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[Gigglepoo]

Impressed and happy with Eli, but I'm not joining the camp that has him up there with Joe Montana and John Elway all of a sudden.

I don't think anyone is saying Eli Manning is as good as Joe Montana or John Elway. They shouldn't be putting Brady up to that level yet either. Eli played great in the playoffs and was able to make huge plays in the Super Bowl. Remember, he was being pressured and knocked down all game long as well. He just responded.

 

[J2 Cool]

I love Michael Strahan and so should Cowboys fans

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052008/sports/giants/a_wanted_man_38084.htm

I watched a recap of that game on nfl.com today, remembering the Giant's road to a Super Bowl, and everything they went through. That was a great great game. Really competitive. You have to give Romo more credit after what the Giant's did to Jgar, Favre, and Brady. He made some great plays in that game, they just got after him. And he still threw a beautiful pass to Crayton on that play that should have been caught.

Defensively, offensively. That was as back and forth as any game in these playoffs. Both teams made plays on both side of the ball.

 

[woodchuck]

you have to give eli a lot more credit than "trent dilfer". he played great (well, he always plays great against dallas)

 

[AstroLad]

Ya I watched the playoff games. I saw the Giants defense play out of their heads and shut down some very good offenses while Eli did his best impersonation of Trent Dilfer.

Come on Tiki, this has gone on long enough.

 

[sorryaboutdresden]

Ya I watched the playoff games. I saw the Giants defense play out of their heads and shut down some very good offenses while Eli did his best impersonation of Trent Dilfer.

Come on man, give Eli a break, he just did what McNabb couldn't do, and no on in there right mind can compare Eli with Dilfer.

 

[Karakand]

Ya I watched the playoff games. I saw the Giants defense play out of their heads and shut down some very good offenses while Eli did his best impersonation of Trent Dilfer.

Defending your GAF title I see.

 

[bionic77]

Come on Tiki, this has gone on long enough.

:lol

That was perfect. I am so glad that Duce is not a Steelers fan.

Duce stop criticizing other teams' qbs and focus on what you do best, criticizing your own team's qb.

 

[Hunter D]

Ya I watched the playoff games. I saw the Giants defense play out of their heads and shut down some very good offenses while Eli did his best impersonation of Trent Dilfer.

You're having a meltdown and your team wasn't even in the playoffs. I think you need to step away from this thread for a while.

lil smoke I never said Eli was up there with Montana, I said he was clutch. This year especially he has lead the team on drives when they needed it. The drive he had against the cowboys killed their momentum in the playoffs.

 

[SickBoy]

The what ifs are silly... what if Tom Brady's receivers didn't make some big catches this year, would he have broken the record? What if Steve Smith made the catch he should have instead of tipping the ball for an INT? What if the zombies of former players rose from their graves and participated in the 2008 NFL season?

 

[MaX_PL]

wellington do your job and get douche outta here.

 

[Karakand]

What if the zombies of former players rose from their graves and participated in the 2008 NFL season?

 

[Striker]

Ya I watched the playoff games. I saw the Giants defense play out of their heads and shut down some very good offenses while Eli did his best impersonation of Trent Dilfer.

Trent Dilfer.

Yeah, you didn't watch any playoff games.

 

[topsyturvy]

used to play that all the time with my brother on sega channel.

God the 90s was truly the golden years. ;_;

 

[AstroLad]

used to play that all the time with my brother on sega channel.

God the 90s was truly the golden years. ;_;

Yup.

 

[Karakand]

used to play that all the time with my brother on sega channel.

God the 90s was truly the golden years. ;_;

I had to rent it from Video Villa because I couldn't afford / buy a copy of my own at the time.

RIP 90s. RIP. *pours a 40 out*

 

[Branduil]

Please, no one is ever going to beat Trent Dilfer as the worst Super Bowl-winning QB of all time.

 

[jman2050]

TheDuce22's bitter tears taste so sweet.

Just because the Eagles undermine the entire NFC East by themselves doesn't mean you have to compensate by dogging on a Super Bowl MVP Quarterback for no good reason.

 

[Spectral Glider]

Come on, all Eli has to do is lose three straight NFC championship games and then Duce would declare him the greatest QB alive!

 

[TheDuce22]

Im just amazed at how quickly Eli has become the most overrated QB on the planet.

