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[Gigglepoo]

The Pats dropped the ball big time, but it's hilarious seeing all these Pats haters imagine that it somehow erases the myriad records and accomplishments by Brady, Moss and the Pats franchise.

Until this season, the 1998 Vikings were the greatest offense that ever took the field. The Patriots have that honor now. Statistics are everything. It's why I don't even watch football anymore. What's the point? It's all about the numbers.

Weird stat from TMQB - "It remains true -- the regular-season NFL passing yardage leader has never gone on to win the Super Bowl in the same season."

 

[mCACGj]

God I know, Plax has killed us several times like that, and either Lito or Sheldon is probably better than Hobbs.

Ya know, he wanted to come to Philly around the TO signing but the Eagles didn't want to sign him along with TO. Woe is me.

 

[Tom Penny]

Ugh, such a frustrating game. All thry had to do was stop that last drive darn it. Stupid Manning and his teflon rubber shirt.

I'm a huge Pats fan and the Giants ultimelty outplayed them. I felt worse after last years AFC championship game were we literally choked. This game was going blow for blow and Tyree incredible catch ended up costing the Pats the SB. Not much else to say. The game could have gone either way. Great game even though from a personal standpoint the outcome sucked.

 

[bob_arctor]

Naked delusion is always so amusing. The Pats dropped the ball big time, but it's hilarious seeing all these Pats haters imagine that it somehow erases the myriad records and accomplishments by Brady, Moss and the Pats franchise. Are these people insecure about Manning's/the Giants record not stacking up? Enjoy your team's victory and stop trying to knock down other players/teams.

 

[biggkidd32]

Well, to clarify I'm not talking about just this forum.

Ugh, such a frustrating game. All thry had to do was stop that last drive darn it. Stupid Manning and his teflon rubber shirt.

If you are going to bring up ''what if'' scenarios how about the Genius forgoing the FG that would've probably guaranteed OT.

 

[iapetus]

All thry had to do was stop that last drive darn it.

Or, you know, score those 17 points that Brady found so funny before the game. That might have worked too.

 

[Hitokage]

Until this season, the 1998 Vikings were the greatest offense that ever took the field. The Patriots have that honor now. Statistics are everything. It's why I don't even watch football anymore. What's the point? It's all about the numbers.

The NFL really should do away with the playoff system and just start polling like the NCAA. It'll ensure a more numerically accurate determination and save everyone the time and effort of playing all those meaningless games.

 

[Tom Penny]

If you are going to bring up ''what if'' scenarios how about the Genius forgoing the FG that would've probably guaranteed OT.

There were alot bigger plays in the game then a FG in the first half. Hignsight is 20/20.

 

[Gigglepoo]

If you are going to bring up ''what if'' scenarios how about the Genius forgoing the FG that would've probably guaranteed OT.

What if Tom Brady didn't drop back to pass 53 times in an extremely close contest?

EDIT - Does Tom Brady not have the ability to call an audible? Wouldn't a few draws and delays have slowed down the pass rush? He looks like Dan Marino out there - stubbornly dropping back to pass even when nothing was working. It's strange that two of the best QBs ever wouldn't be able to change the called play at the line of scrimmage....

 

[Branduil]

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=eouf6t.2.1

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Gigglepoo]

The NFL really should do away with the playoff system and just start polling like the NCAA. It'll ensure a more numerically accurate determination and save everyone the time and effort of playing all those meaningless games.

I know you realize I was being sarcastic, but I'm sure some people might not. I don't care much for statistics.

 

[bob_arctor]

Or, you know, score those 17 points that Brady found so funny before the game. That might have worked too.

"We're only gonna score 17 points? heh heh heh Okay."

 

[iapetus]

What if Tom Brady didn't drop back to pass 53 times in an extremely close contest?

From Ask Vic:

Matt from Philadelphia, PA: Are you surprised the Patriots stayed with the spread offense so long?
Vic: Congratulations for seeing the real issue in Sunday’s game. The Patriots made a major tactical error on offense. They stayed in five-wide way too long. Every time they went “empty,” Brady was under a heavy rush. They stayed with the five-wide look well into the second half, which stunned me. I thought for sure Bill Belichick would can the five-wide stuff at halftime. They did more max-protect stuff in the 80-yard, go-ahead touchdown drive but why did it take them so long to figure that out? Belichick was clearly out-coached. They should’ve gone max-protect much earlier. Yeah, it would’ve limited Brady’s options, but what good are options if your quarterback is on his back?

 

[Gigglepoo]

There were alot bigger plays in the game then a FG in the first half. Hignsight is 20/20.

It wasn't the 3 points that was important, it was the mixed message the coach sent. Instead of going for it on 4th and 2 from the 30-something yard line, a no-brainer in my book, they punted. Ok, BB just told his team that the Giants should be respected and the Patriots would have to win with defense, ball control and field position. That's fine.

But by going for it on 4th and 13 instead of playing for field position or trying for a FG, the coach said, "We don't know how to beat these guys. Maybe we'll try to score a lot. That worked in the past, right?"

