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Engadget: Apple is over the optical drive.

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SeanR1221

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/27/editorial-apples-officially-over-the-optical-drive-for-better/

I don't like it. Not one iota. But frankly, it doesn't much matter -- Apple's officially done with the optical drive, and there's no evidence more strikingly clear than the mid 2011 refresh of its Mac mini. Last year, that bantam box arrived with a $699 price tag, pep in its step and a personality that could charm even the most hardened desktop owner. This year, a $599 model showed up on my doorstep promising the same, but instead it delivered a noticeable drop in actual functionality. Pundits have argued that you could tether a USB SuperDrive to the new mini and save $20 in the process compared to last year's rig, but does relying on a cabled accessory go hand-in-hand with beauty and simplicity? No, and I've every reason to believe that Apple would agree.

Despite the obvious -- that consumers would buy a mini to reduce the sheer burden of operating a convoluted desktop setup -- Apple's gone and yanked what has become a staple in both Macs and PCs alike. For years, ODDs have been standard fare, spinning CDs, DVDs, HD-DVDs (however briefly) and Blu-ray Discs, not to mention a few other formats that didn't do much to deserve a mention. Compared to most everything else in the technology universe, the tried-and-true optical drive has managed to hang around well beyond what it's creator likely had in mind, but it's pretty obvious that 2011 is to the ODD what 1998 was to the floppy drive. At least in the mind of one Steven P. Jobs.

For those who claim to be a bit newer to the world (read: not "of age"), you may not be intimately familiar with the backlash that came as the original iMac was introduced. Front and center sat a tray-loading optical drive, but a 3.5-inch floppy disc drive was nowhere to be found. "On a computer aimed at the home office and education?!" Yes, on a computer aimed at the home office and education. Without polling a soul, Apple decided the industry should move right along, and those insistent on maintaining a legacy profile were given the oh-so-abhorrent (I kid, I kid) option of snapping up an external alternative. I'm guessing here is where you start to see history repeating itself.

Over the past few years, Apple's been slyly but deliberately severing ties with a piece of hardware that most rational humans still view as essential on a full-scale computer. Nearly three years ago to the day, the original MacBook Air was introduced alongside a $99 external SuperDrive -- a peripheral that was nearly as tall as the laptop it was designed to complement. At the time, I never really saw it as the beginning of the end. My failure was not realizing that Apple rarely does one "thing" without eventually spreading that very "thing" as far as it can reasonably go... and oftentimes, further. I also cheered the move; it was a necessary sacrifice to craft the slimmest ultraportable known to man, and the simple reality is that ultramobile machines are engineered with compromise in mind. It's a well-recognized assumption that a ludicrously small computer will be lacking a few features that are prevalent on larger machines, just for the sake of being abnormally small.



My point? Ultraportables were never actually used as archival machines. Sure, you may have wanted to use one to watch the occasional DVD, but more often than not, ultraportables were being purchased by serious road warriors with one thing in mind: productivity and connectivity. Tossing in a DVD was somewhere so far down the chain that the loss of an ODD was effectively a non-factor.


Apple figured out what no one else could early on: it's dangerously easy to change brands, but escaping an ecosystem is absolute torture.
And then, Apple planted a stake in the wondrous western swath of North Carolina. It took what felt like eons for the folks in Cupertino to actually get its Maiden, NC data center operational, but when I saw Steve Jobs himself extol its virtues and harp on its promise at WWDC this year, I should've realized what was coming next. iCloud wasn't even the beginning -- it all began on the software front with iTunes. I've believed for years that Apple figured out what no one else could early on: it's dangerously easy to change brands, but escaping an ecosystem is absolute torture. Apple raked in the masses with its iTunes Music Store, which eventually began to hawk movies, music videos, exclusive content, iTunes LP material, and just about anything else your digital heart could ever want. Yes, even The Beatles.

Hindsight, as they say, is 20/20. Pairing iTunes and iCloud (along with that homespun data center) was a dagger to the heart of physical media, and if nothing else, stood as an undeniable example of where Apple was envisioning the future of media. In Apple's world, everything's just a download away -- even its latest operating system, which weighs in at 4GB. Oh, and also in nations where the iTunes store is bare due to cross-border licensing quirks. And strangely, even if you live in a region of that world with limited iTunes offers. Reaching over to grab a data-filled Frisbee has now been deemed a long-lost art, and it also clashes with the company's newfound mantra of having absolute cloud access to everything. I've gotta say, though -- it's a wee bit difficult to shove 50GB worth of Blu-ray goodness into a North Carolina sky, and I'm saying that while residing just a few hours to the right.


