BarringGaffner
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mine too. Sure the average Nintendo game is better than most games... but they have clearly held off releasing larger games for it because of the lack of sales... most Wii U games do not feel like full prices titles.
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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James Scott
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Theoretically, instead of MK7+MK8 they could make MKNX+F-Zero with the freed up resources
not sure Nintendo wants to make a new F-Zero
It's not really a problem when you compare the quantity of output of their peers. Development of games these days have just been time-demanding more than ever because of higher production values. It's just masked on other consoles basically because of third party output, which makes Wii U lineup look thin.
Lionel Richie
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My hype is already ridiculous. E3 can't come soon enough.
Dark Cloud
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Or maybe now the 3D Mario team can make a 3D Mario game then make a brand new IP instead of making a handheld game. It definitely opens up a lot more free time.
Stilton Disco
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I'll believe it when I see it, Because this kind of overly optimistic speculation about software output happens every generation pretty much.
Really hope they don't just double down on established fans, do nothing to change their image or make the NX a viable third party platform. Appealing just to the dwindling Nintenfo hardcore would guarantee lower than WiiU sales. As great as Nintendo games are, they're a very niche appeal part of the games market, and simply churning out more of the games most of the market didn't give enough of a shit about to buy a WiiU won't in any way help them.
Really hope they don't just double down on established fans, do nothing to change their image or make the NX a viable third party platform. Appealing just to the dwindling Nintenfo hardcore would guarantee lower than WiiU sales. As great as Nintendo games are, they're a very niche appeal part of the games market, and simply churning out more of the games most of the market didn't give enough of a shit about to buy a WiiU won't in any way help them.
Vampirolol
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It feels good to be hyped more by these kind of rumors than the "more powerful than X" ones. I'm getting older.
OrbitalBeard
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No, it's still a problem. Even comparing first party output directly, a lot of Nintendo's Wii U software over the past year or so has clearly been filler material. I understand why that's the case for Wii U specifically, but it doesn't change the issue.
Yup, and that's what I have and I'm sticking with. All the rumors I see are Ninty properties I couldn't care less. Now if there was a buzz about XCX sequel, I'd be excited.
I beg to differ, considering in a day and age where "full priced titles" hide their incomplete content as an early beta and a paid season pass, Nintendo's output has been the least offenders and most games they've done feel self-contained.
I actually dont have an issue with Nintendo's 1st party output on the 3DS or Wii U other than the fact that there are waaaaay too many platformers. They actually put out a lot of games. The problem seems to be that there aren't many other publishers releasing software on those systems so hopefully this isnt Nintendo's solution for that issue. Selling more games to a shrinking audience is hustling backwards.
The market has made it very clear that 3rd party software is what's pushing hardware more than anything else.
The market has made it very clear that 3rd party software is what's pushing hardware more than anything else.
I haven't read the whole thread but has people forgotten the rumour about shared game library between handheld and home console? Because that would explain a lot.
Wii U may have a small library but the quality of games haven't been the problem. On average I'd say Wii U has the best 1st party library of any Nintendo console. The games are great but there isn't enough of them.
But we'll see. I'm not too optimistic that we'll suddenly see tons of more games. But the quality is more important thing to me so I hope they won't go the quantity over quality way.
And about 3rd party developers. Just make sure you have at least the big Japanese companies on train. I know it's not enough for great success but it would enough for me. Getting big titles from SE, Capcom, Atlus, Platinum and Sega would be neat!
Wii U may have a small library but the quality of games haven't been the problem. On average I'd say Wii U has the best 1st party library of any Nintendo console. The games are great but there isn't enough of them.
But we'll see. I'm not too optimistic that we'll suddenly see tons of more games. But the quality is more important thing to me so I hope they won't go the quantity over quality way.
And about 3rd party developers. Just make sure you have at least the big Japanese companies on train. I know it's not enough for great success but it would enough for me. Getting big titles from SE, Capcom, Atlus, Platinum and Sega would be neat!
The thing is most people would love to play those games but don't want to pay 300 euros for a dying system.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I need to see the receipts..
NX has too much bullshit flying around. I dont believe jack shit other than there will be Zelda U on it. Im tired of reading this will happen or this aint happening. But I keep reading it
NX has too much bullshit flying around. I dont believe jack shit other than there will be Zelda U on it. Im tired of reading this will happen or this aint happening. But I keep reading it
Are we talking about Emily Rogers? If so, I'm on the waiting game as well. Considering the number of rumors popping up, I guess its that time of year when people are mass-speculating about Nintendo's next move.
