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Election 2016 [Mafia] | Everlasting GOPstoppers
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And it is 100% not my fault. Blame yourselves or God.
It has a 50% chance of being your fault.
It is all your fault. We're Republicans, we don't blame ourselves or God.
Touche
Ok, so as I said the problem with breadcrumbs is I could leave trails to multiple candidates. To remove that option I literally said THIS IS A BREADCRUMB (second quote below).
Before I get to that, I'll point to this post made later which was to back it up:
The Google comment is in case some other candidate had a connection to Star Wars that I wasn't aware of.
I'm sorry to say this now but I'm going to be slow to respond. I've still got 3 hours of work and low battery on my phone, so I'm forced to limit myself.
Before I get to that, I'll point to this post made later which was to back it up:
INITIALS
This leads to Scott Walker and only Scott Walker.
The Google comment is in case some other candidate had a connection to Star Wars that I wasn't aware of.
I'm sorry to say this now but I'm going to be slow to respond. I've still got 3 hours of work and low battery on my phone, so I'm forced to limit myself.
#BootStraps
Thoughts on Fireblend:
I thought this silence ability was a scum ability. I am still racking my brains around it. I know I called El Topo on having it and Fireblend never brought me doing this up, but the truth is he claimed it now. I know it wasn't one shot, so not using it again is pro-town I think. No reason for scum to not use the 3 shots.
I'm saying Town, but I wish I could burn him.
I thought this silence ability was a scum ability. I am still racking my brains around it. I know I called El Topo on having it and Fireblend never brought me doing this up, but the truth is he claimed it now. I know it wasn't one shot, so not using it again is pro-town I think. No reason for scum to not use the 3 shots.
I'm saying Town, but I wish I could burn him.
There's nothing convenient about it.
Look at it this way: if Fire was Scott Walker and I had been lying, what would I do?
Leaving breadcrumbs is easy if you are either Electorate or town. Sure Fireblend could have been Scott Walker but then in that case you would have just not mentioned your previous posts and say some other name since no-one noticed those hints until you mentioned them.
I made the first one as clear as I could. Salva already asked me to explain it
I mean I agree with what you're saying Kalor, but I've shown how I've tried to avoid exactly that. I couldn't point to anything but the Star Wars post, and (I hope) I couldn't link that post to any other candidate.
I could have just said Scott Walker ages ago, but that removes the chance of scum trying to claim him
I could have just said Scott Walker ages ago, but that removes the chance of scum trying to claim him
That's ridiculous, I'm not the only one that hasn't role claimed, claiming now helps scum more than it helps town.
Did Blarg claim ordinary? He didn't even give a title
That's kind of besides the point though. If I had anything helpful to share I'd've shared it wayyy before now
Apart from my title (that I couldn't justify without telling you what Ouro is thinking), do you have any other problem with me? More so than anyone else?
We fuck this up and it's lylo, we're running out of chances
CornBurrito
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I don't believe silence is a town ability. I think Splinter is scum and fireblend. El topo as the other if either of those two really are town. Problem is if we lynch Splinter and he is town we are in Lylo and fireblend could silence someone and make a mislynxh even more likely since you can't switch your vote under his power.
Do you think I'm scum because my title is "Blowhard", or do you think I'm scum because Cabot thinks I'm scum?
Or any other reason
CornBurrito
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Purely because of blowhard. In contrast, Fire was super silent today compared to before, and seemed to just sit back and let an el topo lynch happen. There was like no discussion from him today until the forced role claim. If el topo is town, that makes sense.
I don't think the silence is as bad as it could be since Cabot was still able to communicate well even with having to limit himself to images. If someone is silenced and wants to switch their vote, I have my double vote to compensate for that.
I do agree with you that the silence does not seem like a town ability. In what way can it benefit town, I've been trying to think of a benefit to the silence since Fireblend claimed but I'm drawing a blank.
Aww corn, I thought we were friends. I have been silent most of the day because I already said I was suspicious of Topo and I'm ok with lynching him. Obviously I'm more active now because I had to come clear regarding my role claim. And I was holding onto my claim to see if someone else would claim to be the silencer, or if it was going to be used in an argument to help scum slip by. I maintain that my strategy was the optimal one even if Cabot was annoyed at it 
CornBurrito
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I also thought of this. The whole reason I bought el topo saying there were 2 scum left was because the lack of silencer. They needed their silencer (fire) to do the kill. The benefit is that he can now claim that he did it to prove his townness. The thing is though, what if that isn't true entirely? What if he didn't use it to misrepresent the number of scum left? Could there possibly be 3 left? Fire/splinter/el topo?
CornBurrito
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Besides the reasons I mentioned, the silence only being used once made some people question whether you were lying or not about being silenced. Maybe it was a set up so they could make an argument for your lynch later on?
CornBurrito
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Isn't it 16? And yeah it seems high. Idk. I trust Ouro to be better at game balance than that. It is worth nothing though that Hyper had a fairly weak ability. And the silence is similarly pretty weak since you can image macro.
CornBurrito
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And my lunch break is over. Be back in an hour and a half or so.
Just in case though.
Vote: Fireblend
Just in case though.
Vote: Fireblend
15 town, 4 mafia? Unlikely.
Alright, here's the list of players and names.
Points I'm coming up with:
- Non-town have flipped as 'entities' and are not named
- All flipped GOP have been named.
- There are 2 unconfirmed claims that are allegedly GOP that are not in the GOP presidential candidates.
