ELI MANNING OWNS TIKI BARBER, THE AFC, THE ENTIRE LEAGUE, AND THE UNIVERSE!!!

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Wickerman said:
I can't get enough of the phantom sack and throw to Tyree. I must have seen the replay about 35 times and it doesn't get old.
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I can't believe the Giants ended up having not just one, but two individual efforts better than that ridiculous Pierce tackle in the NFC Championship game. Eli escaping that easy sack was a miracle. Tyree making that grab was a miracle. What happens when two miracles happen on one play?
 
Gigglepoo said:
I can't believe the Giants ended up having not just one, but two individual efforts better than that ridiculous Pierce tackle in the NFC Championship game. Eli escaping that easy sack was a miracle. Tyree making that grab was a miracle. What happens when two miracles happen on one play?
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What about Bradshaw and the two fumbles he helped recover. He knocked the ball into Smith's hands on one, which was a penalty but avoided the turnover, and when he basically ripped the ball from the Pats LB. The Pats LB had the ball, and he just stole it from him. If Belichick reviewed that play, it probably would have been overturned because the LB was down by contact as soon as he recovered but the refs didn't blow the play dead.

Billy B was totally out coached in that game, but a lot of things broke the Giants way.
 
LJ11 said:
What about Bradshaw and the two fumbles he helped recover. He knocked the ball into Smith's hands on one, which was a penalty but avoided the turnover, and when he basically ripped the ball from the Pats LB. The Pats LB had the ball, and he just stole it from him. If Belichick reviewed that play, it probably would have been overturned because the LB was down by contact as soon as he recovered but the refs didn't blow the play dead.

Billy B was totally out coached in that game, but a lot of things broke the Giants way.
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Bradshaw had a hand under the player on the ball as they were both going for the ball, you could see it on the alternate angle they showed on the replay. In that instance, you can't rule down by contact because possession was still to be determined. Bradshaw out-muscled him for the ball before the refs unpiled. Possession Giants. A challenge would have been wasted there.

I do agree though, Coughlin out coached the Genius. Not only during the game, he had the Giants better prepared throughout the whole week.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Bradshaw had a hand under the player on the ball as they were both going for the ball, you could see it on the alternate angle they showed on the replay. In that instance, you can't rule down by contact because possession was still to be determined. Bradshaw out-muscled him for the ball before the refs unpiled. Possession Giants. A challenge would have been wasted there.

I do agree though, Coughlin out coached the Genius. Not only during the game, he had the Giants better prepared throughout the whole week.
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They just replayed the Bradshaw fumble over half a dozen times on one of the local radioshows, it's also broadcast on YES, and Bradshaw stole the ball. If you see it again, man it wasn't even close in my eyes. Bradshaw stole it. He got his hand underneath the defender, but the defender already had possession so he was basically down by contact. The Pat defender was dumb when he rolled over and exposed the ball. If he laid flat it may have been Patriot ball. I'm not sure the play was even reviewable though.

Bottom line, Giants beat the Pats at their own game.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Bradshaw had a hand under the player on the ball as they were both going for the ball, you could see it on the alternate angle they showed on the replay. In that instance, you can't rule down by contact because possession was still to be determined. Bradshaw out-muscled him for the ball before the refs unpiled. Possession Giants. A challenge would have been wasted there.

I do agree though, Coughlin out coached the Genius. Not only during the game, he had the Giants better prepared throughout the whole week.
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The patriots clearly recovered that fumble ans one of the giants rolled him over and pried it out of his hands. I don't like the patriots and im glad the giants got the fumble recovery but that was a cheap play for sure.
 
bionic77 said:
I love Eli more than anyone else at the moment, but man you can't compare any of the current qb's to Cool Joe. The guy was simply the best there ever was.

The comparison for Eli should be made with Big Ben and Philip Rivers. Eli shits all over Rivers right now and is equal with Ben at the moment (IMHO). They both throw a few too many INTs at time, but at the same time they both have the balls to drive down the field at the end of the game. Both Eli and Ben led the only two teams to win a SB winning every game on the road.
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I agree, Cool Joe is still the best. I am not even a 49'ers fan.