You can't win in the big game if you don't have a clear goal.

 

[AstroLad]

It wasn't the 3 points that was important, it was the mixed message the coach sent. Instead of going for it on 4th and 2 from the 30-something yard line, a no-brainer in my book, they punted. Ok, BB just told his team that the Giants should be respected and the Patriots would have to win with defense, ball control and field position. That's fine.

But by going for it on 4th and 13 instead of playing for field position or trying for a FG, the coach said, "We don't know how to beat these guys. Maybe we'll try to score a lot. That worked in the past, right?"

You can't win in the big game if you don't have a clear goal.

As I was watching all this unfold, I couldn't wait to read TMQ's column (he's been talking about those kinds of decisions for years), and he didn't disappoint.

And what the hey happened on the series to start the second half? Leading 7-3, New England reached fourth-and-2 on the Jersey/A 44, and punted. The most potent offense in football history is afraid to try for 2 yards! The Giants had 12 men on the field on the punt, so New England retained possession -- but the mincing, fraidycat decision to punt was very non-Belichick and communicated lack of courage to the team. Three downs later, New England faced fourth-and-13 on the Giants' 31, and Belichick called a shot into the end zone, the pass sailing far over the head of Jabar Gaffney. Why not a 48-yard field goal attempt under ideal dome conditions? (The Arizona roof was closed owing to forecast rain.)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080205&sportCat=nfl

 

[woodchuck]

parcells hired the OC, dan henning. another long time Parcells guy. bringing back drew bledsoe out of retirement is only a matter of time.

 

[Penguin]

nice they dug up Whoopi Goldberg to be at the rally. :lol

The Coach looked stunned when he got a license plate. Like that's it?

 

[sorryaboutdresden]

Ya know, he wanted to come to Philly around the TO signing but the Eagles didn't want to sign him along with TO. Woe is me.

I don't know what the deal was with that. I do know that the giants GM at the time, Acorsi was terrified of us getting both T.O. and Plaxico in the same off season. I love Plaxico though, I've wanted him since the year he came out when we took Corey Simon over him...

 

[Gigglepoo]

From Ask Vic (who's pretty great, thanks for the link):

Bob from Fernandina Beach, FL: I don't understand how the rules allow a challenge of a non-called penalty for 12 men on the field but won't allow a challenge of any other non-called penalty (holding, facemask, etc.). Can you explain the logic?
Vic: It’s simple: If everything was reviewable, the game would take all day and night to play. The league had to draw the line somewhere. Illegal participation is easily reviewed and applied, provided the replay is conclusive. It’s not subject to interpretation.

I disagree strongly with this answer. Every team has 2-3 challenges which take, at most, 90 seconds each (if the rules are followed, which they should be). That's a grand total of nine extra minutes per game if all three challenges by each coach are used and the full time per challenge is used up. They could even use challenges as commercial breaks so the rest of the game flows smoother.

I don't like Replay at all because it isn't perfect. If they want to use it, everything should be challengeable. Why is a judgment call ok during the speed of action but not on slow-motion analysis?

 

[Big-E]

From Ask Vic (who's pretty great, thanks for the link):

Bob from Fernandina Beach, FL: I don't understand how the rules allow a challenge of a non-called penalty for 12 men on the field but won't allow a challenge of any other non-called penalty (holding, facemask, etc.). Can you explain the logic?
Vic: It’s simple: If everything was reviewable, the game would take all day and night to play. The league had to draw the line somewhere. Illegal participation is easily reviewed and applied, provided the replay is conclusive. It’s not subject to interpretation.

I disagree strongly with this answer. Every team has 2-3 challenges which take, at most, 90 seconds each (if the rules are followed, which they should be). That's a grand total of nine extra minutes per game if all three challenges by each coach are used and the full time per challenge is used up. They could even use challenges as commercial breaks so the rest of the game flows smoother.

I don't like Replay at all because it isn't perfect. If they want to use it, everything should be challengeable. Why is a judgment call ok during the speed of action but not on slow-motion analysis?

I agree with you but it will never ever happen.

 

[Spectral Glider]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080205&sportCat=nfl

Guess it was the gray hoody, take it away and Bill is rendered useless.

 

[lil smoke]

TALK ABOUT IT STRAHAN!!! STOMP YOU OUT!!

 

[Tom Penny]

But by going for it on 4th and 13 instead of playing for field position or trying for a FG, the coach said, "We don't know how to beat these guys. Maybe we'll try to score a lot. That worked in the past, right?"

You can't win in the big game if you don't have a clear goal.

It was equivilent to punting anyway since they didn't convert and the Giants did not score when they got the ball so it's a moot point. . That had little to do with the outcome of the game.

 

[pollo]

Michael Strahan is a better speaker than Barrack Obama.

 

[woodchuck]

it was still dumb since a 49 yard field goal probably has better odds than 4th and 13.

 

[lil smoke]

it was still dumb since a 49 yard field goal probably has better odds than 4th and 13.

Giants played better. Period. They made great plays on both sides. It's so easy to say what if afterwards.

