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Elite Dangerous: Horizons |OT| Just scratching the surface
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Felix Lighter
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Can the beta be launched from the Steam launcher or will I need to do what I did for the Horizon's beta and launch from the other launcher?
Caesar III
Member
I'm downloading right now with the launcher from steam.
Felix Lighter
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Ha, yeah, that's what exploration needed!
Felix Lighter
Member
Weird I just tried and the beta option has an upgrade option that is greyed out for me. I bought beta access for this season.
DouglasteR
Member
I saw some VR notes, but it doesnt especific say anything about the Vive
Anton Sugar
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Anton Sugar
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From that same 2.1/1.6 reddit megapost--looks like ice mining could be lucrative (Low Temperature Diamond):
Yeah, ice rings look fantastic:
Obsidian also just posted a 2.1 vid. Goes over graphical changes. He says "there is no performance hit for this that I have noticed...plus this is on a new Ultra setting."
He remarks that, overall, the lighting or rendering seems improved. Feels like the default colors are richer.
EDIT: Seems like FD has made major optimizations--probably necessary to get Horizons on X1:
Still waiting for some damned planet screens.
2.1 + gemFX
Credits : AlexeiTND
If you don'T see this looks better, you may be blind.
Yeah, ice rings look fantastic:
Obsidian also just posted a 2.1 vid. Goes over graphical changes. He says "there is no performance hit for this that I have noticed...plus this is on a new Ultra setting."
He remarks that, overall, the lighting or rendering seems improved. Feels like the default colors are richer.
EDIT: Seems like FD has made major optimizations--probably necessary to get Horizons on X1:
Still waiting for some damned planet screens.
Anton Sugar
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Mengy
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Changes to the Bulletin Board are pretty great. It's slow as fuck to load though.
Here's one of our GAF contacts and a successful mission:
The elements on the second screenshot animate in. So the mission banner and the checkmark show up, then the contact response etc.
Max angle of the advanced scanner view range is ten degrees. If you guys try and defend this I'm out.
Here's one of our GAF contacts and a successful mission:
The elements on the second screenshot animate in. So the mission banner and the checkmark show up, then the contact response etc.
Where are you seeing this? it's not in the patch notes....
Max angle of the advanced scanner view range is ten degrees. If you guys try and defend this I'm out.
Caesar III
Member
Could someone with modified GUI colors check if their portraits are in check? It seems like mine did get some color changing as well. As if they were depending on the colors of the GUI. I do use the green for VR.
Anton Sugar
Member
That is beyond fucked if it means what it seems to mean. I'll make a reddit post.
Anton Sugar
Member
I've been thinking about it and it's technically not bad, as a standalone value and if it existed in a vacuum. A 10 degree angle over thousands and thousands over kilometers is a HUGE area.
However, as a downgrade from what we had, it is awful. MUCH more tedious to scan systems, especially considering the system map isn't actually representative of the structure of a system.
This change would have been awesome if it had arrive hand in hand with a huge increase in exploration income. Honestly I -like- the idea of actually searching for planets and secondary stars... but exploration was already the worst path when it comes to payouts.😕
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah, I posted this thread in reddit and someone suggested the active range may be when you use it, while passive may be when you're just flying around.
However, range =/= angle. Angle would still seem to require some active maneuvering of the ship once you jump in.
EDIT:
Huge multi-cannon test
Huge beam laser test
So I went to Farseer Inc. (base of FSD/explorer engineer). They have no bulletin board so I need to apply who knows how many of these shitty upgrades to get to Grade 2. Grinds within grinds within fucking grinds. How is one company's design philosophy so fucking terrible and boring?
Quick thoughts as I didn't get to try it much: Planet surface txtures have been tremendously improved! Asteroid rings on ultra with asteroids casting shadows on each other are great. Suns look a lot more blazing.
Didn't get to try much of the engineers, but landed at one's base (the woman who wants fish) and had a look at the bio-domes. Under some of them are fields with a rotating roboter arm waterng/fertilizing(?) them. Nice touch.