But yea, Manning has the leg up on my boy Rivers now (obviously). Hopefully next year, Rivers will get healthy and Chargers will get where they need to be. I would love a Rivers/Eli Super Bowl. Damn, it would be great.
 
BakedPigeon said:
The patriots clearly recovered that fumble ans one of the giants rolled him over and pried it out of his hands. I don't like the patriots and im glad the giants got the fumble recovery but that was a cheap play for sure.
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I feel the same way about it but it is not a cheap play. This happens all the time in NFL games, it might not be right, but it's not cheap, it's smart football to keep playing until you hear the whistle. I personally blame the refs for not blowing the whistle and ruling the Patriots got the ball. There is nothing cheap about what Bradshaw did.
 
Giants-Patriots Most-Watched Super Bowl

By DAVID BAUDER – 42 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The New York Giants' thrilling win over the New England Patriots was the most-watched Super Bowl ever, with 97.5 million viewers, Nielsen Media Research said Monday.

The game eclipsed the previous Super Bowl record of 94.08 million, set when Dallas defeated Pittsburgh in 1996. Only one other show in American broadcast history was watched by more people, the "M-A-S-H" finale in 1983, which drew 106 million viewers.
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVlJOEARDDd1l6bI6bwjfLlAM6BwD8UJN36O0

Butbutbut but no one wants to watch the Giants against the Pats in the Super Bowl...
 
GoutPatrol said:
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This is fucking genius!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
LJ11 said:
They just replayed the Bradshaw fumble over half a dozen times on one of the local radioshows, it's also broadcast on YES, and Bradshaw stole the ball. If you see it again, man it wasn't even close in my eyes. Bradshaw stole it. He got his hand underneath the defender, but the defender already had possession so he was basically down by contact. The Pat defender was dumb when he rolled over and exposed the ball. If he laid flat it may have been Patriot ball. I'm not sure the play was even reviewable though.
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"on top of" is not the same as possession. I never saw the defender controlling the ball.

In fact, to see it again, I just fastforwarded through an hour of Super Bowl broadcast to check it out. The last replay they show (angle is from behind the defender), you see him go down, touch the ball -- that's not possession. You see him hit the ground, touching the ball, trying to get a grip... his top hand is above the nose of the ball -- still not possession. Then Bradshaw gets his hand on the ball, and presumably pulls it out.

EDIT: In fact, as you see Bradshaw pile on, the Pats guy's arm moves away from the ball... he never had a grip.
 
Wickerman said:
I saw that too. He makes a lot of those mistakes, doesn't he? :lol

I can't get enough of the phantom sack and throw to Tyree. I must have seen the replay about 35 times and it doesn't get old.
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The thing about Emmit is that he knows wtf he is talking about, but his delivery is so bad. He has gotten alot better than in the beginning of the year. Hopefully he works hard at it in the off-season and gets better. Because he does have the knowledge about the game, but just can't convey it yet.
 
ALeperMessiah said:
The Bears have already done what the Pats did this year. Twice. And nobody remembers those teams. Granted, it happened during the 30's and 40's, but the point remains. People remember winners. Nobody remembers that the Mariner's team of a few years ago (I can't even remember the fucking year) tied the record for most wins in a regular season. They lost in the first round of the playoffs and were forgotten about shortly thereafter. Nobody remembers the Vikings team that went 15-1 and lost in the NFC championship to Atlanta. Nobody remembers the team that didn't win it all.
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Unless you're the Bills and you lose four fucking times in a row. Trust me, I'm a Buffalo fan and get smart-ass reminders of this any time the super bowl comes up.

The Patriots may have lost the Super Bowl, but they did run up the score against overmatched teams during meaningless regular season games, and no one can ever take that away from them.
 
SickBoy said:
"on top of" is not the same as possession. I never saw the defender controlling the ball.

In fact, to see it again, I just fastforwarded through an hour of Super Bowl broadcast to check it out. The last replay they show (angle is from behind the defender), you see him go down, touch the ball -- that's not possession. You see him hit the ground, touching the ball, trying to get a grip... his top hand is above the nose of the ball -- still not possession. Then Bradshaw gets his hand on the ball, and presumably pulls it out.

