I think tone is part of it, but then they could've focused on games entirely, games I'd LOVE, and I'd probably still be annoyed with them. It's almost like they've become Flanders or something.
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EDGE review MS-Conf: "One of the most contemptuous press conferences in E3 history"
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No one makes games for people that aren't 8-30 year old males so they're trying to sell consoles based on their media capabilities. Makes sense actually.
lunarworks
Member
Say what you will about Microsoft's presser, but they know what makes the mainstream tick.
Myself, I had no interest i anything they showed. But looking at it with an outside perspective, they were right on the mark.
Myself, I had no interest i anything they showed. But looking at it with an outside perspective, they were right on the mark.
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Deleted member 81567
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There was more hardcore titles than you guys think. They just all sucked/were expected. Microsoft's 09 conference was amazing.
Lord_Byron28
Member
As we went through with Nintendo's E3 2007/2008 conference. There are times and places to anounce and devote tons of attention to these products. However, E3 is a major event for Hardcore gamers and most gamers are paying attention to your conference not casual press/casual gamers. It's not only a let down for gamers but it is marketing to the wrong audience. No one goes to Comic Con to anounce a Rom Com because the audience isn't there for it and it's simply absurd. Likewise you don't go to E3 and advertise and spend lots of money marketing products to an uninterested crowd. There is a right time and place for everything. Focusing almost entirely on the non-gaming stuff is a mistake.
Luckily for MS they actually have good 3rd party support so they can get away with it better unlike Nintendo.
soulassssns
Banned
I had zero issues with it
Uno Venova
Banned
I agree, I was being sarcastic with that comment because I feel like this comic is what a lot of arguments boil down too.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Oh sarcasm meter hard to detect around E3 time. So many members crop up that I haven't seen before. I recognize your avatar though.
Except it's not just for gamers. It's for retailers, publishers, and developers of all entertainment content, too. Microsoft has to show them what's coming next in their strategy, and MS is clearly on about being a multimedia box and 3 screens and cloud. They've been consistent in those regards and it seems to be paying off.
And E3 doesn't impact game sales to gamers at all. Not one fucking bit.
Pachterballs
Banned
Sony just spent ten minutes on a smash bros ripoff. There you go. enjoy your games, ha ha
whats that got to do with what he wrote? Sony spending time talking about product negates the games?
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thepotatoman
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We are at the 360's 4th Halo game, 4th Gears game, and 4th Forza game developed on the same exact hardware since Halo 3 on September 25, 2007, less than 5 years ago. I don't know how anyone can't feel some franchise fatigue after all that. The third party multi-platforms all have the same exact problem too.
It would all go over a lot better if we had signs that microsoft will try a new IP some point soon by like being in EA's place and taking control of Big Huge Games during the fire sale, but watching that conference feels like all we will see for the forseeable future is more games like that.
I've had to grow to accept that first party no longer matters, but even third party is having the same troubles right now when it comes to Xbox. I've also gotten over the loop of "kinect doesn't interest me so i don't care about kinect games" and "kinect games don't interest me so i don't care about kinect" and steel batalion and Matter could have saved things, but we barely saw anything there either.
It would all go over a lot better if we had signs that microsoft will try a new IP some point soon by like being in EA's place and taking control of Big Huge Games during the fire sale, but watching that conference feels like all we will see for the forseeable future is more games like that.
I've had to grow to accept that first party no longer matters, but even third party is having the same troubles right now when it comes to Xbox. I've also gotten over the loop of "kinect doesn't interest me so i don't care about kinect games" and "kinect games don't interest me so i don't care about kinect" and steel batalion and Matter could have saved things, but we barely saw anything there either.
HP_Wuvcraft
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These things always boil down to the "omg one thing about the industry I don't like the entire industry is doomed" posts, though.
Conflict NZ
Member
Yeap publishers, retailers and developers really give a fuck about an NHL app and a Nike Fitness Game. Microsoft has moved away from trying to sell games to trying to sell their console which is why the conference is boring and mediocre for those of us that already have one.
Punchpudding
Member
Huh, it seems to line up in my mind.... almost as if they were both following a formula to reach the largest audience....