Even if Apple knows that the cloud is the next frontier, does the best route really involve the sudden death of the optical drive? The loss of the floppy was forgivable; even in 1998, while I was poking along on a 56k dial-up connection, I could upload 1.44MB -- the cap on most standard 3.5-inch floppies -- in a matter of minutes. Neither the RIAA nor the MPAA ever doled out a single record or motion picture on a floppy disc. In reality, the floppy was never really rooted in any industry outside of the storage one.

Neither the RIAA nor the MPAA ever doled out a single record or motion picture on a floppy disc.
But compare that to a modern-day Blu-ray Disc. Even with DOCSIS 3.0 at my home, it'd take well beyond a day to upload 50GB to any outside destination, and even a single-sided DVD would take hours on end for those with an average broadband connection. Oh, and we haven't even broached the topic of monthly data caps. Moreover, consumers are buying movies and music by the truckloads on physical media, not to mention games, applications, maps, etc. Those informing you that the "disc is dead" are clearly not looking at the numbers. People aren't buying as many discs, but tossing 'em in the proverbial grave is more sensationalistic reaction than anything else.



I made crystal clear in my Mac mini review just how awful a decision it was to nix the ODD in the consumer version of the machine, particularly with Apple making no efforts whatsoever to shrink the chassis in the drive's absence. My primary beef is the removal of an optical drive on a desktop. Is Apple seriously so naive that it thinks all Mac mini users will be perfectly fine taking to the wild, wild web to find whatever content and software they'd like to enjoy, including new-release films and 1080p content? And what, may I ask, comes next?

Funny enough, rumors are currently reaching fever pitch surrounding the next generation of 15- and 17-inch Apple laptops. No sooner than the 13-inch Air was loosed onto the world, I longed for a 15-inch model with a similar design. Sleek and lightweight, but with plenty of palm rest space, a stupendous high resolution display (that's the real kicker, if you're curious), and an even stronger battery. If TUAW and MacRumors have their sources straight, I may be looking at a dream fulfilled by Christmastime. And if my senses are correct, neither of these things will boast optical drives... despite being classified as MacBook Pros, not MacBook Airs.



So, where does that leave us? Staring at the stark possibility of a Mac lineup with an ODD-less entry-level desktop, no standard MacBook at all (outside of education), and nary a MacBook Air / Pro with an optical drive. And if I'm really going out on a limb, I might say that the iMac is next on the chopping block -- you know, once Apple retools it to be as thin as the 27-inch Thunderbolt Display it just outed. It's a future I'm pretty chafed about (seriously, a "Pro" machine with no ability to toast films from iDVD or Final Cut Pro?), but Apple's got the market share, the cash -- and frankly, the cahones -- to take a calculated risk while simultaneously nudging buyers to rely more and more on its own ecosystem. For everything.



So with that, I end on a rather hopeless note. The optical drive, so far as Apple is concerned, is dead. And if I had to guess, I'd say it's just a matter of time before it figures out a way to deplete its remaining inventory while crafting ever-thinner machines that make it nigh impossible to question the rationale. But hey, at least we've got the Mac Pro.

Thoughts? On the Air I could see, but what if everything in Apple's line lost the optical drive.
 

SeanR1221

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mj1108 said:
I wouldn't say it's dead. I'd say it will be more along the lines of "If you want an optical drive, that will be another $79 please" -- just like they are doing now with the Macbook Air.

That's a good point.

If Apple goes on a crusade to remove the optical drive, is it

A.) To downsize their machines (imagine an iMac the size of a thunderbolt display) and sell the drive separately

or

B.) To tie people closer to their ecosystem.
 

Utako

Banned
I just built a megaton new machine, and I did not include an optical drive. All good PC games can be acquired via DD, I don't buy DVDs anymore, and I own a PS3 for Blu-ray.

I do, however, have an eSATA external optical drive, which stays in a drawer 99.9% of the time. It's used exclusively for digitizing PSone, Wii, and PS2 games for PC emulation.
 

loosus

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mj1108 said:
I wouldn't say it's dead. I'd say it will be more along the lines of "If you want an optical drive, that will be another $79 please" -- just like they are doing now with the Macbook Air.
No, it's dead. The option is there so Apple diehards can point at it anytime someone dares to suggest that Apple is limiting storage options. Eventually, they'll probably completely take optical recognition out of the OS kernel, and it'll be chalked up as a move removing unnecessary, legacy code that serves only to slow the system and decrease security.
 

Tobor

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Keyser Soze said:
That seemed obvious for at least 2 year. Engadget really is a shell of its former self :/

Yeah, that site's fallen hard and fast. It's practically Gizmodo 2 at this point.
 

dream

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The Joanna Stern just reviewed the MacBook Air and doesn't seem too bothered by the lack of an optical drive.
 
loosus said:
No, it's dead. The option is there so Apple diehards can point at it anytime someone dares to suggest that Apple is limiting storage options. Eventually, they'll probably completely take optical recognition out of the OS kernel, and it'll be chalked up as a move removing unnecessary, legacy code that serves only to slow the system and decrease security.


