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[renitou]

No keyboard and no stylus support = big step back for cell phones.


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Yet the macbook air is a cheap fisher price toy wearing expensive clothes while the other laptops are state of the art wearing cheap clothes.

I much rather buy a $500 laptop that looks cheap but is more powerful than a mac book air than pay a premium for a turd in a box that looks nice.




And now your tied to Apple , every bit of software you watn on computer will come from apples walled garden . Want a PDF writer ? Oh apple sells that only your first born child. Want angry birds 4 ? Oh apple has that on their store , only a few pints of your blood .

I much rather be in control of what i'm doing than to have apple in control of what I'm doing.


With my outdated tech , I can back up 25 gigs in 10 minutes for $1 and i can keep tons of it stored in a very small space.

i can back up all my hardrives , all 2 TB of it on 40 discs. No matter what happens i can load all my data back , don't need to have an internet connection or be limited to slow internet speeds .

I'm able to restore at 54MB/s on my outdated bluray drive , if I had to get the data from carbonite i'd be limited to 2MB/s on my internet connection.


On the horizon we have HVD with up to 6TB discs .

Optical media is going to be needed for a very long time. Even now I download and back up all my DD to disc. Never know when you want something and don't have internet acess.

Just because you don't need something , doesn't make it out dated. In fact there are only two people in this world. Those who know what loosing all their data is like and those who don't. I will put you in the group that doesn't.

One day when your hardrive fails your going to wish you had backed it all up to optical

Joke.

 

[Jasoco]

The last time I used my optical drive in my MBP was to install Snow Leopard when I got the machine a year ago. And even then I could have just had it on a Flash drive if I wanted to.

Any movies/TV I own I rip. Anything I can't rip, I acquire in other ways. Either way, in the end, I have a digital copy of my movies and TV shows that I can either copy to my MBP if I need to, or access from anywhere in the world via the internet and Plex/Nine.

Also, Macs have had this since the Air was released years ago...

It can install anything from a CD/DVD over the network from a Mac OR a PC.

I welcome this decision. The faster we can get rid of this noisy, hot, slow medium that depends on having to carry around a 5" disc to use the better.

 

[buhdeh]

Apple is by far the most progressive of the big tech companies.

First with the Smartphone, followed by single-handedly launching the modern tablet revolution.

Next, Apple introduced the MacBook Air that makes all other laptops look like cheap Fisher-Price toys.

Now, Apple says "fuck you" to the outdated and clunky tech that is optical drives.

Rest of industry, are you even trying?

Is this gaf or am I on the macrumors forum right now?

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Is this gaf or am I on the macrumors forum right now?

Its like, kinda true though.

 

[Vyer]

people still fall for eastmen, i see.

 

[LCfiner]

Its like, kinda true though.

it’s 100% true.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Whatever, don't act like Apple has all the Gigahertz.

 

[Starchasing]

i like my macbook because is so quiet

are other laptops out there so quiet??

 

[buhdeh]

Its like, kinda true though.

How? I agree with the iPhone and iPad but Sony has been releasing ultra-thin laptops (which I think are much better looking than the Air) that have always had the performance to back them up for a long time now. The Vaio Z weighs less than the 13" Air already and has better specs in every way. No point of even comparing the old carbon fibre Vaio's to the original Air cause the Vaio just obliterates it in every way. Also, I'm not sure how taking the optical drive out from 2/5 computer product lines makes them progressive. Lots of PC laptops have never had an optical drive to begin with (i.e. Thinkpad X200/X220).

 

[kehs]

Apple is progressive in the same way republicans are progressive.

 

[Marty Chinn]

i like my macbook because is so quiet

are other laptops out there so quiet??

Yes, in fact many of them even have better heat management.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Its all about whatever you want to focus on. For every "progressive" thing Apple does there is always a counterpoint.

When I think of Apple's special brand of progressive I think of the iPad. Everyone before Apple had tried to derive a tablet from the desktop experience. Apple derived a tablet from their cellphone experience. I laughed at the iPad when it was announced. Who the fuck wants a giant cellphone with a useless browser I though. And I still do think that. But the device is getting WAY MORE capable than they ever let on.

 

[lunarworks]

Apple is progressive in the same way republicans are progressive.

What an odd comparison.

It's also WAY off the mark. Did you just sort of come up with it because you know the average Apple user, according to pop culture, dislikes republicans?

 

[kehs]

What an odd comparison.

