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ELI MANNING OWNS TIKI BARBER, THE AFC, THE ENTIRE LEAGUE, AND THE UNIVERSE!!!
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Speaking of Simmons, he had a link today to a record of Jerramy Stevens' felonies. You name it, it's in there - drugged anal date, serious assault, "extreme DUI," etc.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004147460_rbstevens270.html
Not sure if this has been posted, but interesting article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3222397
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3222397
Striker said:
I could care less if he is on crutches. Last time I checked you can sit down and stand a bit in crutches. Do you think he is going to lying down and taking it easy at TO's party? Your team is in the biggest game of their lives and he would rather get drunk then cheer on his teammates? You can get drunk after the fucking game. And what or who is PFT?
soulja224466
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LiveWire said:
yes plz.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
LiveWire said:
LiveWire said:
That is absurd.
The Giants have started 5-2 every single year since Coughlin has been our coach. Since 2005 (Eli's first year starting), the Giants have consistently had a top offense. The only thing that has kept the Giants from going to the next level is the defense, as I have said on this very forum many times. Suddenly Spagnuolo does a decent (not great) job of using the tools provided to him, two pro bowl DEs, a budding star in Tuck, three press corners, competent LBs and all of a sudden he's the hero? No one mentions that the Giants have beaten their opponents in penalty margin by a vast amount in the post-season or or that the special teams has turned it up a notch since the move was made to take Droughns out of the returning role. Further, no one has mentioned that the Giants have had a lot of injuries this year and each backup has stepped up to fill in so admirably that the team does not miss a step. Each of those is a hallmark of good coaching, all of those are things that Coughlin had preached since he got here.
Last I checked, he did an amazing job with the Jaguars right out of the gate. If not for the Titans they could have been mentioned in the same breath with these 19-0 Pats. No one remembers the good stuff though.
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About the game on Sunday, I think the biggest key is that the Giants have to be the more physical team on the field.
The Giants just beat two teams that are considered 'Finesse Teams' and the Pats are yet another one of the same breed. The way they did it was they came out firing on both sides of the ball. Lots of smash mouth running (sticking with it even if it doesn't work), lots of press coverage, lots of explosive bull-rushing from our DLine and OLine is what I remember from the last two games.
Establish that it's going to be the last team standing, not who can run faster. It's going to be very important to pound our RBs on those older NE linebackers, be it with the run or with dump offs/swings/screens/shovel passes. Make them not want to play anymore, just like we did to the Packers entire O, and the Dallas OLine.
Looking back on the playoff run, the Giants have been the more physical team the entire time except for:
1) The first quarter against TB in which both TB lines were playing out of their minds, IMO.
2) The first 28:30 of the Dallas game where they decided to just pound the crap out of us with the run.
Frankly, if the Giants have anything going for them in this game it's that they can literally just bully the Pats on both sides of the ball. Just look at Plax last week versus Al Harris, complete domination. The one and only matchup I am worried about is Randy Moss versus either Madison or Webster (whoever is on him). If Butler is over top we are toast.
Live Wire and redskins fans this is for you.
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=733635
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=733635
ThatCrazyGuy
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TO's party is gonna be off da chains! Who would want to miss that!
Wellington said:
And you dropped 8 of your last 10 last year, and barely made the playoffs if not for the Redskins' incompetence (read: Tiki singlehandedly won that game for you). You almost collapsed AGAIN this year after losing to the Skins at home. And 2005, getting blanked at home? Coughlin did a great job there.
Wellington said:
Tools which were mostly beat up or not available last year? I remember you posted a list of all the linebackers and other D players that were injured last season....it was so bad the Giants signed like 3 linebackers off the street.
You can make arguments either way--I won't deny that Coughlin seems to have changed his attitude and the players, at least in some small part, seem to have responded. But Coughlin is not the main reason why this team is doing better, particularly in this hot streak in the playoffs. I give a lot of credit to the coordinators, and to Eli's ability to lead the team now without Shockey barking for the ball every five seconds. Shockey going down was the best thing that happened to the Giants offense, IMHO.
Wellington said:
Um, no. Was Plax playing well? Absolutely, and has been all season. But a lot of the success had to do with the referees finally calling Harris on his bullshit illegal contact/interference that he got away with for most of the season. He was constantly manhandling receivers before the ball got to them (and 9 times out of 10 he wasn't playing the ball). I was glad to see him get exposed, and like I said, I think Plax is playing at a peak level. But I wouldn't call it domination.
Defensively, though, I think the Giants have done the 2nd best job of harassing Brady (first being the Ravens). They match up very well here and if they're going to win this game, they need to chance letting Moss go single covered to plant a nice headshot or five on Brady.
FrenchMovieTheme
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i thought the eagles did a great job of getting to brady as well. do it giants!