EDIT: In fact, as you see Bradshaw pile on, the Pats guy's arm moves away from the ball... he never had a grip.
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Exactly. With no possession, there is no down by contact. If the Pat had scooped the ball up on the run, that's a different story. Scrums are handled completely different though. Play was typical of that game, Giants wanted it more.
 
MiamiWesker said:
David Tyree had four catches all year?!?!?

:lol
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He had one where he caught it with his feet while tip-toeing the sideline with his hands. He had another where he caught it on his helmet, after leaping 2 feet off the ground, while falling on top of a hard hitting safety backwards who happened to be draped all over him and finally balanced the ball between his hands like a man holding on to his own soul.

Only one of those is true.
 
I want some level headed football fans on this one; looking through the dynasties of each decade (Steelers of 70's, 49ers of 80's, Cowboys of 90's and Pats of 00's, please dont argue them, thats how it is) none of the previous ones ever lost a SB in their decade. The pats are the first dynasty to lose a SB, does that diminish them a bit. I am not looking to compare dynasties here, I don't care if you don't think the Pats are worthy or whatever. What I am asking is does a loss of a dynasty team hurt their previous acheivements. Think of it like this if the 49ers lost a fifth SB in the 80's would it hurt their image or do they get credit for making it to another SB.

So far for me, I think the Pats lost something. Brady doesn't look as awesome as he did. Belichick doesn't seem like the genius he once was. I don't think its fair cause they made it to the SB, they had an incredible season but thats my first gut reaction. Its weird.
 
Karakand said:
Bitter tears are a serious injury. Discretion is the better part of valor for these two guys, no doubt.
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you heard brady earlier in the week.... Moss goes and I go... they are a package deal...
 
MiamiWesker said:
The pats are the first dynasty to lose a SB, does that diminish them a bit.
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Doesn't it have to?

Look at the Bulls with Jordan. As a Pacer fan, I take pride in the fact that we took them to 7 games in the '98 Eastern Conference Finals. They were so good and so unbeatable, simply coming closer than any other team felt like a moral victory.

The fact that the Patriots lost when most of their players are still in their prime and they were heavy favorites does put a blow into their overall dynasty. Losing at the beginning or end is one thing - you're players are young or too old - but at this point, it takes away some of their sheen.
 
Congrats to CK and all the other Giants fans. I was rooting for you guys these past two weeks and pretty much gone loco during the 4th quarter last night. Amazing game! :D
 
I demand everyone in this thread buy a copy of their local paper and mail it to Wellington :lol

*goes out and buys Houston Chronicle
 
MiamiWesker said:
I want some level headed football fans on this one; looking through the dynasties of each decade (Steelers of 70's, 49ers of 80's, Cowboys of 90's and Pats of 00's, please dont argue them, thats how it is) none of the previous ones ever lost a SB in their decade. The pats are the first dynasty to lose a SB, does that diminish them a bit. I am not looking to compare dynasties here, I don't care if you don't think the Pats are worthy or whatever. What I am asking is does a loss of a dynasty team hurt their previous acheivements. Think of it like this if the 49ers lost a fifth SB in the 80's would it hurt their image or do they get credit for making it to another SB.

So far for me, I think the Pats lost something. Brady doesn't look as awesome as he did. Belichick doesn't seem like the genius he once was. I don't think its fair cause they made it to the SB, they had an incredible season but thats my first gut reaction. Its weird.
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Branduil said:
Those other dynasties were also able to win a Super Bowl by more than 3 points.
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That's also something to consider. The Cowboys were absolutely dominant in their 3 wins. 49ers dramatic as well as dominant. Steelers able to meet any challenge, beating great Dallas teams, as well as just being winners. Dominating one or two Super Bowls in the process.

The Patriots have always been defined as winners. Not dominant always, they just end up on top. That's been the legacy they were building. With this loss that changes the definition of what this Patriots team is. If only slightly. They won 21 straight regular season games at one point, ending in a Superbowl. They won 18 in a row here. But they didn't finish it when it mattered most here. That has to say something.
 
It says...they lost one game.

Probably be right back in the big game next year.

Shout out to Brady for going 80 yards, light, when his team needed it. Defense just couldnt finish.
 
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