) so far on that system?

 

[Shayan]

I think the (presumed) power advantage of PS4 will mostly manifest itself (WRT third party games) in higher frame-rates and perhaps better anti-aliasing. that's what we've seen with PC games this gen. most third party games will be developed for both Orbis and Durango, and expecting extra development effort to take advantage of any hardware advantage Orbis possesses is simply a nice dream.

actually

with next gen people expect game chars to exhibit greater AI alongside GFX

remember heavenly sword with 1000 enemies on screen ? It has that many enemies but not with 1000 AI routines being executed concurrently for all those 1000 chars. with PS4 people would want to see that

In other words many would want to see REAL motorstorm trailer being played realtime in all its glory


personally, considering ps4 is still a closed system, i expect great leaps in AI and gameplay along with graphics

 

[Cromat]

If the specs are to be believed that one system would sport more muscle in gfx and gameplay over the other

multiplat games might look same but if you look at ps3, most people buy it for its great line up of exclusive games

if both are launched at the same time, the one offering better gfx/gameplay will likely sell most. Ofcourse , it seems each system is trying to cater to different audience alongside the Hardcore ones. This is main reason for the systems having a major difference in RAM amount/type

I will pay extra as long as i get exclusives that differentiate my system

Exclusives are important to people in this forum but they've lost their decisive role in the market. Other than Halo maybe I can't even think of any exclusive Microsoft and Sony have that could make a huge difference.

These two consoles are going to be perceived as substitutes and the cheaper one would sell better. The difference in graphics between these two would not be noticeable. The PS3 was supposed to have prettier third-party games but that quickly amounted to nothing because developers simply can't be bothered to make the effort to use the extra power on one of the system, and also because it's self-defeating in a way (makes the other version look worse).

So if exclusives aren't that important to the general population, the only things that can really differentiate between the two consoles is input method (Kinect vs. touch-enabled DualShock) and price. Out of these two I'd say price is much more important. If one system is even $50 cheaper it would have an advantage.

 

[Shayan]

Exclusives are important to people in this forum but they've lost their decisive role in the market. Other than Halo maybe I can't even think of any exclusive Microsoft and Sony have that could make a huge difference.

These two consoles are going to be perceived as substitutes and the cheaper one would sell better. The difference in graphics between these two would not be noticeable. The PS3 was supposed to have prettier third-party games but that quickly amounted to nothing because developers simply can't be bothered to make the effort to use the extra power on one of the system, and also because it's self-defeating in a way (makes the other version look worse).

So if exclusives aren't that important to the general population, the only things that can really differentiate between the two consoles is input method (Kinect vs. touch-enabled DualShock) and price. Out of these two I'd say price is much more important. If one system is even $50 cheaper it would have an advantage.

Thats not true. GT is a huge system seller in Europe/Asia and ofcourse Uncharted series is also sorta system seller in Europe. MGS4 was also a system seller in USA for a month

Ask people in the PAL and ASIA why they purchase a PS3? almost everyone would mention 1 exclusive ps franchise

The reason why those exclusives didnt make that big an impact is because all of a sudden multiplat fps like COD/BF became popular among casuals and they were on both systems

With PS4 , SONY can wow us with KZ4 and make an everlasting impact throughout the generation

 

[ProfessorMoran]

Roxanne you dun haf to put on the red light those day r over u dun haf to sell ur body to the nite

 

[i-Lo]

Can members like Thuway, GopherD or lherre indicate whether they have come across some hearsay about Sony's rumoured nebulous desire to match MS's RAM amount besides from EDGE?

 

[artist]

Whoops, misunderstood the post.

 

[meta4]

Can members like Thuway, GopherD or lherre indicate whether they have come across some hearsay about Sony's rumoured nebulous desire to match MS's RAM amount besides from EDGE?

Thuway said 8GB GDDR5 is a fantasy and is not happening.

 

[i-Lo]

Thuway said 8GB GDDR5 is a fantasy and is not happening.

Makes me wonder why did EDGE feel so compelled to mention such a rumour that is so opposed by people here who claim to be in the know...

That said, the rumour neither specified type of RAM nor that it could be the amount available for making games.