 

[jman2050]

Also

Trent Dilfer

vs DEN - 9-14 130yds 1TD 0INT
@ TEN - 5-16 117yds 0TD 0INT
@ OAK - 9-18 190yds 1TD 1INT
vs NYG - 12-25 153yds 1TD 0INT

Eli Manning

@ TB - 20-27 185yds 2TD 0INT
@ DAL - 12-18 163yds 2TD 0INT
@ GB - 21-40 254yds 0TD 0INT
vs NE - 19-34 255yds 2TD 1INT

The only remotely Dilfer-like game in the whole pack is the Dallas game. Eli Manning has been inconsistent and mediocre since coming into the league and excelled in the playoffs by executing a balanced offensive attack while benefitting from great defensive play. Dilfer just plain sucks and rode the defense and a good running game without doing much of anything.

 

[sorryaboutdresden]

Im just amazed at how quickly Eli has become the most overrated QB on the planet.

Vince Young says thats his title.

 

[Andokuky]

Lions had an absolutely brutal schedule towards the end.... cowboys, greenbay twice, cardinals, the vikings, giants, and the chargers isn't an easy cake walk. :/

afc shit teams:

dolphins
ravens
bengals
jets
chiefs
broncos
raiders

compared to the nfc shit teams:

niners
rams
panthers
falcons

sooooo yea.

If teams like Denver or Cincy are shit then so are about 11 of the NFC teams :lol

 

[Wellington]

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CHARLES WAY!!!!

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The DBs... BALLIN!!!

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Steve Spags... the crowd erupted "ONE MORE YEAR"

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[Wanace]

Jealousy-inducing pics.

Awesome. Man, I wish I could've been there.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Trent Dilfer.

Yeah, you didn't watch any playoff games.

Or regular season.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Emmitt Smith feat. Chris Berman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMv34zdMWrY

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Winning a superbowl doesnt not automatically make him a good QB. It was the defense that won it for them and his receivers who constantly bail him out on those jump balls he likes to throw up. Had Tyree not made that insane catch, had the pats defenders picked off one of those balls throw directly to them, we wouldnt even be having this discusion. Giants fans would still be trying to run him out of town, and rightfully so.

give me a break dude. IF IF IF. if mcnabb wasn't such a little bitch the eagles might have won a superbowl. if mcnabb didn't throw that pick early against the pats in the redzone the eagles might have won a superbowl. if my girlfriend had a cock she'd be my boyfriend. who gives a shit about if's. guess what DID happen? eli manning won a superbowl and he didn't hyperventilate, he didn't have a bunch of bullshit excuses as to why he didn't get the job done. his team just got the job done.

you can say "oh well if he didn't have help from his teammates!..." WELL NO SHIT! football is the ultimate team game! tom brady wouldn't have thrown 50 TD's if he didn't have the awesome o-line he had all year. randy moss wouldn't have had 23 TD's if he didn't have tom brady. wes welker wouldn't have had a gajillion catches if he didn't have randy moss drawing all the attention. and so on.

eli manning has something no eagles QB will ever have: a superbowl ring. get over it!

 

[Spectral Glider]

I like how acknowledging Eli played well down the stretch and helped create one of the sport's biggest upsets is considered overrating him. And Eagle fans wonder why they get so much venom spat back at them.

 

[Tamanon]

I like how acknowledging Eli played well down the stretch and helped create one of the sport's biggest upsets is considered overrating him. And Eagle fans wonder why they get so much venom spat back at them.

To be perfectly fair, you can't call Duce an Eagles fan.

 

[Wellington]

I haven't had a chance to watch the game again but here is my analysis:

The chess game was going to be Pats O versus Giants D, and whoever was calling the plays for the Pats never adjusted to the pressure the Giants brought (which is exactly what they did all year anyway). How many screens, draws, pitches or damn near anything did the Pats use to slow the rush? Honestly it's pretty mindboggling. The game was won and loss moreso with the play calling than with individual plays or performances (aside from Tyree). The TD drive in the fourth quarter was the only time they went to max protect IIRC.

Also, on Eli this year: I had him pegged to break out in a big way and I had him at 30 TDs. First game of the year I figured I was dead nuts on the mark and this was going to be the breakout year. From then on it was a shaky wooden coaster all throughout the season. Shades of the Eli I expect came out in the playoffs, but I think he can be more than what we saw and actually carry the O.

