Elon Musk Says Tesla Model 3 Will Cost $35,000 Before Incentives
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Mr.Monitor
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This is a damn good dream. I'm hoping the same. Planning on getting a new car in 2016 or 2017, so this seems like the most likely candidate.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
You might get both in a Tesla. Model S currently has some kind of auto pilot thing going on...
TAJ
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That's quite a trick considering that the cheapest car starts at $12,000.
Chances are good. The tax rebate runs out for a manufacturer once the sell 200k EVs in the US. I'd guess Tesla is around 100-150k EVs sold in the US by the end of 2017.
I'd assume preorders will start when the reveal the prototype in 2016. If you don't get in quickly it wouldn't be unthinkable that you would have to wait a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eObSjtU6YXc
http://www.startribune.com/new-minnesota-house-energy-chief-drives-a-tesla/288082601/
Plus the country with the most Model S' in Europe is Norway.
Timing the market is almost impossible, but maybe you can do it!
You can still order online and have it delivered to you. You just can't purchase it at a Tesla store (gallery) in Texas.
Exactly what I expected.
I'm currently driving an Audi A3 and I'm interested in the new Tesla. Really, really interested.
As much as I admire the Model S, it's not the car that I'm looking for.
But if in <5 years a Tesla 3 with full battery will take me + payload at least 300 km in winter, including mountain roads I'll get one happily.
I'm currently driving an Audi A3 and I'm interested in the new Tesla. Really, really interested.
As much as I admire the Model S, it's not the car that I'm looking for.
But if in <5 years a Tesla 3 with full battery will take me + payload at least 300 km in winter, including mountain roads I'll get one happily.
CharlieDigital
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I have a rule of thumb: buy it if it goes below $200. Sell it if it goes above $240.
I'm on my 3rd ride now. Made something like 30% returns on the last ride. Currently sitting on 19%.
Overall return rate on my TSLA stock is 35%. I think I sold another batch for like 50% returns.
Now is not a good time to buy; I don't see it going much higher before another dip. Could easily dip below $200 on even mildly bad news like Gigafactory or Model X delays.
rokkerkory
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Might get one if it looks nice
maquiladora
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A self-driving Tesla would be cool.
Shining Sunshine
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Isn't there a state that will tax you for having an electric car?
RustyNails
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Is Model X coming out before Model 3 confirmed?
Model X is coming out late this year. Model 3 is slated for 2017 with the prototype coming early 2016. It was confirmed a while ago.
Edit - To elaborate a little bit, a big reason for their huge cash burn last quarter was ramping up for Model X production.
And one of the things they're hoping on to get the Model 3 cheaper is the new battery factory through economies of scale. The factory won't come online until 2017.
TheAbsolution
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Yes. Georgia.
Sigh.
this is on par with something out of children of men
The Avantime was from the future though.
Why is that anyways?
I believe their justification is that gas taxes are used to fund road and transportation projects; electric car drivers use these roads and skirt the taxation.
starchild excalibur
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I'm definitely interested in this, as long as it doesn't end up looking like the Chevy Bolt.
Ah right I think I remember hearing that now. Never thought I would see something like this. But here it is.
GoldenEye 007
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I had the same reaction as you no doubt. But I kind of understand. Gas taxes usually go to fixing roads. And with little to no gas, you have the same wear on the road with no "payment" for it.
Of course things probably balance out in other areas, but fat chance laws and tax codes will ever be that nuanced and reasonable.
Damerman
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the very definition of myopia.
piratepwnsninja
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It's too bad I really need a new car this year, though I have been considering a Leaf.
I'm surprised this is actually a thing down in GA considering how conservative the state is.
TheAbsolution
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Was a thing.
Yep. You now have to PAY the state a tax for an EV.
Georgia state gov't needs money.
Oh, right.
andthebeatgoeson
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What? Why? Fuck you, Deal. How much?
Last I heard, with electric cars there's no manual, as in there's no gears to use. In automatics, the gears change automatically, but here there are none.