 

[woodchuck]

even if the patriots made the 4th and 13, i'd still say it was a dumb decision

and who the fuck is saying the giants didn't play better?

 

[Gigglepoo]

It was equivilent to punting anyway since they didn't convert and the Giants did not score when they got the ball so it's a moot point. . That had little to do with the outcome of the game.

Yeah, you didn't read what I said at all.

 

[pollo]

lol theyre playing Journey :lol

 

[lil smoke]

even if the patriots made the 4th and 13, i'd still say it was a dumb decision

and who the fuck is saying the giants didn't play better?

I see you are still hurt, so I'll leave you to it.

...

GO BLUE!!!

 

[pollo]

DONNNT STOP.

BELIEEEEVINNNNNN

 

[Miguel]

 

[Hitokage]

DONNNT STOP.

*Black screen*

Fixed for Patriots.

 

[biggkidd32]

I'm happy for Strahan. He's a Giants lifer, who suffered through several bad teams, an embarrassing SB loss to the Ravens, an ugly divorce where he was fleeced millions of dollars, Tiki Barber, and insulting front office talk.

 

[lil smoke]

brilliant shot there :lol on many levels

 

[Tom Penny]

Yeah, you didn't read what I said at all.

Because what you said was irrelevant to the outcome of the game. Broken 32 yard plays missed picks and missed fumble recoveries had just a tad more to do with it IMO. Secondly a 4 and 2 on the 44 yard line isn't the same as the 30 yard line so i'm not sure what no brainer play your talking about since it didn't exist.

 

[bob_arctor]

Fixed for Patriots.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

DONNNT STOP.

*Black screen*

 

[Gigglepoo]

Because what you said was irrelevant to the outcome of the game.

You don't think having a coach without a clear goal was relevant to the outcome of the game? Wow...

 

[Tom Penny]

You don't think having a coach without a clear goal was relevant to the outcome of the game? Wow...

How about realizing you said a 4 and 2 on the 30 is a no brainer. Duh. Too bad that never happened in the game it was 4 and 2 on the 44. Big difference. You basically made up scenerio in the game that never happened.

 

[woodchuck]

I see you are still hurt, so I'll leave you to it.

...

GO BLUE!!!

so i'm not allowed to critique a coaching decision? ok...

 

[Gigglepoo]

How about realizing you said a 4 and 2 on the 30 is a no brainer. Duh. Too bad that never happened in the game it was 4 and 2 on the 44. Big difference. Your analogy made no sense.

I didn't make an analogy.

And I said "30-something yard line". I thought they were at the 38 or 39. 5 yards isn't a big deal. BB sent mixed messages to his team, had no clear goal, had no vision. He didn't have a fucking clue how to beat the Giants. And he showed that to his team.

They lost because they were severely out coached. They lost because BB, McDaniels and Brady were too stubborn to run the ball. They lost because they were unprepared.

 

[B!TCH]

It would have been cool to see a team go 19-0 but seeing Boston fans getting owned in the most humiliating way possible is just as fucking sweet.

 

[mCACGj]

I don't know what the deal was with that. I do know that the giants GM at the time, Acorsi was terrified of us getting both T.O. and Plaxico in the same off season. I love Plaxico though, I've wanted him since the year he came out when we took Corey Simon over him...

I was close to completely blocking that out of my memory. I can't imagine how good the Eagles would have been with TO and Burress, on top of Westbrook. Sigh, I need to calm down.

 

[Tamanon]

Woo! We landed Gregg Williams as the Jags defensive coordinator!

 

[iapetus]

Woo! We landed Gregg Williams as the Jags defensive coordinator!

Got a link for that yet? (I'd already seen the news, but it all seems to be from local radio so far...)

 

[Big-E]

Woo! We landed Gregg Williams as the Jags defensive coordinator!

Really? You guys will be more beast now.

 

[Branduil]

Woo! We landed Gregg Williams as the Jags defensive coordinator!

Maybe he will realize giving Tom Brady a million hours to throw is not a great idea.

 

[Karakand]

Finally the Pats fans are crawling back to their computers to type (from Boston.com)

I cannot remember another game in which the refs missed so many obvious personal fouls that indeed changed the course of a critical game.

I'll help you out on that one, friend.

Super Bowl XXXVI

Coincidentally it was the Pats that got away with uncalled helmet hits in that game!

P.S. Bitter tears. Oh so good. So very, very good. Oh yessssssssssssss.

 

[Tamanon]

Maybe he will realize giving Tom Brady a million hours to throw is not a great idea.

How about you win a playoff game this century, then you can tell us how to play them.

And iapetus: Nothing yet, but 1010XL is super reliable about this sort of news. I'm pretty sure Tom McManus still has sources in the front office, he breaks a ton of news.

 

[Branduil]

How about you win a playoff game this century, then you can tell us how to play them.

And iapetus: Nothing yet, but 1010XL is super reliable about this sort of news. I'm pretty sure Tom McManus still has sources in the front office, he breaks a ton of news.

I'm not a Cowgirls fan dude.