It's also WAY off the mark. Did you just sort of come up with it because you know the average Apple user, according to pop culture, dislikes republicans?

Apple users are much too diverse to make such a sweeping generalization about political affiliation.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

It's also WAY off the mark. Did you just sort of come up with it because you know the average Apple user, according to pop culture, dislikes republicans?

Yeah, thats the joke.

 

[Starchasing]

Yes, in fact many of them even have better heat management.

which ones? thanks!

 

[Wallach]

How? I agree with the iPhone and iPad but Sony has been releasing ultra-thin laptops (which I think are much better looking than the Air) that have always had the performance to back them up for a long time now. The Vaio Z weighs less than the 13" Air already and has better specs in every way. No point of even comparing the old carbon fibre Vaio's to the original Air cause the Vaio just obliterates it in every way. Also, I'm not sure how taking the optical drive out from 2/5 computer product lines makes them progressive. Lots of PC laptops have never had an optical drive to begin with (i.e. Thinkpad X200/X220).

The Vaio Z starts at $2,000. Looks aside (which I think the Air wins), you had damn well better hope it wins in terms of specs.

 

[Marty Chinn]

which ones? thanks!

I've had an Asus for the last couple of years that has been great. My wife just recently got a Samsung that she's loving. Both are quiet and cool to touch on the bottom as if they weren't even powered on.

 

[lunarworks]

Apple users are much too diverse to make such a sweeping generalization about political affiliation.

"according to pop culture"

 

[Starchasing]

I've had an Asus for the last couple of years that has been great. My wife just recently got a Samsung that she's loving. Both are quiet and cool to touch on the bottom as if they weren't even powered on.

what models??? are they quiet or silent?? im a silence whore

 

[Slurpy2k20]

Or it could be like removing 10 keys you almost never use on the keyboard and having an external attachment when you need those keys =)

Thanks for the utterly ridiculous analogy.

But while we're on topic, I'm completely for abolishing/changing certain keys, like the CAPSLOCK key. Utterly and completely useless. Switch it to a search/fullscreen/whatever.

 

[Wallach]

Thanks for the utterly ridiculous analogy.

But while we're on topic, I'm completely for abolishing/changing certain keys, like the CAPSLOCK key. Utterly and completely useless. Switch it to a search/fullscreen/whatever.

Switch it back to a Control key like it is supposed to be. Caps lock is the most useless key in the universe.

 

[kehs]

Thanks for the utterly ridiculous analogy.

But while we're on topic, I'm completely for abolishing/changing certain keys, like the CAPSLOCK key. Utterly and completely useless. Switch it to a search/fullscreen/whatever.

Google already does on their Chromebooks.

I use caps lock for work alot. It's not useless.

 

[Slurpy2k20]

How? I agree with the iPhone and iPad but Sony has been releasing ultra-thin laptops (which I think are much better looking than the Air) that have always had the performance to back them up for a long time now. The Vaio Z weighs less than the 13" Air already and has better specs in every way. No point of even comparing the old carbon fibre Vaio's to the original Air cause the Vaio just obliterates it in every way. Also, I'm not sure how taking the optical drive out from 2/5 computer product lines makes them progressive. Lots of PC laptops have never had an optical drive to begin with (i.e. Thinkpad X200/X220).

You forgot to mention the fact that it's $2000 base model. Oh, but then that would cause cognitive dissonance with the whole 'Apple products are overpriced' cliche. Gotcha.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Thanks for the utterly ridiculous analogy.

But while we're on topic, I'm completely for abolishing/changing certain keys, like the CAPSLOCK key. Utterly and completely useless. Switch it to a search/fullscreen/whatever.

You did notice the smiley at the end right?

 

[Previous]

It can install anything from a CD/DVD over the network from a Mac OR a PC.

I was just thinking, its only a matter of time before before we start seeing stand alone wireless disc drives that work over wifi networks. Who knows, maybe companies will start making wireless all in one printer/optical drive combo machine things. Hell my bluray player has wifi and can stream stuff from my pc/mac, why shouldn't it be able to send data back to my pc/mac

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I was just thinking, its only a matter of time before before we start seeing stand alone wireless disc drives that work over wifi networks. Who knows, maybe companies will start making wireless all in one printer/optical drive combo machine things. Hell my bluray player has wifi and can stream stuff from my pc/mac, why shouldn't it be able to send data back to my pc/mac

I'm surprised we don't already have that? Is there really none for sale?