I'm not so sure if it's because people are waiting for them to do a misstep, or simeply because they're really anxious as to what surprise they have in store, but the waiting game has made some people rather hostile and come out of their hiding hole to lambast or heavily defend Nintendo's moves.
It's not a phenomena I see just in NeoGAF: Pretty much Youtube comments and various posts elsewhere in various channels either really want to see Nintendo bow down and go 3rd party, or somehow deliver a miracle.
tl;dr - For some reason, people believe Nintendo's next move is all or nothing. So they've been looking for something desperately to believe in.
I'd rather just wait and see.
astrogamer
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Well actually, Aya Kyogoku became coproducer on the Animal Crossing games last year. Seems like they are setting it up so Animal Crossing can be done under her while Nogami shifts to other properties.
Also, Splatoon's team was a lot more mixed than most other teams. It was mostly younger staff doing the work with a few veterans being planners. If you excluded the Monolift Soft Kyoto people, you'd see very few people who worked on Animal Crossing. A lot of the staff came off of NSMB2, NSLU, Nintendo Land, and ALBW
Emily Rogers = 10k = that 3D printed dude.
All with nonsense info. Nobody knows anything, except the Nintendo Ninjas.
Nintendo Ninja's do not know either. Only the higher ups at Kyoto would know, and a select trusted few of the inner circle.
NinjaCoachZ
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Was Paper Mario Color Splash nonsense info? Or Mother 3 (backed up by Eurogamer)? Because that's what Emily Rogers reported.
DownGrader
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Unlike two former dudes, Emily Rogers actually have the insight. She leaked Paper Mario for Wii U, April 1st 2015 Nintendo Direct, 3DS Miiverse etc...
Milly Osworth
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Sounds good to me, but I would like the big 3rd party games on NX too.
That statement is ridiculous because.
1-early gen inevitable delays.
2-we know how Nintendo likes delay games to cover all fiscal quarters.
dragonflys545
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After the Wii U and its crazy early announcements of games and delays after delays for some. I don't trust that one bit.
there's several ps4k threads active currently
Some luck in the past, and now craving attention. Doesn't mean a thing.
There are no insiders. The ones who know don't talk, it's fairly simple.
But there's one thing we don't know.
Will console and handheld share similar libraries?
We've seen how games like Hyrule Warriors, Smash Bros, Lego City Undercover, NES Remix, and others were released on 3DS and Wii U.
reelbigtink
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You might not care about something like Splatoon but a few million other people do. It outsold some other core properties on PS4 like Bloodborne (on Wii U, no less) and the base has the potential to grow exponentially if this thing is a success.
Outside of making a proper console version of Pokemon, I can't think of much more for Nintendo could have done themselves to get more console sales, they still need 3rd parties to fill the software gaps both yearly schedule wise and genre/appeal wise.
Hopefully that means that the first 6 months / first year / first two years will have plenty of games, so that they can attract people fast enough before the Wii U virus ("there's nothing to play, nobody buys it, no multiplat etc.") doesn't spread.
The wait for E3 is sooooo long. We're in a Chinese fog.
The wait for E3 is sooooo long. We're in a Chinese fog.
None can seem to think about a unified studio, with unified ecosystem and shared architecture and possibly a shared library. Nintendo doesn't need multiple teams working on two versions of the same game. It's inefficient and holds up projects and releases. Look at Smash 4. They are simplifying the process to maximize output. How hard is that to think about?
Unlike previous years where Nintendo may have said something like this, they've actually gone the extra mile restructuring their company for this. They're streamlining their development process, moved their handheld, home console, R&D into one big studio EPD, built more buildings, expanded.
Wii U and 3DS are two very different systems and it has taken at least 2 teams to make the same game twice. There will be no more of that going forward. They make games of various sizes and not just big blockbuster types like Zelda and Xenoblade, so it's really not at all hard to think of them having a higher output.
This was all stated by Iwata, planned by him, all to remove any inefficiencies, making their systems siblings again, citing Apple about same architectures and ease of development across hardware.
Unlike previous years where Nintendo may have said something like this, they've actually gone the extra mile restructuring their company for this. They're streamlining their development process, moved their handheld, home console, R&D into one big studio EPD, built more buildings, expanded.
Wii U and 3DS are two very different systems and it has taken at least 2 teams to make the same game twice. There will be no more of that going forward. They make games of various sizes and not just big blockbuster types like Zelda and Xenoblade, so it's really not at all hard to think of them having a higher output.
This was all stated by Iwata, planned by him, all to remove any inefficiencies, making their systems siblings again, citing Apple about same architectures and ease of development across hardware.