Flagship AAA Games
SONY: Last of Us
MS: Halo 4
Follow-ups to major franchises
SONY: GOW Ascension
MS: GOW Judgment
Party Games
SONY: Battle Royal
MS: Dance Central 3
Experimental games
SONY: Beyond
MS: Fable Journey
Non gaming features
SONY: Wonderbook
MS: Sports
Integration
SONY: Playstation Mobile
MS: Smart Glass
Exclusive DLC
SONY: Assassin's Creed 3
MS: COD, Splinter Cell, TR
Flagship AAA Games
SONY: Last of Us
MS: Halo 4
Follow-ups to major franchises
SONY: GOW Ascension
MS: GOW Judgment
Party Games
SONY: Battle Royal
MS: Dance Central 3
Experimental games
SONY: Beyond
MS: Fable Journey
Non gaming features
SONY: Wonderbook
MS: Sports
Integration
SONY: Playstation Mobile
MS: Smart Glass
Exclusive DLC
SONY: Assassin's Creed 3
MS: COD, Splinter Cell, TR
Not just game publishers, retailers, and developers. There are other types of media creators, distributors, etc. that MS is trying to lure to their platform and keep them investing in it. : p
The argument that MS should just focus on games is completely nonsensical. That would fly in the face of their corporate strategy. dealwithit.gif
PopcornMegaphone
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I think Microsoft is getting too arrogant. The problem is Sony kinda cool, but they don't have their shit together.
I think next gen is MS's to lose which is kinda annoying.
I think next gen is MS's to lose which is kinda annoying.
Lord_Byron28
Member
We have plenty of other conferences and events for this such as GDC(Game Developer Conference), retailer meetings occur often throughout the year, Investors meetings, and a lot of developer/publisher interaction is behind closed doors. There are plenty of other events that go around all year as well. E3 is a time for consumers and journalists. E3 is what Comic Con is to Comic book fans.
Conflict NZ
Member
Yeah they couldn't possibly have two conferences. NOBODY would do that.
Nintendo has 2 platforms to support. Big difference.
Represent.
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The conference was one of the worst things I've ever seen. Fucking Usher performance used as filler, FFS. Just embarrassing.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I think Edge is upset about Microsoft year after year focusing on stuff that isn't available in the UK and that's sort of an acceptable reaction.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
Honestly, MS didn't show games GAF likes. They showed games that your average gamer likes.
CoD, Halo, Madden, Fifa, Gears, etc. Plus they added the NBA and NHL.
Sony started their conference with a game that's an emotional journey about death.
Sony is a cool company but MS is clearing showing what the majority of gamers want to see.
CoD, Halo, Madden, Fifa, Gears, etc. Plus they added the NBA and NHL.
Sony started their conference with a game that's an emotional journey about death.
Sony is a cool company but MS is clearing showing what the majority of gamers want to see.
No. E3 is the biggest conference in the industry in the games space and it is clearly not just about games any more. I suppose you could blame MS for pushing it in that direction, but it's only because Sony failed to do so themselves.
E3 is the conference with the most coverage and the most attendance. It's the buzz of the year. You don't waste that air time on just games if you're telling everyone your strategy is bigger than that.
Conflict NZ
Member
And Microsoft doesn't?
No, not really. They could easily have had separate services and games conferences. Except they couldn't, as they didn't have enough games to showcase. Unless they roped in such AAA acts like Black Eyed Peas to play a complete set of songs between each game.
GrandHarrier
Member
So did Edge review Sony's conference? Did they rate it the same? They were both pretty pointless.
Karsticles
Member
I think it depends on how much Americans follow brand loyalty. IMO, Microsoft won it this generation just because Nintendo blew it with the graphics and Sony blew it with the pricing. It was the good option for people who wanted new stuff at a reasonable price. Next gen, that likely won't be the case, but how badly will people want Halo 5?
um... no?
What other platform do you think Microsoft has ?
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I'll quote myself (sorry):
I think MS's conference sucked, but it's native to think it wasn't more appealing than Sony's conference to most gamers. The presentation was slicker too.