Coughlin hasn't been great, but he's much better than Fassel.LiveWire said:
What's Boss' rec numbers and blocking compared to Shockey? He's the most underused TE in the league and still doesn't bitch about his catches. If he were in the game, it would benefit everybody. So enough of the bullshit.Big-E said:
Striker said:
Shockey the most underused TE? You got to be kidding me. Personally, I feel he is the most overrated TE in all of football. I still don't see why you take offense on me calling out his priorities. I know your a Giants fan but how can you support someone who obviously doesn't care about your team? If Shockey were a Patriot, I would be calling him out just the same and curse his name. On the subject of Boss, I do believe that he is a better blocking TE. Since Shockey has been gone Eli has been playing better. There is no denying this fact. Is it because of Shockey's absence? Possibly but its too early to make that call. If Shockey comes back next season and plays better and Eli is still able to produce I will eat my words. But as of now, Boss seems to be the better fit in this offense.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
LiveWire said:
1) Almost collapsed again? for one it happened last year, it's not a yearly occurance like ESPN would have you believe. Second, are you saying we should have mopped the floor with the Redskins and didn't and were thus seen as collapsing? have a little more faith in your team. The fact is that the Giants lost to the Cowboys, Vikings, Redskins and Pats in the second half of the season, two of those were the best teams in the league, and the other two were extremely hot. Lest you forget, both the Vikings and Redskins went on some pretty nice tears at the end of the year. We wouldn't have 'almost collapsed' if they didn't start beating the shit out of everyone and start threatening for a playoff spot.
2) You're uh... helping my point... The head coach cannot prevent injuries other than maybe hammies, which we had 2 all year. Spags has had a full compliment of players since the third week of the season. I am not going to take away from the job that our coordinators were doing but outsiders have to keep in mind that Coughlin is an offensive coach and, like I said in my other post, the offense has been consistently strong since he got here. The defense, which added a FA WLB and a nickel corner from last year as the ONLY two changes, is what had been the downfall of this team until this year. You probably don't remember last year's playoff game against the Eagles but it was one of Eli's best games ever, and if the Giants had been able to control Westbrook, they'd have won.
In conclusion of this point, the Giants have played conisistently well for a number of years, but the D now being up to par gets them to the super bowl. The evidence is there, look at the scores over the last few seasons.
3) You guys are entirely wrong on the Shockey issue. He is the second best all around TE in the league. He can block like an OLineman and gets out into space and makes catches. He's been dreadfully underutilized and the week 10 game against Dallas shows it. Boss has made some plays but he is not as large a part of the gameplan as Shockey is. Stats back that up as well.
4) Dude Plax a nd Al Harris went at it all game long, I am wondering if you even watched the game. There were times that they almost out and out fought each other is how chippy things got. Al Harris was called for two penalties, illegal contact in front of the ref when he intercepted the pass, and a pass interference when Plaxico shoved him out of the way and Harris grabbed him to try and get into position to make a play. Al Harris was limping at the end of the game is how much they fought. I thought it was clear as day how they were going after each other.
The rest of the Giants are a pretty entertaining bunch actually now that Tiki is gone.Nameless said:
I would be lying if I said I didn't want anyone but the Pats to win, but the Giants are actually likable enough that I wouldn't mind seeing them winning against a lot of other teams.
Plus I think some of my Giants friends' heads will explode if Eli wins the Superbowl.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
FWIW I root against the Niners for 2002 and the entire 80s decade.Nameless said:
Fuck I am so jealous of my Dad's friend now. Earlier I mentioned one of my Dad's friends out of the blue decided to go. His sister lives in Boston and knows someone at the Pats organization. What I didn't know is that his sister knows one of Robert Kraft's daughters and will most likely be watching the game from the Kraft personal box. What a piece of shit..
Spectral Glider
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levious said:
Are any of the NFL's explanations ever good enough though?
Anyway, so glad this week is winding down. Tired of the even the local newspaper being saturated with the same old crap stories about this game. Down with the bye week, NFL, down with the bye week.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Spectral Glider said:
This bye week of hype about stupid stuff is reason enough to keep it. Hell, they might extend it to 2 weeks!!!!
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Prove me wrong. In fact, I'd go on to say that the Pats are only second to the Colts as a Finesse Team.Tom Penny said:
Wellington said:
Its a lot easier saying you can play more physically then the pats then actually do it. All the critics in the Jacksonville game said that Jones-Drew and Taylor would smash it down the soft Pats D. That didn't happen. When Tom Brady was playing the shits and the Pats needed to win by beating up the SD D with the running game. Pats can play just as physical as they can play finesse. The Pats are not the Colts from a few years ago. You can hit the Pats in the mouth but they will hit you back.
Wellington said:
What's you definition of finesse? You cant' be talking about either the Colts D or the Pats D since they are both in the top 3 in points allowed so there is nil chance either D is finesse and if you talking offense that's an amusing comment. The Pats morph into whatever they have to do to win games. Early in the season they threw all over everyone because they could. If nobody can stop you from throwing why would you play smash mouth? They ran for almost 150 on SD and Jax when they had too. That's what great teams do. You comment holds no weight whatsoever.
Spectral Glider
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Some guys can have their rings and perfect records....but they'll never be the sexiest!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08032/854023-66.stm
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08032/854023-66.stm
Ninja Scooter
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Before this season comes to an end, lets all take a moment to appreciate Emmitt Smith:
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=b7b61537-37ec-4e82-b8dd-b4dc8ea4e6a2
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=b7b61537-37ec-4e82-b8dd-b4dc8ea4e6a2
Looks like Derek Anderson is heading to the free agency market, unless his agent does a complete 180.
Looks like DA is shooting for a 5 year contract. That's a pretty hefty contract (plus you have to give up a 1st and 3rd round pick) to sign the guy. High price for a guy that had one good season.
Looks like DA is shooting for a 5 year contract. That's a pretty hefty contract (plus you have to give up a 1st and 3rd round pick) to sign the guy. High price for a guy that had one good season.
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