They DO need third party games for library diversity there are genres that Nintendo alone can't fill.
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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Theanine3D
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I don't care about third party support, I have other platforms for that already. So if this ends up being true, NX should be a great system.
DownGrader
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The only way they can make Western third parties to take a look at NX is to make systems that will be selling gangbusters. The only way to do so is to make the system attractive without them - by releasing good first-party software on a regular and frequent basis.
Wii U showed us that getting third parties on board only to let them jump back (2012-2013), moneyhatting exclusive games (Bayonetta 2) or features (all these "U", "Hyper" and "Armoured" editions) leads to nothing. Heck, even GameCube showed us the same, albeit not so obviously.
That's more of a handheld thing, especially with the mainline games. Though if the console & handheld end up sharing most of their games (like what's being speculated), then that won't be a problem.
Nintendo announced Pikmin 4 but they never said anything about it since then. Probably move to NX
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-20-pikmin-4-in-development-and-very-close-to-completion
This is exactly what I've been preaching. They need to build a system for themselves where they're independent of 3rd parties support. If they can do that, and have that software flow be as strong as 3DS times two, then they will have a product that's UNIQUE - they will offer games, at a good rate, that you don't get anywhere else. It will entice the Japanese 3rd parties to support it as the right kind of environment for them. It WILL increase sales manifold over the Wii U and possibly even trump the 3DS, which did survive completely without western 3rd parties (indies excepted).
This is good for _everyone_. If they do manage to pull this off, the sales will come and then even western 3rd parties will have a good reason to join in. Not to mention indies, several of whom already do see a special kind of sales boost on Nintendo consoles. They tried to lure in western 3rd parties with the Wii U and even gave the launch window to them - but only got 2nd hand sloppiness in return. The opposite strategy is in fact better also for 3rd party relations.
This is good for _everyone_. If they do manage to pull this off, the sales will come and then even western 3rd parties will have a good reason to join in. Not to mention indies, several of whom already do see a special kind of sales boost on Nintendo consoles. They tried to lure in western 3rd parties with the Wii U and even gave the launch window to them - but only got 2nd hand sloppiness in return. The opposite strategy is in fact better also for 3rd party relations.
Sir_Crocodile
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I wonder if DQXI will make Y1.
Yeah, but I know that AniHawk wants it to be 100% shared. He went as far as saying that it's they only way for them to succeed or something along those lines before IIRC. Not to mention the people here I've seen dreaming of a portable FFXV and stuff like that.
Regaining lost third party support is basically a "chicken or the egg" situation. Third parties may not come back because Nintendo lacks the necessary audience needed for their games to succeed. Likewise, Nintendo's losing marketshare because they can't get those third parties on board. One of the two parties has to make a power-play to break the cycle & start the road to recovery, and Nintendo may have to be the one to man up & do so.
Poimandres
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I'm pretty salty about Wii U games getting moved across honestly. I can understand why they would pull the rug out from under the machine, but I still feel short changed.
nckillthegrimace
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I don't think people realize just how much software Nintendo publishes each year. Looking at Wikipedia, Nintendo published like 36 games last year. That's three games a month, which is crazy. But it sure didn't feel like that because their output was spread across two platforms and three regions.
Focusing on one system (or two that play the same games) seems like a great way to make it readily apparent how much they produce. Otherwise, I don't see there being this magic change to their development process that allows them to just blast out games at an even higher rate.
Focusing on one system (or two that play the same games) seems like a great way to make it readily apparent how much they produce. Otherwise, I don't see there being this magic change to their development process that allows them to just blast out games at an even higher rate.
Wandering Robot
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I'm already hopeful for the NX's output, but it's nice to hear such a promising account. Of course, I'll only get really hype when I see it.
I'll get a little hype now, though. 
Mediking
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Well the thing is...they have always promised this, at least for the launch, and failed in the execution of said promise but if someone would have any idea it would be her.
