BertramCooper
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This page has a map display of current charger stations and planned charger stations.
By the time this thing comes out the charging network is going to be huge.
Elon Musk Says Tesla Model 3 Will Cost $35,000 Before Incentives
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This page has a map display of current charger stations and planned charger stations.
By the time this thing comes out the charging network is going to be huge.
This is awesome news.
Butts-a-plenty
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but gas is so cheap now.
I would say the E-class, A6 and 5-series are the main competitors for the Model S, but I otherwise that seems accurate.
I'd appreciate the insight without the snark but whatever.
DoktorEvil
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I'll believe when I see it.
For now, having only 2 charging stations in NY, 1 located near the airport is not enough of an allure to jump into electric yet.
So this 35K model is the entry into Tesla motors?
We bought a Leaf in June of last year, so the timing will be perfect to move on to the 3 once it's released. We love ours too. My wife has free lvl 2 charging at her work so we hardly need to charge at home.
I just did the math after owning the Leaf for 6 months and after factoring in what we've saved on gas and maintenance, the car has only cost us around $112. It's been damn near free to drive.
The bottom range of the S is over 200 miles, and over 250 on a higher capacity. I doubt the 3 will be less than the base S. You should be fine unless you're doing quite a bit of driving other than your commute. Also, by the time the 3 comes out, there should be a great deal more charging stations.
WarMacheen
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How viable is this for people without a garage. People who have to park in a parking garage or street side.
ThatGuyAgain
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Any pictures and/or spec info on the Model 3 or has this been kept top secret?
Lord Error
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IMO, it's completely in-viable if you have to park on the street side. I don't think it would be allowed running a cable across the public sidewalk so that you charge the car every other night. Plus what if the spots in front of your house are taken and you have to park a bit farther away.
I'm curious about the same thing. My house doesn't have a garage so I'm wondering how safe and secure it would be to charge outdoors. I can park in the same place every night though, so it isn't the same scenario as you.
Realistically I'll probably wait to buy an EV after my next car when I have a garage.
If Toronto weather is anything like Ottawa weather was yesterday/this morning, it wasn't a typo.
And I've seen enough Model S's driving around to call it an upscale mass market car, so I don't think the "all mass market electric cars look shitty argument" applies when you take Tesla into account.
Admiral Woofington
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I'd probably say it isn't too viable as garages tend to have outlets while say an apartment parking lot doesn't really have any nearby outlet. That is assuming that whatever charging station for this thing is connected to a regular outlet.
I never said the cars were dying in the street.
I was just repeating information that I've read from sites like Forbes and other sites that report that the range you get in cold weather isn't close to the advertised range. I'd also be concerned about the long term lifespan of the battery and/or the effects of parking outside (without a carport) in colder climates. I have a regular electric plug available to me, but that is currently reserved for my engine block heater.
neogaffer1
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Knowing Tesla, they'll announce it this year and it'll only come to market three years from now after like two or three delays.
Shake Appeal
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I would love to get one of these, but as long as I live in a place without good electric car infrastructure (and in an apartment, too), it's not viable.
The Iron Yuppie
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Gives me a couple more years to limp along with my current POS, and then I'll be totally down for a Tesla if it hits that price range.
Problem I see is that when I think about the kind of car I actually needsomething cheap and reliableI don't see any way that a basic Toyota wouldn't still be more cost-effective over the long run. It's like the problem with hybridseven with the incentives and $4/gallon gas, given the amount I drive I would never save money during the life of the car by buying the more expensive car versus paying for more expensive gas.
Sure, a much cheaper car can get you from point A to point B just fine.
Given the amount of time I spend in my car, I think it's worth it to have one that I actually like driving. Nice technology in my car makes me not hate it.
crazygambit
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Because refueling takes all of 5 minutes while recharging can take hours?
Yesterday, I purchased a Tesla Model III D with dual electric motor all wheel drive
This morning I signaled my car to pull out of my garage and wait for me.
