Wanting companies to fail... That is sad...
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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Wanting companies to fail... That is sad...
Because you don't know how to do multiplication and almost everyone else can.
There are reasons now to believe Nintendo can increase their console output by a greater magnitude unlike previous years.
I think you might be projecting there.
FTFY
Honest god we all mature at different rates but if you think that mentality is reserved for people under 20 you are mistaken. One look around these foruns or just about any internet community and you will see it.
It took me a while to realize it, but I honestly didn't start to truly mature in terms of emotions until my later 20s and then as I entered my 30s I started gaing better perspective and understanding. It just comes with age. I also look around here often and just have to walk away a lot because I realize that people younger than me are more probe to say stupid shit or off the cuff things because they lack perspective. I don't get upset or blame them. They will hopefully come to the same realization most people in my age bracket do.
The Beastcast did a really good job talking about this the past two weeks and well worth the read.
I hate sounding too stereotypical when I say that its an age thing.
Angry Chair
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Either you have reading comprehension issues, or you are fucking stupid. I like Emily and know she is by far the most reliable source of inside information from Nintendo. Me saying that her blog post was nothing but hot air and that it was just done for attention (or to do Nintendo's marketing which is something I should have included in my post) doesn't conflict with that nor does it mean I that I'm sexist which couldn't be further from the truth. I am prochoice, I am for equal pay for equal work, I am pro Affirmative action, I am an unabashed Hillary supporter, and if you want to branch into the video game world, I hate all of these pathetic Otaku pandering games that enable the objectification of women. You may think you are a feminist because you can recognize troublesome rhetoric but you aren't, you are a pathetic keyboard warrior that knows nothing. A true feminist would educate the people s/he disagreed with instead of calling everyone who criticizes a woman sexist with zero context or proof. If you reply to me with any thing other than an apology, I will assume it's because I'm wheelchair bound and you see me as a lesser being. You may see that as unfair, but it is just as unfair and baseless as your accusation.
B-b-but that was just a fluke, Nintendo is teh doomed!!
GhostTrick
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The problem is the shift in their childish games. Before, they were more like all public. Right now... It's getting childish but not in the right way. Yoshi's Island is what you can call a childish game. Yet, it had a charming story and setting but also a lot of quality content and had a lot of passion put inside to make it an amazing game. The problem nowadays is that for Nintendo, childish now means lazy, bland and easy.
Movalpolos
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So Wii U is losing games to bring to the NX.
Basically meaning we will have Wii U quality (tech-wise) games on NX.
That's nothing to be excited about.
Basically meaning we will have Wii U quality (tech-wise) games on NX.
That's nothing to be excited about.
Yes, they should. Their whole "little kids and families first" approach hasn't worked since Sony came into the picture 20 years ago (arguably before that with the Genesis). Even the DS and Wii were heavily marketed towards a "hip" young adult audience.
They can continue making family friendly games but they also need to cover more bases with their IP as a platform holder.
I replayed Yoshi's Island alongside Yoshi's Woolly World and did not find this to be the case at all. If anything, I'd give the more modern game the edge.
Blasphemy, I know.
Perhaps you have just outgrown Nintendo's typical software but haven't removed your nostalgia goggles to see their older games for what they were.
What Nintendo really needs (read what I really want them to do) are a few partners to diversify their catalogue of software - get Rare-like software back on board in a big way. Games that feel like Nintendo but also somehow different.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
100% true. Woolly World is the superior game.
KidGalactus
Member
It's a good thing nobody gives a shit about what you want, then.
Yeah, such a shame that games brought over from last gen to current gen can never garner excitement. That's why no one cared about last guardian coming out on ps4.
Astral Dog
Member
Funny that 10k Polaris rumor ended up being a PS 4 Neo after all!
I'm not sure that's how it works tech-wise. Does it? I honestly don't know. I figured when they move from Wii U to NX they take advantage of the improved specs.
Kissenkopf
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-_-
Right, because shifting means not using the cobsoles power. Oh, I remember when Star Fox Adventures looked like a N64 game or Kameo like a Gamecube game on the 360.