And to be totally honest with myself? I don't think I care. I've had it pre ordered for a while now and it's not like I'm going to cancel it. I'm mostly worried that the handheld component will just feature a thin client and the box will do everything
I want my fat ones everywhere ok?
Edit: oooh lists!
Well here's mine
Zelda
Handheld Dragon Quest XI
Captain Toad
Every damn VC game since the Wii
A story based Xeno game
Region Free
A real account system that Nintendo Bergslagen Has nothing to do with.
And that's what I'm wishing for. If anything else pops up it's just a bonus.
And to be totally honest with myself? I don't think I care. I've had it pre ordered for a while now and it's not like I'm going to cancel it. I'm mostly worried that the handheld component will just feature a thin client and the box will do everything
I want my fat ones everywhere ok?Edit: oooh lists!
Well here's mine
Zelda
Handheld Dragon Quest XI
Captain Toad
Every damn VC game since the Wii
A story based Xeno game
Region Free
A real account system that Nintendo Bergslagen Has nothing to do with.
And that's what I'm wishing for. If anything else pops up it's just a bonus.
IIRC it's supposed to hit before the anniversary ends.
NinjaCoachZ
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Oh cool, this got its own thread. Nice!
To sum up what I think in a nutshell, I'm excited, and I think that unifying their handheld and console divisions will work out very well for Nintendo. They put out a shitton of games a year, but having them be split across handhelds and consoles fractures the userbase and makes it seem like they do less than they actually do. A shared library makes a lot of sense and I hope it's what happens (even if there are console exclusives and whatnot), so I'll keep my fingers crossed without committing too hard to it.
That financial briefing can't come any sooner...
Eh. It's pretty standard really.
Super Paper Mario, Barrel Blast, Twilight Princess, and I thiiiink Fire Emblem 10 were all Gamecube games moved to Wii.
Pikmin 3 was a Wii game moved to Wii U.
Even outside of Nintendo, there are countless examples. Sega had a bunch of their early GCN/PS2/Xbox games begin on Dreamcast if I heard right.
To sum up what I think in a nutshell, I'm excited, and I think that unifying their handheld and console divisions will work out very well for Nintendo. They put out a shitton of games a year, but having them be split across handhelds and consoles fractures the userbase and makes it seem like they do less than they actually do. A shared library makes a lot of sense and I hope it's what happens (even if there are console exclusives and whatnot), so I'll keep my fingers crossed without committing too hard to it.
That financial briefing can't come any sooner...
Eh. It's pretty standard really.
Super Paper Mario, Barrel Blast, Twilight Princess, and I thiiiink Fire Emblem 10 were all Gamecube games moved to Wii.
Pikmin 3 was a Wii game moved to Wii U.
Even outside of Nintendo, there are countless examples. Sega had a bunch of their early GCN/PS2/Xbox games begin on Dreamcast if I heard right.
DownGrader
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ZhugeEX revealed that his "sources" were ordinary people whom he asked for information.
NOLA_Gaffer
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And then there's the king...
The king...broken image?
More first-party software doesn't mean less third-party support. That's ridiculous. If anything, it's the opposite.
The Wii U suffered from an 8-month long drought after release. There was almost nothing from Nintendo themselves between launch and Pikmin 3. This stalled the growth of the install base. Nintendo's job is to make the system attractive to consumers and move hardware from day one. If they can do that, third-parties will have more incentive to support them.
They should go all guns blazing when it comes to their own games. If they combine their two hardware lines, they might even be able to stay profitable without external support. However, if they do manage to get it, they have a real winner in their hands. I mostly expect to see Japanese support in the beginning, but if it really takes off then others will come too.
The Wii U suffered from an 8-month long drought after release. There was almost nothing from Nintendo themselves between launch and Pikmin 3. This stalled the growth of the install base. Nintendo's job is to make the system attractive to consumers and move hardware from day one. If they can do that, third-parties will have more incentive to support them.