(though again, @ $20-$30, you can get a usb-powered very compact DVD burner right now for any laptop.)

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The Vaio Z starts at $2,000. Looks aside (which I think the Air wins), you had damn well better hope it wins in terms of specs.

why let a little technical detail like that get in the way of his point??!

 

[mrkgoo]

It also occurs to me, that all those who are eager to casually burn something for their Dad or colleague or whatever may find that the recipient no longer has a DVD reader to actually want it in optical format. You know, because they all bought iPads and MacBook Airs.


(Actually, my Dad wants jpeg DVDs because they can play on his DVD-Player on his tv).

 

[Raistlin]

BRD playback licensing is a "bag of hurt", as Jobs said.

Remember how Samsung almost successfully tried to get an injunction against all of Sony's PS3 sales in Europe earlier this year, temporarily halting shipments, due to Blu-ray functionality? With all the bitter disputes going on in the mobile area, that's just one more minefield that Apple doesn't want to tread on.

Not that I wouldn't LOVE to have Blu-ray in my Mac, I would, but I can see his point of view. They weighed the benefits and the drawbacks, and decided to leave it out. I guess I'll just save my Blu-rays for my big screen in the living room, where the level of detail has more benefits.

lol - can't let this one go. If you're going to troll, at least pick something remotely defensible.

• It was LG, not Samsung

• The lawsuit was specific to PS3 and to the Netherlands. It was not all of Europe. In reality it was a lame tit for tat as a response to a cellphone lawsuit Sony brought up against LG. There is no indication it was ever applicable to BD's for anything else.

• The ban has been lifted and LG is now liable for substantial damages. It isn't over yet, but regardless there's no indication it's related to anything but PS3 (and it probably won't go anywhere anyway).

The Reality

There aren't any issues making licensing 'a bag of hurt' ... LG's move was simply corporate posturing in retaliation to a previous Sony suit ... and Apple's comments were simply propaganda to deflect criticism for their business decision.

There have been tens of millions of BD players sold, drives built into computers, and sold externally. No problems. Moreover, did companies stop making computers with BD-ROM's or selling standalones after this occurred? No, because they aren't worried.

Hell, I have a media streamer (Popcorn Hour C-200) that can not only play BD's if you add an internal drive ... it plays BD's with full menus from external HDD's and even network drives/servers. All of this legally and fully licensed. It's not the only media streamer to offer this.

There are no serious concerns regarding licensing.



Real Talk

Apple has always positioned Macintosh as the best place to go for media/content creation and playback. It's basically the legacy they've lived off of and continue to propagate since its inception.

In reality, they were working on BD playback. Hell, they're part of the Board of Directors for the BluRay Disc Associationhttp://www.apple.com/pr/library/200...Welcomes-Apple-to-Its-Board-of-Directors.html.

However, Jobs was hedging his bets. He decided to hold off release in order to see how things went with their iTunes movie and TV DD endeavor. Obviously the decision was that they hit a tipping point, and that supporting consumer playback would be a conflict of interests since it could negatively effect their DD offering that was proving quite successful.

Hell Macintosh can actually be used for BD authoring. And why not, it serves to continue its legacy for media/content creation. What you won't see however is support for consumer playback built into the OS or Apple media players. Why? Because it is in their best interest to not support it.



I get that there are plenty of posters that come in and troll anything Apple does as automatically being terrible for consumers. Yeah, it's lame. However doing the opposite and pretending everything they do is for the benefit of consumers is just as bad. The reality is BD playback didn't happen because it's better for Apple, not because it's better for us. Had iTunes's movie and TV offerings not taken off, it's very likely Apple would have BD playback in there right now. Because at that point, it would have been in their interests to have the bullet point as the final destination for all things media related.

 

[numble]

Having Netflix standard on Apple TV and in the iOS App Store "hurts" iTunes more than Blu-Ray playback. Apple makes very little money on iTunes media--it's there to attract sales of high-margin iPods, iPhones and iPads.

http://allthingsd.com/20100225/apple-billions-of-songs-billions-of-apps-not-much-profit/

Even at today’s hyper volume, the digital store is still running at “a bit over break-even,” the company reminded analysts during its earnings call last month.
Here’s the relevant excerpt from that call, via Seeking Alpha (thanks to Venrock’s David Pakman for pointing this out yesterday at the Digital Music Forum East):

Maynard Um–UBS
We have seen a number of industry revenue forecasts for applications and just given kind of the expected explosive growth there I am just wondering if that is still a break-evenish type of business as you look forward over the next couple of years?…
[Apple CFO] Peter Oppenheimer
…Regarding the App Store and the iTunes stores, we are running those a bit over break even and that hasn’t changed. We are very excited to be providing our developers with a fabulous opportunity and we think that is helping us a lot with the iPhone and the iPod touch platform.