Serious, what is wrong with this thread? Here are just trolls and a few Nintendo fans left which can't talk to each other at all, because the thread gets derailed all the time.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Seems you played no Nintendo game in the last ten years or only the last Mario Tennis...
Try Yoshi's Wolly World, it is exactly what you want, charming story and setting and passion (and great graphics on top). After that try Captain Toad it's even better.
BrokenFiction
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I need more Captain Toad in my game life. What a great surprise that was.
Dark Cloud
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Looks like we're at the point in this thread where it goes downhill. Guess I'll comeback when the level headed and open minded people are left trying to have real discussions.
Okay, I see your point. I guess the thing is that teens tend to be louder and more straightforward about it?
I don't know. In my experience teens are more self-conscious about shit like this than adults but that's just me.
Indeed.
Little gem right there.
HandsomeCharles
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In most cases, it doesn't work like that. The terrible analogy he gave would be akin to an HD re-release, whereas historically when there is a platform change mid-development, the end product has significant differences (Visual or otherwise) from the initial concept to take advantage of the new hardware. For example, take a look at The Last Guardian, Starfox Adventures, Kameo, FFvs13 etc. (Those are just some examples I can think of just now)
Are you saying Mariokart 8 in 1080p with more post processing effects wouldn't look fantastic?
Or Zelda U for that matter?
Or that better tech necessarily means better games?
DownGrader
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Do I need to list every game that was moved to new generation during its development cycle? Do I need to mention that it happened all the time and with all console manufacturers?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Thats not how this works son
Movalpolos
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So this thread is only for people with positive views on this statement?
Junahu
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I should be happy, or excited or something, but I keep getting hung up on this line in particular;
Personally speaking, I don't want more games if they're going to be worse offerings.
I'm hoping that just means a more efficient pipeline, but I can't shake the feeling that it's going to be a shift in the level of polish they give their titles, or the amount of content each game offers. Or it might even affect games at the design level, resulting in more conservative titles with recycled ideas.
Personally speaking, I don't want more games if they're going to be worse offerings.
Half of the pages is Nintendo fans trying to explain to non Nintendo fans that that is not the case. Without you guys, this would be a 15 page thread
Movalpolos
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Half of the pages is Nintendo fans trying to explain to non Nintendo fans that that is not the case. Without you guys, this would be a 15 page thread
Nintendo fans who aren't critical of their decisions will only perpetuate their failure.
dat strawman
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Well we dont ever get shit to get excited for is easy to get excited about nothing... although I stopped getting excited about text. I need to see or hear something. Anybody can type.
DownGrader
Member
There's a difference between being critical and being cynical and snarky.
Nintendo fan haters who--
Wait why are Nintendo fan haters a thing that exist? What an immature group. Well, this whole thread just got real awkward, didn't it.
Half of the pages is Nintendo fans trying to explain to non Nintendo fans that that is not the case. Without you guys, this would be a 15 page thread
Haha. On the money.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Here's the interesting part: that core group used to be 21 million, back with the Gamecube. And now it's effectively little more than half that. This is the biggest worry: if Nintendo can't draw in more people to that base, it will continue to shrink to the point where a 5-6 million base simply cannot sustain them as a company, the way they are right now. There's not even a guarantee that all the Wii U owners will move on to the NX!
The idea of expanding into these other areas is a great one for them, but it also means Nintendo is stepping well outside of their comfort zone and will be encountering competitors who are firmly entrenched in those industries. Say they make a Nintendo FunLand theme park; is the casual parent honestly going to choose to take their kids there versus Disneyworld? This is why they need to be strong in the gaming sector as well, so they can leverage that towards these new initiatives.
The truth is, right now, if you ask most casuals what symbolizes gaming for them right now, you'd hear PlayStation as their answer. Maybe Xbox for a good chunk of others. But only the most hardcore or retro-nostalgic people are going to say Nintendo. I would not honestly be surprised if a hefty chunk of Wii owners thought Nintendo stopped making consoles altogether!
So the company has to work on retaining its relevance in gaming and growing it back, and using that as fuel towards these other-market initiatives where the competition is even steeper than it is in the gaming market.