They should go all guns blazing when it comes to their own games. If they combine their two hardware lines, they might even be able to stay profitable without external support. However, if they do manage to get it, they have a real winner in their hands. I mostly expect to see Japanese support in the beginning, but if it really takes off then others will come too.
Prevolition
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Actually one could argue that's what Nintendo tried with the Wii U's launch - give 3rd parties that were on board some room (ZombiU, AC3, Arkham City, BLOPS2, Darksiders II, etc.) and then focus on co-developing typically 1st party IP (Smash, Hyrule Warriors, Star Fox, etc.) Clearly they couldn't accomplish solid support with Wii U but I think making a console that's easy to work with and port to is the right move - and pushing their own great 1st party games consistently every month or two is exactly what they need to do.
Jawbreaker
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Cool, I only buy Nintendo consoles with the intention of playing Nintendo games. The more, the better.
Well the thing is...they have always promised this, at least for the launch, and failed in the execution of said promise but if someone would have any idea it would be her.
And to be totally honest with myself? I don't think I care. I've had it pre ordered for a while now and it's not like I'm going to cancel it. I'm mostly worried that the handheld component will just feature a thin client and the box will do everything
wat
Uh... How? Why?
Proof? Just as we don't have concrete proof that important 3rd party developers WILL develop games for the NX, we also don't have proof that they won't.
And then there's the king...
Or the queen...
DaSorcerer7
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Well the thing is...they have always promised this, at least for the launch, and failed in the execution of said promise but if someone would have any idea it would be her.
And to be totally honest with myself? I don't think I care. I've had it pre ordered for a while now and it's not like I'm going to cancel it. I'm mostly worried that the handheld component will just feature a thin client and the box will do everything
Did I miss something?
cj_iwakura
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And yet my favorite titles on their consoles have always been third party. If they stay first party, I know I won't be interested. The best applications on the DS and Wii alike were third party; Trauma Center and No More Heroes.
I think the last first party game I bought was FE Awakening, and Rhythm Heaven Fever before that. (Not counting the Operation Rainfall trilogy)
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I actually hope this isn't the "shared library" stuff some have been hinting at for the longest time now. I'll say it again: console and handheld are still two quite different platforms accommodating different features and gaming experiences. Games have to be tailor-made for each in order to ensure each one gives people a reason to buy it on its own strengths alone.
OTOH, I do hope this is in regards the "shared dev toolchains/assets/pipelines etc." stuff some others have hinted at. Being able to take character and background item assets from one project to another without need for doing too much editing on the assets themselves (the same going for code of course) would allow for a nice consistency in software development and release schedule.
It doesn't have to be like in the old days where you'd have to design completely different models for two games across console and handheld platforms b/c the differences in architecture and power capability was just that massive.
OTOH, I do hope this is in regards the "shared dev toolchains/assets/pipelines etc." stuff some others have hinted at. Being able to take character and background item assets from one project to another without need for doing too much editing on the assets themselves (the same going for code of course) would allow for a nice consistency in software development and release schedule.
It doesn't have to be like in the old days where you'd have to design completely different models for two games across console and handheld platforms b/c the differences in architecture and power capability was just that massive.
LordBaztion
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She makes me regret buying a WiiU.
Probably that larger software output is because their handheld and console platforms are now unified.
Probably that larger software output is because their handheld and console platforms are now unified.
Isn't Rhythm Heaven Megamix getting a physical release?
Wait wait...what?
reelbigtink
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I disagree but we'll see. If their film initiative turns out to be real they could be raking in cash on multiple levels and cross-promoting through multiple mediums. Cell phone apps/games, NX software, film - it could all be interconnected if done right. Also hit people in the nostalgia often.
DownGrader
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Don't forget a bunch of Rare games moving from Xbox to Xbox 360. Some of them, like Perfect Dark Zero, even started their life on GameCube.
And speaking of Rare and GameCube, Star Fox Adventures was supposed to be Dinosaur Planet for N64. Kirby Air Ride was being made for N64 and was even one of the first titles announced for that system.
https://zhugeex.com/nx/
Get used to people acting like they know things lol
Actually, most of the rumors are still left unchallenged. He was just banned for using ZhugeEX's info without permission. That's really it. Ban is only temporary too.