As Oppenheimer says, this isn’t a new development. Apple (AAPL) has always maintained that iTunes wasn’t a real money maker. It’s supposed to help sell iPods, iPhones, and soon, iPads.

 

[Raistlin]

Having Netflix standard on Apple TV and in the iOS App Store "hurts" iTunes more than Blu-Ray playback. Apple makes very little money on iTunes media--it's there to attract sales of high-margin iPods, iPhones and iPads.

http://allthingsd.com/20100225/apple-billions-of-songs-billions-of-apps-not-much-profit/

Certainly when I mention iTunes' success, the entire ecosystem comes into play. They're a package deal (though I'd contend iTunes itself is obviously profitable, it's simply running under dramatically lower margins then their HW).


The point stands. Not supporting BD in Mac OS was a business decision that had nothing to do with supposed licensing issues.


The alternative would mean that either Apple is somehow not able to figure out how to license something that numerous other companies have figured out including dozens of tiny Chinese and Korean companies ... or that all of those companies, which include behemoths from Japan, US, and Europe - the biggest CE's in the world - didn't do their due diligence and have opened themselves up to serious legal issues.


I think it's pretty obvious neither are the case.

 

[Terrell]

Reading this thread makes me think that I'm having a conversation from 12 years ago.

Apple tax, discussions about removal of widely-used hardware/additions of hardware no one's heard of to suit Apple's personal agenda.... all that's left is someone to trot out poor game selection and the trifecta of bitching points of 2000 and beyond is complete. False in every way, but complete.

I can't believe that no one has come up with something better. Stop clinging to a tired and worn-out argument that holds less relevance with each passing second, folks.

 

[kehs]

Reading this thread makes me think that I'm having a conversation from 12 years ago.

Apple tax, discussions about removal of widely-used hardware/additions of hardware no one's heard of to suit Apple's personal agenda.... all that's left is someone to trot out poor game selection and the trifecta of bitching points of 2000 and beyond is complete. False in every way, but complete.

I can't believe that no one has come up with something better. Stop clinging to a tired and worn-out argument that holds less relevance with each passing second, folks.

There's a reason the conversation doesn't change.

 

[Terrell]

There's a reason the conversation doesn't change.

Because people who are wrong like repeating things in the hope that it comes true?

 

[Jasoco]

But while we're on topic, I'm completely for abolishing/changing certain keys, like the CAPSLOCK key. Utterly and completely useless. Switch it to a search/fullscreen/whatever.

I'd be all for that. Or at least giving us more options than just Caps Lock, Command, Control and Option. I like the idea of either changing it to Search like ChromeOS, or FullScreen. Would be nice if we could choose what it does.

I hope Caps Lock is next. Do it, Apple! The Caps Lock is less useful than an optical drive. The only thing I use it for is locking Crouch in MineCraft.

 

[Lv99 Slacker]

Somewhat related...

Is this the end of in-car CD players? Ford scraps 'old' technology for digital entertainment -- Daily Mail
Last updated at 8:54 AM on 27th July 2011

Scrabbling around the car for a new CD to listen to on the road could soon be a thing of the past.

Ford hopes to usher in a digital age for in-car entertainment by binning CD players in its new models.

The company plans to help drivers to access their libraries of digital music via the internet.

It has become the first mainstream manufacturer to scrap the in-car CD multichanger.

The car maker’s latest Focus model will instead include a USB socket allowing digital music players to be plugged in.

The new cars will have the Sync ‘infotainment hub’ that lets drivers access their music library through the internet by plugging in a device called a dongle, which enables Wi-Fi.

This would facilitate using devices such as iPods, iPhones and other digital music players.

The in-car computer ‘hub’ can then access digital libraries stored on the internet, be it through Spotifiy or Apple’s iCloud.

Sheryl Connelly, Global Trends and Futuring manager at Ford, said the move was necessary if the company wanted to keep up with the needs of its customers.

'In-car entertainment technology is moving digital more rapidly than almost any other element of the vehicle experience,' she said.

'The in-car CD player - much like pay telephones - is destined to fade away in the face of exciting new technology.'