- The Non-town are lying about their name, so El Topo's weird half claim where he sort of claimed but not really is still a legit point against him.
- Blarg has claimed Jeb Bush, but no role. One of the bigger names, should we push him?
- Splinter may have a PR and is not willing to say what it is today. The message thing is not really solid evidence he's town, though I'd still put it as leaning toward town more than scum
- CB chose the neutral to kill, which is the 'safe' option regardless of alignment. It could be luck that she flipped town, or he could have known her win condition.
- Fire is the silencer. He used it on me as a way to make a legit claim. He didn't claim, but he has more than one use and only used it once.
- El Topo raised the idea of a SK still existing, but I don't agree with this. It hinges on the SK targeting nin on N1 when he was protected by L_P. I don't really see that scenario.
Cabot was going to be framed? How? He's as confirmed town as a player can be
If I was going to use my silence to frame someone, it sure as hell wouldn't have been Cabot. I chose him because he was easy to trust and I didn't want anyone to be suspicious of him and my plan to end in a mislynch, and it worked. I even said in my prepared post that I hoped my plan didn't backfire and I didn't end up having to claim to defend Cabot:
Blunder. I meant flipped anti-town
Frothy Palmer
fixed the list, I missed our dear Palmer.
Found this when looking up Topo's role claim.
This exchange is really strange to me.
BSP obviously had more to reveal with her role, but her reply was very cool, and she didn't budge an inch.
Surely she'd be shitting herself if she actually thought she was a goner based on El Topo's 'ability' use.
Why wasn't she? because she knew El Topo was electorate.
Back to work in a few minutes. Quick thoughts.
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I don't think we have reached the point where everyone must reveal their power, even if (for us others) seemingly preferable. If someone is more comfortable keeping things secret from mafia or maybe has a power that wouldn't help us (yet), that is understandable. Next day? Maybe a different story.
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Both Salva and Corn have non-candidate claims. It's possible these are fake and they chose them to avoid problems, but then we also thought there wouldn't be RNG. I feel that they (kinda) come in a package. Lynch one, get confirmation, but I'm not sure if this is the best move. Corn in particular was interested to learn (a while before he claimed) why I thought Hyper's claim was obviously fake, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is scummy.
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The idea of a SK doesn't require him targeting nin if we assume that Salva and Corn are lying, both players with dubious claims. I don't think however that we would have 3 mafia + SK + Immigrant, so the idea of a SK is questionable if there are 3 mafia and 2 mafia +SK + Immigrant might be too much in favour of town.
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I don't have the time right now, but I think it would be helpful at this point to investigate the behaviour of everyone, i.e. what did they do each day, what did they say, what did they vote etc. as we may have reached the point where there might be enough traces of scummy behaviour.
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BSP wins if Electorate wins. She has no vote and no power. In hindsight I assume that is why she wasn't shocked, or maybe she's just smart. Also Ouro kinda ruined my claim. Thanks again Ouro. Then again, it was against the rules, so honest thanks for not modkilling me Ouro.
1)
I don't think we have reached the point where everyone must reveal their power, even if (for us others) seemingly preferable. If someone is more comfortable keeping things secret from mafia or maybe has a power that wouldn't help us (yet), that is understandable. Next day? Maybe a different story.
2)
Both Salva and Corn have non-candidate claims. It's possible these are fake and they chose them to avoid problems, but then we also thought there wouldn't be RNG. I feel that they (kinda) come in a package. Lynch one, get confirmation, but I'm not sure if this is the best move. Corn in particular was interested to learn (a while before he claimed) why I thought Hyper's claim was obviously fake, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is scummy.
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The idea of a SK doesn't require him targeting nin if we assume that Salva and Corn are lying, both players with dubious claims. I don't think however that we would have 3 mafia + SK + Immigrant, so the idea of a SK is questionable if there are 3 mafia and 2 mafia +SK + Immigrant might be too much in favour of town.
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I don't have the time right now, but I think it would be helpful at this point to investigate the behaviour of everyone, i.e. what did they do each day, what did they say, what did they vote etc. as we may have reached the point where there might be enough traces of scummy behaviour.
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BSP wins if Electorate wins. She has no vote and no power. In hindsight I assume that is why she wasn't shocked, or maybe she's just smart. Also Ouro kinda ruined my claim. Thanks again Ouro. Then again, it was against the rules, so honest thanks for not modkilling me Ouro.
2 people with 1 shot kills, 1 for town 1 for scum
Or a 2 shot killer
Or whatever, I don't know what we've got but it isn't impossible. Like I said I'm more convinced by 1 or 2 (Fire and Corn/Topo)
kitty:
L_P:
Palmer:
Her:
BSP was pretty assured of lynching KK and L_P when they claimed. She doesn't really say much of Hyper at all when he goes down.
Two things in the quotes above:
1) She wants to give CB time to prove his role, but was completely willing to kill L_P after his role claim. I find that a bit odd.
2) She pulled the 'you lynch me and learn nothing' excuse El Topo has been playing hard on for ages. Less important, but proof that it's a bs statement since we did learn quite a lot from her death.
L_P:
Palmer:
Her:
BSP was pretty assured of lynching KK and L_P when they claimed. She doesn't really say much of Hyper at all when he goes down.
Two things in the quotes above:
1) She wants to give CB time to prove his role, but was completely willing to kill L_P after his role claim. I find that a bit odd.
2) She pulled the 'you lynch me and learn nothing' excuse El Topo has been playing hard on for ages. Less important, but proof that it's a bs statement since we did learn quite a lot from her death.
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