Wii U has arguably the best library right now and it's deader than dead.
It worked out relatively fine with Splatoon, especially with said content being added later & the game being supported for quite a long time. But I wouldn't expect that to be a common occurrence.
ZombiePlatypus
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What the hell am I reading. I'm super excited for the NX, but this statement right here invalidates everything this source is claiming. Saying the 3rd party selection left a lot to be desired I understand, but Nitnendo's 1st party output on the WiiU is undeniable quality.
Also, putting out a large number of titles quickly isn't something to be pumped up for, especially when this person talks about how they supposedly changed their whole approach and process. I hope focus on quality and polish hasn't been thrown to the back-burner.
Crazy talk and exactly the reason the Wii U's launch year was such a failure. They left the release slate wide open for 3rd parties and got them to sign on to making plenty of games - problem is they were either late ports or lazy ports or (decent but still) ports. It was revealed to anyone with a lick of sense that a Nintendo console won't be the main source of western AAA titles to almost anyone. They should focus on making a console that delivers a Japanese console experience with plenty of that kind of software to back it up, and that's seemingly what they're doing.
It's not really the case anymore. 3DS is a very traditional console, 3D gimmick aside, with traditional console gaming experiences. Its Zelda games are traditional Zelda games, and they do well, especially the console remakes, Monster Hunter is its big third party franchise and they're epic action adventure rpgs. They tried a little early on to do the DS casual, pick up and play stuff but that crowd is now on mobile. And when they shifted towards more traditional gaming software they found success. So I think those days are behind us, of thinking radically different for handheld and console software.
Two things :
1. It would be incredibly advantageous to Nintendo to openly come out and state they support cross-play with other systems and launch the NX with a game like rocket league. Why? Because a big reason a ton of people do not buy 3rd party games on Nintendo platforms is because they cannot play with the rest of the fan-base (COD on wii etc). Having everyone know you can now buy and play lets say Madden or GTA6 and play with everyone else would greatly increase the chance of 3rd party consumers and developers supporting Nintendo again.
2. About the increased software output. I dont think they will scale down games and make them smaller, rather they are streamlining their development process via:
- Combining handheld and console dev studios
- Developing a single, connected platform/os for the NX and future systems for easy porting
- Partnering with many other developers to co-dev games (like they have been starting to with the Wii U)
- Possibly releasing NX and future games digital only (This is just me guessing based on My Nintendo only having rewards for digital e-shop purchases)
1. It would be incredibly advantageous to Nintendo to openly come out and state they support cross-play with other systems and launch the NX with a game like rocket league. Why? Because a big reason a ton of people do not buy 3rd party games on Nintendo platforms is because they cannot play with the rest of the fan-base (COD on wii etc). Having everyone know you can now buy and play lets say Madden or GTA6 and play with everyone else would greatly increase the chance of 3rd party consumers and developers supporting Nintendo again.
2. About the increased software output. I dont think they will scale down games and make them smaller, rather they are streamlining their development process via:
- Combining handheld and console dev studios
- Developing a single, connected platform/os for the NX and future systems for easy porting
- Partnering with many other developers to co-dev games (like they have been starting to with the Wii U)
- Possibly releasing NX and future games digital only (This is just me guessing based on My Nintendo only having rewards for digital e-shop purchases)
Realistic Predictions:
Smash Bros NX
Tekken 7
Amazing Katamari Damacy
Dark Souls ports
Tekken X Street Fighter
Pokken Tournament DX
Totally Unrealistic Prediction:
A new Castlevania game made by From Software
Heard it all before, no 3rd party means the console is basically doomed to fail. Every Nintendo has great 1st party support so it just goes without saying. Get your shit together Nintendo, you need to compete on all fronts especially with the competition being so stiff and please give your consumers an account system where their games are tied to an account for goodness sake!