Ford said sales of in-car CD players were declining rapidly, in line with falling sales of the discs.

In 2010, sales of physical music albums fell 12.4 per cent, while those of digital versions rose by 30.6 per cent in the UK.

Ford expects two million cars in Europe to have its Sync system by 2015.

I think this is only happening in Europe for the time being.

 

[Raistlin]

Reading this thread makes me think that I'm having a conversation from 12 years ago.

Apple tax, discussions about removal of widely-used hardware/additions of hardware no one's heard of to suit Apple's personal agenda.... all that's left is someone to trot out poor game selection and the trifecta of bitching points of 2000 and beyond is complete. False in every way, but complete.

I can't believe that no one has come up with something better. Stop clinging to a tired and worn-out argument that holds less relevance with each passing second, folks.

No one's clinging to tired and worn-out arguments since the reality is the same. Nothing has really changed from 12 years ago.

• Apple has a number of products that sell at a higher margin than their competitors. Good for them, but - it's gonna piss some people off

• Dollar for dollar, Apple has some products that are a behind in terms of performance. You get things other things in return for that investment, but not everyone feels those other things are worth the money - it's gonna piss some people off

• Every company's business strategy has pros and cons for the consumer. In the case of Apple (beyond the above), there is a loss of a certain amount of control and features - - it's gonna piss some people off

Because people who are wrong like repeating things in the hope that it comes true?

Lol ... not even close.

If you like Apple's products and they fit your requirements ... buy them. They make plenty of good stuff. I actually love a number of their products. Some unfortunately don't meet my needs, a few I don't consider worth the extra outlay.

Both perspectives are fair, so don't pretend people are wrong when pointing out truths. Sure some people are trolling, but some people are also blindly defending them via ignorance.

 

[RevoDS]

Somewhat related...

Is this the end of in-car CD players? Ford scraps 'old' technology for digital entertainment -- Daily Mail
Last updated at 8:54 AM on 27th July 2011


I think this is only happening in Europe for the time being.

This is a bold move, but they're probably getting ahead of their time. CDs are still the main media used in cars besides radio, and I'm not sure the general population is going to embrace digital media as fast as Ford thinks. There could be some major backlash to this decision.

For myself? Great news. I'm using my iPod exclusively in my car nowadays, and I couldn't go back to CD/radio only.

 

[airmangataosenai]

I always thought the Air wasn't very successful for Apple. Guess I heard wrong. Either way this move seems stupid to me, but I don't really give a shit about Apple products anyway.

Also leave it to them to be able to take out a major feature and have their fans not only defend it, but call it "Forward Thinking". Never change guys.

 

[Raistlin]

I always thought the Air wasn't very successful for Apple.

It wasn't initially. The first few Air iterations were very expensive for what you got. Not only was its relative performance pretty terrible at that price, but its absolute performance wasn't anything to write home about.

Fast forward to today and the Air starts at a respectable price-point, it's relative performance for the money is nowhere near as poor, and it's absolute performance is more that sufficient to blow through the sorts of things it's intended to be used for.

It's actually a fairly compelling machine with a fantastic form-factor. Probably the only real complaint is the ridiculous pricing for upgrades and unfortunately it's difficult to upgrade yourself to my knowledge (maybe not even realistically viable? either way, IIRC it voids the warranty). If you are fine with the specs of the base units though, it seems pretty sweet.

 

[LyleLanley]

I always thought the Air wasn't very successful for Apple. Guess I heard wrong. Either way this move seems stupid to me, but I don't really give a shit about Apple products anyway.

Also leave it to them to be able to take out a major feature and have their fans not only defend it, but call it "Forward Thinking". Never change guys.

Thanks for not reading a single post in this thread.

 

[numble]

Also leave it to them to be able to take out a major feature and have their fans not only defend it, but call it "Forward Thinking". Never change guys.

Who are you quoting?

 

[Staccat0]

Hello!

I will be too once you offer everything on iTunes in Apple Lossless.

This

 

[UrokeJoe]

If you must.

 

[B!TCH]

Somewhat related...

Is this the end of in-car CD players? Ford scraps 'old' technology for digital entertainment -- Daily Mail
Last updated at 8:54 AM on 27th July 2011


I think this is only happening in Europe for the time being.

Wow! It contradicts what the article says, but for some reason I presumed in-car CD players would be the last bastion of physical media to go. For me it's satellite radio or my phone for audio in the car these days. I just can't be bothered to burn CD's with 14-16 songs a piece anymore.