Didn't get to try much of the engineers, but landed at one's base (the woman who wants fish) and had a look at the bio-domes. Under some of them are fields with a rotating roboter arm waterng/fertilizing(?) them. Nice touch.
Michael Armbrust
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Anton Sugar
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Re: exploration nerf, most people seem to regard it as a non issue--check my post here.
They think they're just stats that may have already existed but were hidden. Doesn't seem like anyone has actually done a comparison yet, but I wouldn't cry foul just yet.
They think they're just stats that may have already existed but were hidden. Doesn't seem like anyone has actually done a comparison yet, but I wouldn't cry foul just yet.
Felix Lighter
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I know they've made some strange decisions but I can't imagine FDev is that tone deaf to add tedium to an already tedious underdeveloped major occupation in the game.
After seeing these horrible changes to AI (automatically running with no shields, making combat with big ships laborious as fuck) and making you upgrade modules and waste countless materials to rank up 1 engineer, I think they're capable of any level of stupidity.
Anton Sugar
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Lots more customization coming!
Man... I get that you're angry/disappointed/sad/''insert emotion'' and all but have you maybe thought you should maybe go away from this game?
Come back later? I mean, that,s what I,m doing. I'm waiting for when it's gonna get better. I've already ''given'' that game over 200h so I had more fun with this game than many other in my life.
Just my two cents.
Come back later? I mean, that,s what I,m doing. I'm waiting for when it's gonna get better. I've already ''given'' that game over 200h so I had more fun with this game than many other in my life.
Just my two cents.
frontieruk
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Except if the voices wanting to improve different parts of the game go, they'll get even less attention.
Yeah, my bad. I'll just jog on and join the "Don't change anything, they're cry babies." "Don't do that, that's EVE!" "These babies don't want to work for anything!" crowd.
I would imagine that's affecting only the passive discovery, that your ship must be pointed at the object and within range to pick it up. I think a lot of people forget that there is passive detection with those.. they pick up the star that you jump to before you can even set off the burst.
I seriously doubt, after all this time of more or less ignoring exploration, that they would actually nerf something, especially something so major.
i would tell you to keep your two cents. if the passive route is what you've chosen, fine, but I appreciate people speaking up to make this game better. Some of these changes sound like shit, and if people know the right trees to shake, do it. I see nothing that makes me want to upgrade to Horizons just yet, and I have this earmarked 37.99 just waiting for a real deserving reason.
Anton Sugar
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FD forum thread regarding the same complaint that Bo has: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=246739
Currently 30-0 in favor of the change. Looks like they're not all insane like previously thought.
Dreams-Visions
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Agreed, but there's a stark difference between constructive criticism that encourages discussion and critiques that regularly and unreasonably question the intelligence of clearly capable designers and developers. It's one thing to dislike an idea or approach and want to discuss what a better approach may be like. It's quite another to say, "you're stupid." I see quite a bit of the later with very little of the former from certain posters. With respect, its fucking exhausting. If your incessantly negative feedback is that important in your mind to voice, don't let us stop you from sending said comments to FDev directly and/or posting them on Reddit or their official forums where people who matter are actually around to read them. Hell, send them an email or support ticket if you're so inclined. All of those channels are easily found.
I don't usually comment on things like this but really, fuck outtahere with that. The game isn't all flowers for sure. It's also not a bad game made by stupid developers because there are elements that you don't like or because they aren't addressing your issues fast enough. In short, chill the fuck out and add a touch more constructive to your criticism. We don't want to read your venting, snark and cynicism.
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, that's pretty insane. I thought for sure they'd offer missions that help you "rank" up. I've never liked "you have to craft X amount of items" in MMOs *unless* what you were crafting was actually valuable and useful.
This could mean either as an equipment upgrade or trade/sell with other players for profit. Neither of those seem to be the case.