Also, the game against Dallas in which he only threw 18 times... Dallas had the ball for so long there was really no chance to get to gunslinging.

 

[Spectral Glider]

To be perfectly fair, you can't call Duce an Eagles fan.

An Eagle sympathizer then?

 

[topsyturvy]

If teams like Denver or Cincy are shit then so are about 11 of the NFC teams :lol

ok, lets tally the average 7-9 teams from the nfc too:

lions
bears
panthers
saints
falcons
san fran
rams

afc:

bills
jets
dolphins
cincy
ravens
broncos
raiders
cheifs

If you don't know by now, those average to shit teams in the nfc are better then the afc average to shit teams. :/

 

[KilledByBill]

I haven't had a chance to watch the game again but here is my analysis:

The chess game was going to be Pats O versus Giants D, and whoever was calling the plays for the Pats never adjusted to the pressure the Giants brought (which is exactly what they did all year anyway). How many screens, draws, pitches or damn near anything did the Pats use to slow the rush? Honestly it's pretty mindboggling. The game was won and loss moreso with the play calling than with individual plays or performances (aside from Tyree). The TD drive in the fourth quarter was the only time they went to max protect IIRC.

I think part of the reason the Patriots offense was unable to adjust was that the Giants completely took away their run game. Not that the Giants were all that effective on the ground themselves but Maroney essentially became on a non-factor in the second half. Also, and this was touched on in the broadcast, the Pats don't seem to have much confidence in Maroney catching the ball out of the backfield. So when Kevin Faulk aggravated his hamstring they seemed to give up on the screens and pitches.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Does anyone know if Tom Brady allowed to call audibles at the line of scrimmage?

 

[TheDuce22]

I like how acknowledging Eli played well down the stretch and helped create one of the sport's biggest upsets is considered overrating him. And Eagle fans wonder why they get so much venom spat back at them.

His teamates were amazing, I will acknowledge that. Hopefully that buys him another 5-8 years in new york.

eli manning has something no eagles QB will ever have: a superbowl ring. get over it!

FALSE!!

 

[Gigglepoo]

His teamates were amazing, I will acknowledge that. Hopefully that buys him another 5-8 years in new york.

Is Tom Brady lower than spider poop in your mind? He was awful against the pass rush in the Super Bowl while Eli excelled under pressure. Should the Jets be glad Brady's going to be in NE for a few more years?

 

[Andokuky]

ok, lets tally the average 7-9 teams from the nfc too:

lions
bears
panthers
saints
falcons
san fran
rams

afc:

bills
jets
dolphins
cincy
ravens
broncos
raiders
cheifs

If you don't know by now, those average to shit teams in the nfc are better then the afc average to shit teams. :/

Uh my point wasn't the record, just the two teams I mentioned. Denver was raped hard by injuries last year and still finished 7-9. The Bengals finished strong and even at 7-9 I would put them ahead of most of the crap in the NFC and even some 8-8 teams like Philly and Minnesota. I mean, if you want to look at it all black and white and go by record, 8-8 is average as well. I would bet on a healthy Broncos team over most NFC teams. Hell I would put a healthy RAMS team over most NFC teams. Sometimes teams don't finish with a record that indicates how good they really are. The Giants are proof of that.

 

[mCACGj]

Uh my point wasn't the record, just the two teams I mentioned. Denver was raped hard by injuries last year and still finished 7-9. The Bengals finished strong and even at 7-9 I would put them ahead of most of the crap in the NFC and even some 8-8 teams like Philly and Minnesota. I mean, if you want to look at it all black and white and go by record, 8-8 is average as well. I would bet on a healthy Broncos team over most NFC teams. Hell I would put a healthy RAMS team over most NFC teams. Sometimes teams don't finish with a record that indicates how good they really are. The Giants are proof of that.

The Eagles were "raped" by injuries too. A lot of teams were. The Broncos sucked, just because they're in a stronger conference doesn't make them a better team.

Even the Giants were ravaged with injuries during the season.

 

[Wellington]

The one thing that the Giants had different this year was a ton of depth.