 

[eastmen]

Wow! It contradicts what the article says, but for some reason I presumed in-car CD players would be the last bastion of physical media to go. For me it's satellite radio or my phone for audio in the car these days. I just can't be bothered to burn CD's with 14-16 songs a piece anymore.

Why ? You can now for $200 buy a device that holds tens of thousands of songs , podcasts and other things. Why would u want to lug around CDs ?

Now with cell phones you can stream as much music as you want. Sure its not the same quality but for a car its alot easier to carry an mp3 player or your phone than a huge binder of cds .

I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner actually

 

[eastmen]

You're fucking insane, a horrible troll, or both. How many smartphones from other companies are using your precious stylus and keyboard? Who the fuck wants to even use stylus with a smartphone on this planet, apart from you? How can you honestly believe being required to use an extra tool to interact with a phone is a good idea?

People are using slim jims to replicate a stlyus because of the lack of them in modern devices.

Touch is not very persicse . I can write out in free hand long emails and send the data before you can type out an email on your iphone.

Touch is in , but its limited and we are seeing the limitations.

Yeah.. see above. Your extreme hatred of Apple is making you rabid, and utterly nonsensical. Noone is stopping you or others from buying your $500 laptop, but the Macbook air is both a massive critical and consumer success. I've never seen a laptop reviewed so well across so many places as the new air. No, but you're right, it's a turd, says the guy lamenting the stylus phone.

Mabye you should follow the conversation from the start.

Angry bird costs $0.99. Stop being a tool. How is this different from buying anything anywhere? You want them to sell Angry birds on a DVD disk? Companies can CHOOSE to have their apps available on the appstore, or they can sell them on their own damn websites. Noone is stopping you from doing anything, except that Apple is giving people an ultra-easy way to buy and install software- which will benefit 95% of the people I know who use macs.

And is Angry birds comparable to GTA China town wars in length , budget or quality?

Once again if you have no idea what the conversation is about , perhaps you shouldn't respond .

What a ridiculous rant. It's one thing if you're willing to back up your data to 40 disks, then do it all over again when stuff changes, and managing and organizing those disks- its something else entirely for you to expect other to undergo such an archaic and frankly ridiculous backup solution. Yes, optical disks will still be used, but certainly not for backup for the majority of the population.

Alot of data doesn't change.

If i rip my dvds to mpeg 4 why would I ever need to reburn the rips ? What is going to change ? Perhaps i will rip more dvds in the future /blurays but i will only have to burn new ones.


Pictures ? ITs the same thing , once i fill up a BD i just burn it and if i need the pictures i acess them on the disc.


Seems you don't know what your talking about. Hardrives are mechanical and have a high failure rate . If your drive dies for whatever reason your SOL . Optical is a better backup for storage.


90% of my back up discs never change until a new higher capacity format comes about so I can reduce the amount of discs I have.

Your entire post is nonsensical, and filled with ranting hate for a tech company, lamenting changes that consumers as a whole have embraced (My mind is still blown at your stylus comment) . If you had any say at Apple, your decisions would have either bankrupted Apple, or left it as a shadow of what it is now.

Stylus control has its place , its much better than touch. Yes apple hit it big with the iphone and its touch interface , but its a useless phone for getting real work done and its a huge limitation for the ipad also.

Windows 7 has the best hand writing recognition I've ever seen and using it on my tablet makes my life easier.

To have to switch to a touch based interface for everything would be a huge step back. I've tried to use an ipad 2 as a replacement with an active stlyus and used many recognition software apps on the market place and none even come close .


Yes I'm sure touch is great for angry birds and I'm sure apple can get even more users who just want angry birds or other childish distractions that work great with touch. But touch doesn't work for everything .

 

[Wiktor]

External drives exist. Its better to remove the drive and then give you the option to add it rather than forcing everyone to have to live with it.

You can always remove the drive from laptop and replace it with additional HD or just leave it empty.

And in Mac minis, where's the option to have it built in? Existence of drive won't change much for desktop computer. If you don't like it you don't have to use. Existence of drive won't afffect your computing experience.

In comparision having to use external drive is much more cumbersome.

Of course, the best solution would be to sell two mac minis, one with and the other one without drive

 

[Wiktor]

lol, this guy. herpty derpty.
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God, Macheads really are the worst fanboys on the net. Nobody else comes close