I take my last sip of coffee and pack up my Surface 4 tablet
After surfing with Google Fiber at home, I transfer to the Tesla onboard WiFi with full voice control and ask it where the closest retailer is that is selling the collectors edition version of Half Life 3. I really want that Orange Crow Bar.
It's going to be a great day indeed.
This morning I signaled my car to pull out of my garage and wait for me.
I take my last sip of coffee and pack up my Surface 4 tablet
After surfing with Google Fiber at home, I transfer to the Tesla onboard WiFi with full voice control and ask it where the closest retailer is that is selling the collectors edition version of Half Life 3. I really want that Orange Crow Bar.
It's going to be a great day indeed.
Is it sad that out of all the stuff you listed, I got the most excited about Half Life 3?
No! Embrace it. Maybe the car will be autonomous and let you play HL3 as it drives you.
Tesla supercharger is free to use and takes about 30 min for an 80% charge, which is what they recommend when on trips. So yes, filling up with gas is quicker but is more expensive and worse for the environment. It's up to consumers which is more important.
How much does it raise your electric bill?
When they get battery swap stations up and running it will take as much time to get fully charged batteries as it does to fill a tank.
http://www.teslamotors.com/videos/battery-swap-event
That and a model under 40k will be amazing.
Since my wife charges at work, hardly anything. I'd say less than $12 a month if we actually do spend a decent time charging. At most, it might cost $35-$40 a month if we constantly charged at home. Though we try and take advantage of off-peak rates where the cost of electricity is cut in half.
Tesla sells batteries to Freightliner vans, but it only has a 100 mile range. Electric tech is more ready for consumers than it is for industrial grade vehicles, and attracting early adopters and the pop culture is just as important as that. Thanks to Tesla we have competitors like Nissan and Chevy that will only help expand electric vehicle infrastructure.
Hopefully electric vehicles penetrate the industrial market but diesel and off road situations makes it a hard sell.
a Prius C is only $21,000 and gets 40-45 mpg. I know cause I have one. its not *that* more expensive than a regular car.
i guess people are sick of gas powered vehicles and want something new. Yes we have no data on Tesla's long term quality but there plenty of car manufacturers that consistently make worrysome cars and they are still around *cough* MINI *cough*
Yes there are not nearly enough recharging stations. If you live in an area that does not support it, it's safe to say EV is *NOT* for you. Gas cars will always be cheaper and more convenient.
Progress takes time and money. EV is still in its infancy. You can't expect Tesla to come out with electric cars AND an infrastructure to support it overnight. How about we support it instead of complaining about it?
wanderingprostheyltite
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Damn, wish I was graduating high school again for this. Yes, I was a spoiled shit and got a new car for graduation. Now I'm broke af and really want this.
WarMacheen
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I have a garage and have high hopes this car delivers, but unless the "no garage" recharging problem is solved the technology will be limited.
OldAsUrSock
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Now we are in the price range where middle class families will look into these vehicles. 28k for a car that will save them money each month from better efficiency compared to another 28k gasoline car these two electric vehicles will look like a nice proposition. Still, there needs to be a real SUV because there is a large car buying portion of America that almost exclusively purchases SUVs (Tahoe, Sequoia, Suburban, Explorer, etc...). Those people will not even consider these "toy" cars.
oh no it doesnt look like a camry!
I'm definitely interested in this, as long as it doesn't end up looking like the Chevy Bolt.
oh no it doesnt look like a camry!
And to get there, they need the Gigafactory to be completed.
Unless you're a taxi driver, most people leave their cars at home for a long time until they use it again. Funny how we're so used to charging our phones daily, that charging a car that we use less would be a hassle. Electrics aren't the best solution for long distance travel YET, 40 minute charges are a small price to pay for pushing the tech forward.
Power plants are more efficient than ICEs, and are also better at cleaning emissions.
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