 

[rudieboy77]

If Sony doesn't have enough hardware to sell in all areas at once, wouldn't it make sense for them to launch first in the area's they are strongest in? I mean if this story is true Sony should come out first in Europe, then later in North America. If all things are fairly equal the Xbox will sell more consoles in North America vs. Europe.

 

[RoboPlato]

Makes me wonder why did EDGE feel so compelled to mention such a rumour that is so opposed by people here who claim to be in the know...

That said, the rumour neither specified type of RAM nor that it could be the amount available for making games.

I think it was just poor phrasing on their part. I assume it meant in terms of performance, not amount. The only way I could see the RAM situation changing is if they've lowered the OS requirement with the lite OS mode or they've switched over to stacked RAM, which seems very unlikely.

 

[Truespeed]

All this talk of who is more powerful, the new Xbox or the new Playstation is absolutely pointless.

The vast majority of third-party games will definitely be multiplatform to cover the development costs. If the games are produced for both systems, then the level of graphics is determined by the weaker of the two, the lowest common denominator.

It's just like PS2 and Xbox, PS3 and 360. For multiplatform games, the difference in tech usually doesn't result in a significant difference in graphics. Exclusives are also getting more and more irrelevant.

In short, which system is more powerful might be interesting from a developer or business point of view but it's pretty irrelevant for consumers. I would just buy the one that is cheaper, unless the other has some amazing unique hardware/software feature.

Not really. They'll both use the same assets for the most part, but the platform that ends up being the lead in multi-platform development will get all of the attention and TLC while the lesser system will get the B Team down port that reviewers never see.

 

[Ether_Snake]

If Sony doesn't have enough hardware to sell in all areas at once, wouldn't it make sense for them to launch first in the area's they are strongest in? I mean if this story is true Sony should come out first in Europe, then later in North America. If all things are fairly equal the Xbox will sell more consoles in North America vs. Europe.

Yeah but they probably take Europe for granted, so they don't want to leave the US to MS for a few months. They want to grow in the US.

 

[RoboPlato]

Yeah but they probably take Europe for granted, so they don't want to leave the US to MS for a few months. They want to grow in the US.

Yeah, they need to get out in the US as early as possible to prevent MS from getting a head start and to capitalize on the holiday season since it's huge over here. I still think they should have made Japan wait until 2014 given how small the console market is over there these days but given the fact that it's so small and wouldn't need too much stock I guess it makes more sense than having to try to deal with all of the European countries at once.

 

[Graphics Horse]

If Sony doesn't have enough hardware to sell in all areas at once, wouldn't it make sense for them to launch first in the area's they are strongest in? I mean if this story is true Sony should come out first in Europe, then later in North America. If all things are fairly equal the Xbox will sell more consoles in North America vs. Europe.

That was exactly what Kaz Hirai said about the release order of their Xperia phones. But I imagine things will be a bit different with consoles as they feel they've got more to gain from the USA.

 

[i-Lo]

I think it was just poor phrasing on their part. I assume it meant in terms of performance, not amount. The only way I could see the RAM situation changing is if they've lowered the OS requirement with the lite OS mode or they've switched over to stacked RAM, which seems very unlikely.

Could be, however:

• EDGE is British, the birthplace of English
• Editorial should have ensured clarity for a statement that obviously has such great implication

So I am not so sure that they would either deliberately mislead or be so incompetent as to write up something they ought to have realised by now was in error and still ignore it days after it has been published.

 

[AkIRA_22]

Yeah but they probably take Europe for granted, so they don't want to leave the US to MS for a few months. They want to grow in the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if Japan was last! The only market where Sony is basically guaranteed to annihilate MS is Japan. Europe is definitely a Sony territory but it's not as safe as Japan. Plus the whole holiday season is just bigger in Western nations and it's critical Sony get as many consoles under as many trees as possible.

Of course it might be wishful thinking.

 

[beast786]

I think the big thing is going to be between live and PSN. Sony went from barebones of PSN to some what respectable with features still missing. Question is what will happen now.

I remember times when there you couldn't get to XMB from in game, no trophies etc...

So I'll give Sony credit to lessen the gap. But the way degital market is setup. I believe the services will be difference maker for a lot of people including casual, I believe MS recognizes it and will throw the whole kitchen sink at it. might also explain the 3GB for OS.