Until you want to rip a cd from an older band that isn't available for sale on Itunes, or want to rip an album into a format that isn't so compressed....
 

LCfiner

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SeanR1221 said:
That's a good point.

If Apple goes on a crusade to remove the optical drive, is it

A.) To downsize their machines (imagine an iMac the size of a thunderbolt display) and sell the drive separately

or

B.) To tie people closer to their ecosystem.

can’t it be both? :p

honestly, I think it’s more like 80% of A and 20% for B.

vast majority of Mac sales are laptops. and Apple can make better laptops with the huge optical drive ripped out. better battery, better weight, better size, etc…

And Apple makes more money selling laptops than selling movies and music off iTunes.
 

loosus

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outunderthestars said:
Until you want to rip a cd from an older band that isn't available for sale on Itunes, or want to rip an album into a format that isn't so compressed....
What is until this?
 
yup, mac mini, macbook air. and now the new Macbook pros will be ultra thin too.

I'm fine with it. We'll survive. USB optical drives for the few times you need them.
 

loosus

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Just be glad they went x86. You can get their awesome hardware without buying everything through Apple by not using Mac OS at all.
 

Dennis

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Always-honest said:
yup, mac mini, macbook air. and now the new Macbook pros will be ultra thin too.

I'm fine with it. We'll survive.
We will rejoice you mean.

Removing unnecessary component allowing smaller size and weight is standard technological progress.
 
thezerofire said:
I was under the impression that most people used Mac Mini's as media PC's, so how would removing the drive help that?

I think the theory is that nobody actually plays DVDs in those and just uses everything digitally.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I accidentally opened the trays in my Mac Pro last night. I noticed how super dusty they were. Then I promptly closed them and didn't think of them again until I read this article.
 
I'm okay with this happening to higher-end models like the MacBook Pro and iMac if the removal of the optical drive is replaced by SSD+HDD combo across all SKUs.

Hey, a man can dream, right?
 

Jsunu

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I can't speak for apple but personally I barely used my optical drive anymore. It may not be over yet but I can see it being phased out in the near future a la floppy drives (as with any physical based storage media).
 

LCfiner

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thezerofire said:
I was under the impression that most people used Mac Mini's as media PC's, so how would removing the drive help that?

removing the DVD won’t make the Mac mini a better media PC, no. but I don’t think the Mac mini was used primarily as a media PC. some people did that, sure, but most people buy it as a normal computer.

and i’d be willing to bet that most people savvy enough to use a full computer as a media device hooked up to a TV also have all their movies stored digitally and/or a separate Blu ray player for the best quality stuff.

so, really, it wasn’t a move that I think Apple sweated over.

when they take the drive out of the larger macbook pros… that’s when there will be outcry from those vocal minority of users who burn and rip shit all day long. And apple will shrug their shoulders and keep selling more and more.
 
I've had an IMac since last December and all I've ever used the optical drive for is copying photos and letting my girlfriend take them to walgreens for printing.

I suppose I don't even need CDs for this purpose, as I could easily get a 2+GB SD card.
 

kamspy

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I thought about building my next PC without an optical drive. The only problem I could think of is there isn't a source of lossless music anywhere else.
 
Jsunu said:
I can't speak for apple but personally I barely used my optical drive anymore. It may not be over yet but I can see it being phased out in the near future a la floppy drives (as with any physical based storage media).

I think the difference with floppy drives is you had something else to replace it with. The idea of physical based storage is based around something cheap to quickly store data on and IMO, something you don't mind giving away. Nobody cared then about giving a floppy to someone and never getting it back. Nobody cares about buring a CD or DVD for someone and getting it back. I don't think people are at a point where they will give away USB flash drives though without caring about getting them back though.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I think the difference with floppy drives is you had something else to replace it with. The idea of physical based storage is based around something cheap to quickly store data on and IMO, something you don't mind giving away. Nobody cared then about giving a floppy to someone and never getting it back. Nobody cares about buring a CD or DVD for someone and getting it back. I do think people aren't at a point where they give away USB flash drives though without caring about getting them back.
I think the main problem with that is people keep buying large capacity flash drives. If everyone just used like 512MB drives they wouldn't have much of a problem with it, or even something smaller.
 

jts

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loosus said:
Just be glad they went x86. You can get their awesome hardware without buying everything through Apple by not using Mac OS at all.
That's like buying a beautiful box of great chocolate and not touching the chocolate at all, replacing it with turds.
 
I can't help but agree. It's why I likely won't ever be buying a Blu-Ray player; I'll likely just move right into digital distribution instead.
 

Davidion

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As a mid-high end PC user, there's next to no point for them anymore.