Also, unlike MMOs, you can't just go and click a bunch of times to gather materials or hack 15 spiders to death in 10 minutes. Everything takes a significant amount of time in ED compared to the MMOs they're trying to emulate--they need to take this into consideration.
Sure, but I'm just saying that at this point it seems past criticism.
Not at all what I said. No need to do 180°.
I appreciate people that can put in words better than me all the criticism we have against the game because YES the game should be better than it is. But like I'm saying, this seems past the criticism threshold, but again, that's just my point of view and I get your point too.
Sorry guys >>
Hey man, Mengy isn't that bad.
You could just put me on the ignore list, Frontier has.
Someone likened it to crafting and trashing iron daggers in Skyrim. Made me laugh quite a bit, it's exactly what they have in place. Frontier isn't a group of idiots which makes seeing something like that being presented in a beta pretty shocking IMO. I mean how many eyes did that pass on its way here? You'd think with the big improvement to the mission system it would be obvious for them to take advantage of it.
You're fine. Just giving you a hard time. I'm the first to admit that I'm an asshole.
The world may never know. Now the real question is if they take the L and say "Our bad guys" and change it immediately or make people suffer for a bit. Because as it stands right now, I can't imagine people will actually test ranking them up with the current system.
Edit: Has anyone come across that new POI implementation to guide you down from orbit or something? I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for if that's in.
That came off harsher than intended. I have just been lurking the FD forums and seeing all these nice ideas and interesting requests, and the general attitude that FDev ignores them, and that everything is trying to mimic the sci-fi mmo market instead of making ED a complete and fun gaming world.
Like I was wondering if anyone had ever created an Abolitionist faction to work within Empire space, attacking slave traders and stealing and freeing slaves. A number of Abolitionist systems working with Aisling Duval as a rebel faction. And have it be this entire thing, since they have all the other moving parts, but aside from pages of discussion on the idea, people gave up on it last year because general lack of response to that kind of thing. I mean, the slave rebellion was touted last year as major content, but the most that happened was some generated number stats and a few randomly generated capital ship battles that no one ever saw.
I think I get it. The game makers are providing what they have planned as content, not what we are asking from them off the cuff. They simply can't do everything, etc. But what always seems to happen in these online mmo situations is they take forever giving us what we never wanted, and ignore us when we ask them for things we would like. Inflexibility, low response, and ultimately the fun loses momentum to the grind, that's how you lose people.
I don't have the energy to be a consistently squeaky wheel, but I have seen that the strategy does work. They DO respond, even though so many times I find those online petitioners to be annoying as well.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm actually really enjoying the AI improvements. Since 1.3, AI has been so brain dead, 4 pips to shields and 2 to weapons, you could fight in a RES indefinitely if you avoided dangerous wings. I could take down an Elite Anaconda faster than just about any other ship quickly stripping down shields and then hitting it's power plant with 2 huge cannon shots. Now the AI makes some reasonable decisions, is aggressive and evasive and gives you a reason to put pips into engines. It will make bounty hunting a bit less lucrative but it seems bounty values were slightly higher.
Anton Sugar
Member
Some additional input from reddit on the "grind to rank up engineers" fiasco:
Also, check out Robigo missions/payouts in 2.1...
Also, check out Robigo missions/payouts in 2.1...
turtlesbonanza
Member
I haven't played Elite in over a year but I just found out one of my friends has been playing it, so I'm wanting to get back into it now that we'll have a small wing.
From memory I had a Cobra and a few million I'd made from rares trading and RES fighting.
For someone that hasn't played since before a lot of changes were made (eg. powerplay and horizons) do you have any tips or suggestions? What's money making like now? I remember it being quite slow.
I have also since redeemed it on steam (as originally I was playing via the stand alone launcher).
From memory I had a Cobra and a few million I'd made from rares trading and RES fighting.
For someone that hasn't played since before a lot of changes were made (eg. powerplay and horizons) do you have any tips or suggestions? What's money making like now? I remember it being quite slow.
I have also since redeemed it on steam (as originally I was playing via the stand alone launcher).