 

[RoboPlato]

Could be, however:

• EDGE is British, the birthplace of English
• Editorial should have ensured clarity for a statement that obviously has such great implication

So I am not so sure that they would either deliberately mislead or be so incompetent as to write up something they ought to have realised by now was in error and still ignore it days after it has been published.

True but I'd still take it with a grain of salt. The only other way I could see it happening is if the RAM got upped to 6Gb, leaving 5.5 available for games. It would be pretty close to Durango in terms of amount available for games at that point since I'm not expecting the 3Gb OS number to hold. A highly unlikely scenario though.

 

[Ashes]

'Pushing for' is not the same as 'having'.

Speculation and rumour is well speculation and rumour.

 

[i-Lo]

True but I'd still take it with a grain of salt. The only other way I could see it happening is if the RAM got upped to 6Gb, leaving 5.5 available for games. It would be pretty close to Durango in terms of amount at that point since I'm not expecting the 3Gb OS number to hold. A highly unlikely scenario though.

'Pushing for' is not the same as 'having'.

Speculation and rumour is well speculation and rumour.

True. That said, upping the 4GB to 4.5-6GB could perhaps come truly handy down the line.

 

[spwolf]

who knows maybe they will go for 32 GB.

 

[Truespeed]

who knows maybe they will go for 32 GB.

Or maybe 32 Gb.

 

[Sky Chief]

Do you guys reckon people on PS3s will show up on the Freinds List on PS4, and you'll be able to send messages between them? Maybe even play backwards compatible games between them (lol)

Of course, It works that way between PS3 and Vita

 

[Dead Prince]

I think the big thing is going to be between live and PSN. Sony went from barebones of PSN to some what respectable with features still missing. Question is what will happen now.

I remember times when there you couldn't get to XMB from in game, no trophies etc...

So I'll give Sony credit to lessen the gap. But the way degital market is setup. I believe the services will be difference maker for a lot of people including casual, I believe MS recognizes it and will throw the whole kitchen sink at it. might also explain the 3GB for OS.

universal cross-game chat plz. heck. video chat like when they first shown it.

 

[Ashes]

True. That said, upping the 4GB to 4.5-6GB could perhaps come truly handy down the line.

I'd say go for 8GB. Far too many gaffers think there is parity between 8GB DDR3 and 4GB GDDR5. Or that this the chief differentiator.

We live in a world where the chief differentiator between a £700+ ipad and a £300 ipad is hard drive size.

 

[i-Lo]

I'd say go for 8GB. Far too many gaffers think there is parity between 8GB DDR3 and 4GB GDDR5. Or that this the chief differentiator.

We live in a world where the chief differentiator between a £700+ ipad and a £300 ipad is hard drive size.

True but people will claim (rightly) that a tablet like that offers more functionality and portability than the a home console. People have to remember that the primary function of home gaming console is to play games. And to that end they should ensure proper technological leap given gaming consoles, unlike DVRs or other media hubs, do not have the luxury to iterate on that base hardware every single year in terms of core processing power or capabilities. So, they need to lock it down with the best they can to ensure it can grow, thrive and survive in the market for the next 6-8 years.

While I think attaining 8GB GDDR5 is out of the realm of possibility as it stands today (for $400), upping it 5 or 6 (or somewhere in between) is still scarce possibility.

 

[spwolf]

I'd say go for 8GB. Far too many gaffers think there is parity between 8GB DDR3 and 4GB GDDR5. Or that this the chief differentiator.

We live in a world where the chief differentiator between a £700+ ipad and a £300 ipad is hard drive size.

they should add 4 GB of DDR3 and up their bandwidth to 240 GBs.

 

[iamvin22]

yosp tweet.

Shuhei Yoshida ‏@yosp

Just listened to an emergency episode of Podcast Beyond!...making predictions about the event, and singing


:O

 

[nib95]

I know I've said this before, but it's a silly move to go 8GB GDDR5. Waste of money. Spend the difference on getting in a better GPU. That will be far more beneficial.

 

[Shayan]

I'd say go for 8GB. Far too many gaffers think there is parity between 8GB DDR3 and 4GB GDDR5. Or that this the chief differentiator.