Bots are better than you
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Funny thing for you to say, as you seem to have problems with accepting critical things about your point of view. Like nearly all posts of you in this Colin PS4K thread somehow show.
It's not like that there are Nintendo fans in this very thread, including me, who try to push back some bad statements like "Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party" etc., and to be honest, most of the "critical" posts in here have the same premise: Selective reading, jumping to conclusions (sometimes even talking out of arse), "Nintendo never changes".
Kissenkopf
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No, but people who can say more then just "wah, nothing to get excited about." without even telling us why they think that. Just coming somewhere and say something negative without any context doesnt seem very smart. Thats it.
A conservation can just grow with different opinions of the people wo have it but your post seemed like you are interested in any conversation.
One caveat I would bring up when comparing GC sales to Wii U- with the Gamecube Nintendo aggressively tried to salvage the userbase with drastic price cuts- reducing the price to $100 in under 2 years from launch. By contrast, Wii U has seen one $50 price cut on the premium model in over 3 years.
Maybe there has been erosion, but I don't think its quite apples to apples given Nintendo's emphasis on stemming the bleeding on losses as opposed to aggressively trying to grow the userbase.
People forget the Gamecube managed to get to that number on the back of a much cheaper price for the system as well. The Wiiu STILL costs more than the Gamecube did at launch.
I dare to assert that at a sub 200 price or lower, the WiiU would have gotten way closer to the 20 million figure.
Possumowner
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This has turned into a strange thread.People attacking Nintendo for...not having there games on there system of choice,wanting the company to fail.Just so they go software only...and you know what,those exact people would still attack Nintendo if that happened.
And all this before a single confirmed rumour is true on a new console we pretty much no nothing about.It's obvious need to make amends since WII U commercial failed,despite having some incredible games on.
I'd say make a sensible judgement when we at least know something solid.
But I guess this is a rumour thread,about Nintendo so sensible goes outta the window
And all this before a single confirmed rumour is true on a new console we pretty much no nothing about.It's obvious need to make amends since WII U commercial failed,despite having some incredible games on.
I'd say make a sensible judgement when we at least know something solid.
But I guess this is a rumour thread,about Nintendo so sensible goes outta the window
Like I've said, it's fair to be cautious and excited. Me, I'm excited but I know Nintendo. I don't quite trust them 100% lol. I'm getting NX but I'm not incredibly hyped yet. I mean not like I was when Wii was coming out. I dont think I'll ever be that hyped for a game console to be fair lol.
I feel like there is a massive disconnect between people who have mained Nintendo systems for the past 10 years and those who played a couple of exclusives here and there but primarily plays video games on other platforms.
Your comment about Wii U ports to NX simply makes no sense to me, someone who plays Mario Maker, Splatoon and Smash almost on a daily basis. I'd love it if the rumor was true so I can continue gameplay on the new ecosystem and unplugging my Wii U.
I don't even think in terms of "Wii U tech", like that thought never even occured to me at all. They're just really, really good looking video games. Maybe it helps to know that the typical PS4 game puts me off visually, I can't stand realistic games. What gen would The Witness fall under because that's easily one of the best looking games ever made.
I don't think "Core Nintendo Fans" = "# Console Units Sold"
The main difference between the Wii U and the Gamecube (and the Wii) is the number of consoles they were able to sell to people who weren't/aren't core Nintendo Fans. I would wager the size of the core hasn't changed too much, but it would be hard to define what that core really is.
I see it like how the number of units Zelda sells (relatively) doesn't really change all that much from console to console, compared to Mario which sales scale much more with consoles sold. In this example, the number of Zelda units sold may be a better indicator of the size of the core, compared to something like Mario Kart.
The main difference between the Wii U and the Gamecube (and the Wii) is the number of consoles they were able to sell to people who weren't/aren't core Nintendo Fans. I would wager the size of the core hasn't changed too much, but it would be hard to define what that core really is.
I see it like how the number of units Zelda sells (relatively) doesn't really change all that much from console to console, compared to Mario which sales scale much more with consoles sold. In this example, the number of Zelda units sold may be a better indicator of the size of the core, compared to something like Mario Kart.
That's not true. The GameCube $199 price adjusted for inflation is $260 in 2016 dollars.