DownGrader
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Haven't we learned form Splatoon that they just need to make appealing games and market them properly?
Emily Rogers actually leaked legit info, such as Paper Mario: Color Splash & the Mother 3 localization (the latter being backed up by Eurogamer).
didn't they say the same about the WiiU before? it even had the "unprecedented partnership" and that wasn't even a rumor and look how that turned out.
this kind of rumor cannot be confirmed immediately. we will need to wait a couple of years after the console is released to see if it will blow the wii u out of the water like she says.
this kind of rumor cannot be confirmed immediately. we will need to wait a couple of years after the console is released to see if it will blow the wii u out of the water like she says.
She also leaked the shared wallet across Wii U and 3DS a month in advance. She's come a long way as an insider.
Revealing 100% accurate info before Nintendo isn't luck, it's leak.
Dark Cloud
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When did Emily Rodgers say this about the Wii U? If you have proof of her saying the exact same things prior to the Wii U then show me please.
Nintendo games can sell 5 million on a Nintendo system that has sold 10 million total, it's a blessing and a curse, you might as well say Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
Nintendo made some empty promises when it came to 3rd parties for sure. They didn't say anything about changing their development process and making more 1st party games though.
Can I...can I understand why people think that this means that they will ignore third parties thanks to this blog post? I want to know the exact logic jump necessary to think that.
She has been talking about first party titles only so far, her rumours are about Nintendo's output. On Twitter, she said there could have been something on both hardware and software from her and she also said before publishing both articles
When asked if it were just an opinion piece
She's been talking about Nintendo games only so far. Probably because that's what she knows about the platform? And I think all her recent rumours have always been strictly about Nintendo, in terms of games? So, why are we already jumping to the conclusion that there are no third parties.
Please, explain to me. I'm morbidly curious. Show me your proofs.
She has been talking about first party titles only so far, her rumours are about Nintendo's output. On Twitter, she said there could have been something on both hardware and software from her and she also said before publishing both articles
When asked if it were just an opinion piece
She's been talking about Nintendo games only so far. Probably because that's what she knows about the platform? And I think all her recent rumours have always been strictly about Nintendo, in terms of games? So, why are we already jumping to the conclusion that there are no third parties.
Please, explain to me. I'm morbidly curious. Show me your proofs.
3D World, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros and Mario Maker were appealing games with proper marketing.
Despite Splatoon's massive success, the game had very little impact on the console's overall sales.
Wii U has been stuck on the <15million units sold range for over a year now. Longer than Splatoon's time on the market.
Claude Augario
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If they consolidate their handheld and console libraries there's nothing outlandish about what she has to say - at least not to people that aren't desperate to spin everything toward their biases.
A shared library brings up the question of how certain teams will operate in the future. Will the Zelda team still have a handheld and console group? Will those two groups, perhaps, change their focus on what kind of Zelda games they put out alternatively (ie, one group makes condensed, traditional Zelda while the other focuses on open world experiences)? Maybe they just become one big team? Maybe spin one group off to work on other/new IP?
A shared library brings up the question of how certain teams will operate in the future. Will the Zelda team still have a handheld and console group? Will those two groups, perhaps, change their focus on what kind of Zelda games they put out alternatively (ie, one group makes condensed, traditional Zelda while the other focuses on open world experiences)? Maybe they just become one big team? Maybe spin one group off to work on other/new IP?
Eurogamer backed up the Mother 3 rumour insomuch as they'd heard the same thing from their own source (as had a lot of people, incidentally) but you can hardly call it confirmed.
So much of of the "rumour" posted by "insiders" is just supposition based on publicly stated facts; the smarter ones keep things vague but occasionally they go all-in on specifics and get blown up. Why there's an audience for it, I don't know.
fabricated backlash
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This rumour to me Sounds even more ridiculous than the whole 14nm Polaris nonsense.
But it's everything Iwata has talked about when discussing plans for the future and the NX.
Delusibeta
Banned
This claim has been made for every Nintendo console since the GameCube. Therefore, I'm skeptical.
Intentions and plans are great but it's results that determine how excited we should be. IIRC Nintendo execs have been beating the drum of more prolific development processes for some time without very dramatic results to show for it, no? Of course if they've sacrificed Wii U output to achieve an early boost in NX output that should move the meter a bit, but that's a one off tactic rather than a measurable result of beefed up dev pipelines.
If they've something closer to a merged handheld/home approach, though, that could help prevent a stretched focus.
If they've something closer to a merged handheld/home approach, though, that could help prevent a stretched focus.