We live in a world where the chief differentiator between a £700+ ipad and a £300 ipad is hard drive size.

The problem is an average consumer wont know the difference between an 8g DDR3 and 4g GDDR5. To them " i want this one since it has 2x as ram"

8g GDDR5+tweaked motherboard would cost SONY at max 50$ extra as opposed to a 4g GDDR5

so why not make the console full future proof, and with the predictable demise of PC in the future, people would want to stream movies/watch youtube/check mails etc on their console too

@nib above
GDDR5 would give a considerable boost in graphical performances since its working in conjunction with an APU and a separate GPU. I still feel though SONY would launch with a cutting edge GPU despite rumours

 

[Allonym]

I think it'd be very awesome and beneficial if Sony introduced the ability for PS3 gamers to see people that occupy their friends list play on see that those very same people are playing on PS4 through a firmware update. Essentially the friends who have PS4, if they opted to keep their same PS3/PSN/SEN user name would have their entire friends list transferred over and they'd be able to see and send messages with people still on PS3 and those on PS3 would see under their friends' names that they are playing PS4. I believe that would be an effective way of generating interest, awareness and talk between players for the PS4. Players would be able to talk about the new features, games, etc. Just an idea Sony should look into

 

[i-Lo]

I know I've said this before, but it's a silly move to go 8GB GDDR5. Waste of money. Spend the difference on getting in a better GPU. That will be far more beneficial.

Judging from previous generation, tweaks to GPU are at this are point highly restricted. Nothing of the sort you desire for is possible. Only the RAM situation is somewhat volatile.

The problem is an average consumer wont know the difference between an 8g DDR3 and 4g GDDR5. To them " i want this one since it has 2x as ram"

8g GDDR5+tweaked motherboard would cost SONY at max 50$ extra as opposed to a 4g GDDR5

so why not make the console full future proof, and with the predictable demise of PC in the future, people would want to stream movies/watch youtube/check mails etc on their console too

Can you kindly share with us how you derived that figure?

 

[Duffyside]

Wait, I'm confused. So are people now saying that the Sony 4GB of GDDR5 is NOT about equal to the MS 8GB of DDR3?

 

[Ashes]

It'd only cost half a billion.
Glad it's not my money.

 

[Jedi2016]

I think it'd be very awesome and beneficial if Sony introduced the ability for PS3 gamers to see people that occupy their friends list play on see that those very same people are playing on PS4 through a firmware update. Essentially the friends who have PS4, if they opted to keep their same PS3/PSN/SEN user name would have their entire friends list transferred over and they'd be able to see and send messages with people still on PS3 and those on PS3 would see under their friends' names that they are playing PS4. I believe that would be an effective way of generating interest, awareness and talk between players for the PS4. Players would be able to talk about the new features, games, etc. Just an idea Sony should look into

I would actually be very surprised if it didn't work this way right out of the box. It's all one big network, there's no reason why they wouldn't allow cross-platform communication across PSN, regardless of hardware.

 

[Ashes]

Wait, I'm confused. So are people now saying that the Sony 4GB of GDDR5 is NOT about equal to the MS 8GB of DDR3?

3 and half gig with plenty of bandwidth is better for games, or so I've been led to believe these last couple of generations.

 

[iamvin22]

did anyone just see yosp tweet just 5 minutes ago?

 

[thuway]

If Sony does decide to improve RAM count, I could only imagine a maximum of 6 GB GDDR5 for launch units. Wide IO + 3D is the future, and not that far off...

did anyone just see yosp tweet just 5 minutes ago?

I wish he would make predictions about RAM :-/. That is the most volatile and interesting choice they can make... It can make or break the system.

 

[Truespeed]

I know I've said this before, but it's a silly move to go 8GB GDDR5. Waste of money. Spend the difference on getting in a better GPU. That will be far more beneficial.

I disagree completely. The number of options that amount of blisteringly fast RAM gives you is, in my opinion, more beneficial then a better GPU. If the system does ship with 8GB of GDDR5 then Sony is making a statement on seriously future proofing their system. In 3 or 4 years we'll be praising Sony for making the right choice.