Shockey goes down, in goes Boss seemlessly.
Madison and Dockery down, Webster and Ross step it up, and even a practice squad player makes an impact.
Kiwanuka down, the MUCH maligned Reggie Torbor fills the hole
James Butler sucks, Michael Johnson flashes
Shaun O'Hara injured in week 17, Grey Reugamer (my boy) slips in
Kawika Mitchell also injured in week 17, Gerris Wilkinson plays the game of his life against the Pats in that same night.

Depth got the Colts the title last year, too.

 

[Andokuky]

His teamates were amazing, I will acknowledge that. Hopefully that buys him another 5-8 years in new york.

Are you joking? Eli played an amazing game. While Brady buckled and folded under pressure, Eli repeatedly escaped it or made quick decisions and threw passes that only his guys were in position to catch. I mean shit, if he doesn't have that one interception against him that was entirely not his fault, he has a QB rating of 100. And he threw 35 passes! How in the hell is that playing a "Trent Dilfer" game? There really is no excuse for such a dumb comment. I mean, you obviously have the internet, do some damn research before you talk out of your ass.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

the afc isn't a vastly superior conference. sure, you take the top 3 teams from the afc and the top 3 from the NFC, the afc is better, but overally it's pretty much a wash. when a team with a RB at QB gets into the playoffs (tennessee), how can you diss on the NFC? i know, they are pretty much like the 06 falcons who didn't make the playoffs, but still. don't fool yourself into believeing the broncos, chiefs, bengals, ravens, or raiders would MAGICALLY qualify for the playoffs competing in the NFC. shit, the broncos had a chance to get into the playoffs 2 years ago by beating a "shitty" 49ers team at home and they couldn't do it

 

[jordan0386]

Are you joking? Eli played an amazing game. While Brady buckled and folded under pressure, Eli repeatedly escaped it or made quick decisions and threw passes that only his guys were in position to catch. I mean shit, if he doesn't have that one interception against him that was entirely not his fault, he has a QB rating of 100. And he threw 35 passes! How in the hell is that playing a "Trent Dilfer" game? There really is no excuse for such a dumb comment. I mean, you obviously have the internet, do some damn research before you talk out of your ass.

No disrespect to you...BUT WHY DO I KEEP SEEING THIS BULLSHIT

He left the field with the lead...lmao...He.Left.The.Field.With.The.Lead.

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

He left the field with the lead...lmao...He.Left.The.Field.With.The.Lead.

he led his team to TWO SCORING DRIVES.

TWO.SCORING.DRIVES.

i wouldn't say he buckled under pressure, but he had to know that 14 points wasn't going to cut the mustard given the pats average defense.

 

[Wellington]

Considering he balked at only scoring 17 points, I'd say Tom Brady buckled.

Face it, Brady got debacled.

 

[Karakand]

Considering he balked at only scoring 17 points, I'd say Tom Brady buckled.

Face it, Brady got debacled.

Like a diamond in cow poo poo.

 

[bionic77]

he led his team to TWO SCORING DRIVES.

TWO.SCORING.DRIVES.

i wouldn't say he buckled under pressure, but he had to know that 14 points wasn't going to cut the mustard given the pats average defense.

Not to mention he had only two scoring drives with what IMHO was the vastly more talented offensive unit. The highest scoring offense in NFL history in fact.

He has the best offensive line. He has a really good rb. He has a ridiculous receiving corps. A good tight end and a great 3rd down back. He was definitely hit in the mouth and it got him off his game making him miss a lot of throws when guys were open. I remember at least 3 times when Brady had time and Moss was open and Brady was MILES off. I mean normally he would toss it up and Moss pull some shit out of his ass come down with the ball, but in the game he was throwing like yards off the mark.

And Duce seriously STFU. Eli lead his team on a game winning drive and made probably the best play ever in the Superbowl and you are acting like he is a scrub.

It is going to be hilarious to see McNabb succeed outside of Philly and seeing your bitch reaction when he does well with another team.

 

[woodchuck]

wtf. brady didn't leave the field with the lead. he left the field with his ass on the ground by the giants dt

and brady was missing a lot of throws he normally makes and made a lot of poor decisions. the brady magic is gone

 

[ManaByte]

wtf. brady didn't leave the field with the lead. he left the field with his ass on the ground

:lol

 

[Tamanon]

Yeah, to be fair, he left the field after starting a drive with 3 timeouts and half a minute to drive to field goal range.

 

[Wellington]

Wow, other GAFfers defending Eli...