Right now MS is positioning themselves better than Sony. And what they're doing kinda sucks for GAF.
it's maybe the most depressing E3 conference I've ever seen.
Even when they were showing games, they were showing lame, everybody's-seen-this-already nonsense like Call of Duty and Tomb Raider>Uncharted>Tomb Raider.
I did like the Halo stuff, but I can't decide whether it's because that game looks good, or because it felt very much like Metroid Prime in that demo.
Even when they were showing games, they were showing lame, everybody's-seen-this-already nonsense like Call of Duty and Tomb Raider>Uncharted>Tomb Raider.
I did like the Halo stuff, but I can't decide whether it's because that game looks good, or because it felt very much like Metroid Prime in that demo.
Microsoft is really resting on their laurels with the 360. No glimpse or hint of the new console, a couple of fairly tired exclusives in Halo and Forza, (mind you Halo does look very good imo) a lot of reliance on third party to carry the load. If the next console isn't coming out until 2013 then I get the feeling there's a lot of people who might start looking elsewhere ie WiiU or PC because the 360 is a very tired piece of hardware at this stage.
I always thought E3 was about getting consumers, whatever the demographic excited about the future of the company and what it had to offer. So far Microsoft has shown little in the way of what their vision will be.
Maybe it's just a reflection of where the industry is at, there seems to be quite a bit of stagnation, not many risks being taken, talk of gaming development not being sustainable. Sony was exactly the same really, if I'm to be honest, I think it's just the environment of console games at the moment, it just seems uncertain.
I always thought E3 was about getting consumers, whatever the demographic excited about the future of the company and what it had to offer. So far Microsoft has shown little in the way of what their vision will be.
Maybe it's just a reflection of where the industry is at, there seems to be quite a bit of stagnation, not many risks being taken, talk of gaming development not being sustainable. Sony was exactly the same really, if I'm to be honest, I think it's just the environment of console games at the moment, it just seems uncertain.
SkyMasterson
Member
Yea, it's too bad they didn't stick with some of their internal studios they had back in the OG Xbox era.
Xbox has Halo, Fable, Forza and Gears of War(and it's not even their franchise really).
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I don't know, wasn't Cage rambling on about how the game discovers the afterlife? Then we were shown some really awkward interrogation.
I'm still going to buy it.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Fall asleep during Wonderbook did you?
I dunno...I actually tend to enjoy Microsoft's conferences. Sure, there aren't always very many megatons, but one thing Microsoft does better than their competition is give a general and enticing view of the range of products and services coming to their system. Sure, sometimes that means they spend a lot of time on things you're not interested in, and maybe they did go a little overboard on the non-gaming stuff this year, but I always leave Microsoft's E3 conferences with a good view of their roadmap for the next year or so, and it's usually packed with games. Honestly, I wish Nintendo took a page from their book on that, instead of being so focused on highlighting specific experiences that they leave entire games out of their show (poor Xenoblade).
I mean, people were saying Nintendo won E3 last year for the orchestra alone, and how is that any better?
I mean, people were saying Nintendo won E3 last year for the orchestra alone, and how is that any better?
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I actually liked the xbox glass thing. I like that sort of thing and seeing how microsoft is attempting to take on apple with their different strategy regarding tablets and device convergence.
I thought that it may not have belonged at E3 though. they could have done that at an MS event or something.
Also, i've been bored to tears by the games so far for everything. tried to watch EA conference and felt like sitting through 'here's army shooter type x, watch while we snipe guys through a wall for 10 minutes' then have to watch that again for another 10 minutes when the next battleduty 5 pack rolled out.
Did get a chuckle when I think it was COD actually used the headline 'BUY MORE'
I thought that it may not have belonged at E3 though. they could have done that at an MS event or something.
Also, i've been bored to tears by the games so far for everything. tried to watch EA conference and felt like sitting through 'here's army shooter type x, watch while we snipe guys through a wall for 10 minutes' then have to watch that again for another 10 minutes when the next battleduty 5 pack rolled out.
Did get a chuckle when I think it was COD actually used the headline 'BUY MORE'
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
This seems unusually knee-jerk for EDGE. Wonder if the editor took the day off or something and it's a free-for-all.
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