Maybe if you watch a lot of Blu-rays on your computer or have a software market that just isn't serviced by DD, I guess I can see why you'd need one. But other than that...
 

tedtropy

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Eh, people will bitch for awhile but they're just trying to help push a change similar to them being one of the first big names to finally abandon the archaic 3.5" floppy drive.

I'm all for manufacturers excluding them in pretty much all laptops shy of media/gaming portable desktops, in which case excluding a BluRay drive is sort of unforgivable. Then again, since when has Apple cared about BR? In everything else they're mostly just sitting there taking up a ton (relative to other laptop hardware) of space that could be much better used by other hardware, wasting power when you forget you have a disc in there and it annoyingly spins up (I hate when I do this) and DVD-Rs just don't hold shit these days.

I still think a DVD burner should be included in anything other than ultra-slim desktops. The space is there, they cost next to nothing these days, and excluding them at that point is just screwing over the customer and expecting them to pay for an "upgrade" that should already be there. The Mac Mini should absolutely have a BluRay option: Apple has shown they can fit an optical drive in the footprint and still keep it cute and tiny.
 
My MBP is in its 5th year now and I can probably count on both hands the number of times I've used its disc drive, and half those were OS updates. It won't be a huge loss.

Now if they'd just hurry up and start offering 1TB drives already.
 

mike23

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Marty Chinn said:
I think the difference with floppy drives is you had something else to replace it with. The idea of physical based storage is based around something cheap to quickly store data on and IMO, something you don't mind giving away. Nobody cared then about giving a floppy to someone and never getting it back. Nobody cares about buring a CD or DVD for someone and getting it back. I don't think people are at a point where they will give away USB flash drives though without caring about getting them back though.

At this point you can just email it or send it over aim for free. Upload speeds are shit in the US, but it's usually quick enough to send some files in a reasonable time period.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
I am on a PC desktop right now. I bought it without an optical drive and frankensteined in an older DVD drive from a previous desktop.

Since then, I have done the following things:
1) Rip DVD movies/tv shows so I can play them digitally instead of dealing with discs
2) Rip PC retail games so I can play them digitally instead of dealing with discs.

I have literally never used the drive to actually use something.

The common element between the two use cases I do have for discs (and indeed all the use cases I don't have for discs) is that I'm trying to get away from discs. I don't think I'd ever eschew the drive, although I'd be happy to move to a pluggable external optical drive. So I'm basically post-optical right now.
 

BlueTsunami

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Honestly, as long as the ports are there for expansion this shouldn't be as big an issue as its being made out to be. I personally rarely use CD/DVDs on my PC unless I need to burn something (and thats once in a while when I need to archive stuff). Other than that, mostly digital downloads.
 

Xun

Member
I saw it coming.

My main problem comes with music since I buy most of my music on CD, no way in hell would I stop doing that so I'd probably just torrent my music alongside buying it physically.
 

loosus

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
I am on a PC desktop right now. I bought it without an optical drive and frankensteined in an older DVD drive from a previous desktop.

Since then, I have done the following things:
1) Rip DVD movies/tv shows so I can play them digitally instead of dealing with discs
2) Rip PC retail games so I can play them digitally instead of dealing with discs.

I have literally never used the drive to actually use something.

The common element between the two use cases I do have for discs (and indeed all the use cases I don't have for discs) is that I'm trying to get away from discs. I don't think I'd ever eschew the drive, although I'd be happy to move to a pluggable external optical drive. So I'm basically post-optical right now.
Going optical-less on a PC isn't as big a deal. You don't feel as trapped in Microsoft's ecosystem to begin with.
 
mike23 said:
At this point you can just email it or send it over aim for free. Upload speeds are shit in the US, but it's usually quick enough to send some files in a reasonable time period.

Email used to have a 10MB limit, and I haven't bothered to see if that restriction is gone these days. Plus like you said, upload is painfully slow. It's great for a doc file or a couple pics, but if you want to send a lot of pics, let's say holiday photos or something to family, an optical disc IMO is still your best option.

I'm not saying I don't see optical media being phased out and people's usage isn't slowing down with it though. I'm just saying there still is a reasonable use case situation for it and the phasing them out won't be as painless as it was for floppies at this point in time.
 

Tobor

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loosus said:
Going optical-less on a PC isn't as big a deal. You don't feel as trapped in Microsoft's ecosystem to begin with.

You're being ridiculous. OS X does not require you to make purchases from Apple. There are just as many alternative options as on PC. People buy content from Apple because they have a good experience, and trust them as a vendor.
 

Al-ibn Kermit

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Always-honest said:
yup, mac mini, macbook air. and now the new Macbook pros will be ultra thin too.

I'm fine with it. We'll survive. USB optical drives for the few times you need them.

But it still makes sense for their desktops to have it. That's the point the article keeps talking about.
 
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