Well something has to transmit engine rpms to axle rotation, no? I mean there has to be some sort of transmission. Maybe a fixed gear, but still a transmission.
I suppose you do have to manually select all of the gears available, which would be one forward and one backward.
Yes, just a single forward gear.
simplest, and most boring
I think its 200 bucks. But they used to give you a 5,000$ tax credit. So axing that and charging 200 bucks will help fill a big hole in the state's budget.
It's one of the few things Nathan Deal has done right since he's been in office!
I think its 200 bucks. But they used to give you a 5,000$ tax credit. So axing that and charging 200 bucks will help fill a big hole in the state's budget.
It's one of the few things Nathan Deal has done right since he's been in office!
Boring in the best way, as in less likely to fail. I doubt you've driven a Model S, so you have no clue what it's like to drive. Most critically acclaimed car on the road right now.
$5k is a hefty tax credit for a state, but removing the entire incentive is shortsighted. If EVs were a solid fraction of the market, sure, but 1% is still tiny compared to ICEs. They have shot themselves in the foot, most likely, as people will look to defer buying an EV or move to another state with better incentives.
Looks like he has a ton of legroom to me. Modern hatchs have tons of room.
People aren't going to move over this kind of tax. Something is going to change considering the gas tax basically funds road repairs and improvements.
Ok yes, fine, great, the Model S is the most critically acclaimed car on the road. However, this thread is about the model 3. I somehow doubt the model 3 is going to have the same sheer power that the performance model S does, considering it is about 50k cheaper.
Also, for those of us who prefer shifting transmissions and more control over the car, it doesn't matter what acclaim a consumer publication heaps on it. I've got a pretty good idea what it is capable of. Remember that m5 vs. Tesla thread from a couple years back? We argued stats in that one - its got a monster 0-60 thanks to instant torque but in many other performance measures its not all that different from comparable sedans and in some cases, worse. Performance (not fuel economy), control, and physics are what make cars "fun" to drive for most people that care about this sort of thing. Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys have both received accolades in the past as family sedans - that doesn't mean they are all of a sudden fun to drive. Just because a car is reviewed well doesn't mean its automatically all things to all people. Replying with "you dont know what you are talking about, its critically acclaimed!" to a question of whether something is fun to drive or not is not a very good argument to make.
As far as the tax credit goes, people like buying EVs because they like not having to fill up. The state is willing to bet that the tax credit isn't going to deter an EV buyer who likely already has their mind set on one.
And I seriously doubt anyone is going to move out of state simply because of an EV tax. That's kind of crazy.
What i don't understand about electric cars is the monotoneus design and that every manufacturer totally rips off the other ones designs (like the Volt a couple of posts up, it totally looks like the BMW i3) and most electric cars all end up looking the same.
But whatever with cars, i want a electric motorbike - like the HD Limewire <3
But whatever with cars, i want a electric motorbike - like the HD Limewire <3
i dont understand this either and it doesn't have to be this way. Teslas aren't like that. If they can do it, then so can other manufacturers.
Tesla is indeed nothing like that. But all the other electrics i've seen driving around look alike.
Okay, for a normal car I would agree but how the hell would shifting gears give you more control over something with literally just one gear? It goes forward and reverse. The motor can operate at such high revs that there's no need for multiple gears in the first place.
Also maybe Georgia's legislature should think about other forms of revenue rather than making themselves look stupid. Making people pay a tax for not using gas and helping keep the air a bit cleaner while other states are giving a +5000 dollar credit is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard all day. Yet another reason (of many) why the South is like an anchor while the rest of the country tries to move in a positive direction.
Because the money for repairing roads comes from tax on gasoline, so owners of EVs were not paying their share of the maintenance costs.
Oh don't worry, they are. For instance, having to pay sales tax on private auto sales now.
Eliminating the EV tax credit is a no-brainer if they believe it won't hurt EV sales. Assuming EV sales stay mostly the same, the state is losing out on a lot of potential revenue.
Gotta do what you gotta do, I get that. But for such an anti-tax part of the country, it just seems a little crazy that the state would TAX EV buyers on top of removing the credit.
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