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[Kataploom]

What's the complaint? I don't have any issue with windows since... Idk, maybe 2008? I haven't had a single computer getting slow with windows in years, it can only be a hardware problem, even my old phenom 2 which I gave to my grandpa years ago it's still rocking in normal daily tasks.

What's the problem exactly?

 

[twilo99]

3 products have held us back too long:

- Windows.
- Office.
- Adobe Creative Suite.

These 3 products have done the exact opposite

 

[Minsc]

These 3 products have done the exact opposite

That may be, but I can't get on board with having everything require a monthly subscription. Granted I'm mainly talking about Adobe CS here, it's been a while since I used office, but last memories I have of that are Office 365 which wanted a sub as well.

Imagine if everything you owned had a monthly subscription to it, your console, your TV streaming service, your phone, your house, your car, your notebook, even your toothbrush (hey, they make toothbrushes with monthly subs believe it or not). It's a matter of where you want to draw the line.

I don't see progress in having everything turn in to a monthly sub.

 

[Bojji]

I tried returning to windows 10 around the time 24h2 update was released (I wanted to reinstall W11 from image with it for optimum performance) and... It's pretty much the same thing but missing options from 11 that I already take for granted. So yeah I returned to W11 (this time with 24h2).

System is far from perfect but all of them were like that, every time new windows landed there were die hard fans of previous system that didn't want to switch until years later (or to the next system).

Vista was objectively bad before SP1, windows 8 was bad before 8.1 (and still worse than w7). W11 had massive CPU bugs every few months for AMD but other than that it's... Ok.

 

[rodrigolfp]

3 products have held us back too long:

- Windows.
- Office.
- Adobe Creative Suite.

1 is almost down imo because its only real consumer use is because of 2 and 3, we have 2 more shitty products to go.

The day these 3 products fuck off entirely or get replaced by something better, the entire world will experience mass jubilation the likes of which you've never seen.

Since when all games works and works better/well enough on another OS???

 

[Unknown?]

Since when all games works and works better/well enough on another OS???

Since gaming OSs have started to be worked on. Nothing has 100% compatibility but without the bloat, you have less resources being hogged. It's only a matter of time till Proton has compatibility on par with the best emulators out there and when that happens Windows will be irrelevant for gaming.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Since gaming OSs have started to be worked on. Nothing has 100% compatibility but without the bloat, you have less resources being hogged. It's only a matter of time till Proton has compatibility on par with the best emulators out there and when that happens Windows will be irrelevant for gaming.

So all games work on another OSs since gaming have started to be worked on them but proton still has time to be compatibility with everything. I see a contradiction there.

 

[twilo99]

That may be, but I can't get on board with having everything require a monthly subscription. Granted I'm mainly talking about Adobe CS here, it's been a while since I used office, but last memories I have of that are Office 365 which wanted a sub as well.

Imagine if everything you owned had a monthly subscription to it, your console, your TV streaming service, your phone, your house, your car, your notebook, even your toothbrush (hey, they make toothbrushes with monthly subs believe it or not). It's a matter of where you want to draw the line.

I don't see progress in having everything turn in to a monthly sub.

You can still buy Office without having to subscribe to anything.

 

[twilo99]

Since when all games works and works better/well enough on another OS???

They don't.

Also, let's not forget that Windows is the main reason Steam exists as we know it.

 

[phant0m]

Switched to Linux when Vista launched. Hard times for a gamer back then but hung in there.
Haven't had a single game not work on Linux for a long time. Even stuff on epic and EA launcher work flawless.

What distro you use, and are you playing native stuff or using WINE/CrossOver?

 

[Minsc]

Switched to Linux when Vista launched. Hard times for a gamer back then but hung in there.
Haven't had a single game not work on Linux for a long time. Even stuff on epic and EA launcher work flawless.

I wonder - how does Linux perform with regular apps - do you get Dolby Vision through Netflix under Linux for example? How do nVidia's GPU drivers work - does DLSS 3.0 frame generation work well?

 

[The_Observer]

"forced updating in everything that results in worse results than before?" But hasn't this been a complaint since the early versions of windows? More often then not, everyone complains when the new versions of the OS are shoved down our throats, then everyone complains when MS eventually sunsets their previous OS's. I just don't see how one can make the connection to "hiring practices" when we have been hearing the same complaints for 20+ years, well before such initiatives where in vouge.

If you don’t see the general regression everywhere then good for you, nothing more to say.

 

[MarkMe2525]

If you don’t see the general regression everywhere then good for you, nothing more to say.

So instead of providing specific examples, you deflect with generalized hyperbole. Might I add that these specific complaints also were heard from windows users during the releases of Windows before 3.1, Windows ME, Windows Vista, Windows 8, and subsequent dropping of support for Win DOS, Win 95, Win XP, Win 7, and now Win 10. I probably missed a few, but I think I made my point.

I really am open to be proven wrong, but these complaints aren't anything new, and have existed long before there were any "DEI" hiring programs implemented in earnest. So far, you provide claims, but back those up with nothing more than descriptions of an ambiguous feeling of regression. Well "feelings" are one thing, facts and evidence are another, you shouldn't confuse the two.

 

[Wolzard]

Its compatability is a nightmare, double spaces in documents when opened in Word, etc. There is no office suite that has 100% compatability on Linux. They all share similar problems. The closest is WPS, but it is Chinese and has a history of being spyware.

Have you tried using open formats (ods, odt, etc.) even in Microsoft Office? Office works with them normally and this format works in any other suite. Microsoft's format (docx, xls) is supposed to be open, but Microsoft creates incompatibilities to monopolize its suite. I don't know how this hasn't been verified by some government body to this day.

I wonder - how does Linux perform with regular apps - do you get Dolby Vision through Netflix under Linux for example? How do nVidia's GPU drivers work - does DLSS 3.0 frame generation work well?

Netflix itself only works with all features in the Windows app or Edge. It doesn't work very well in other browsers, even on Windows.
I personally prefer to use the TV app or a device, like Fire TV.
Dolby Vision is the same thing, even on Windows it is very precarious, it also works better on the TV app. The other day I downloaded a DV file and the colors were all incorrect in the MPC-HC.

Nvidia drivers work well, most distros provide them in their repositories, some distros install them automatically.
DLSS 3 works, it was added a while ago in Proton Experimental. For now, you need to pass some parameters at launch, but when its leave Proton Experimental phase, it will work normally, like DLSS 2.

 

[AnOldBrownie_67]

Since gaming OSs have started to be worked on. Nothing has 100% compatibility but without the bloat, you have less resources being hogged. It's only a matter of time till Proton has compatibility on par with the best emulators out there and when that happens Windows will be irrelevant for gaming.

Game modding and EA anticheat is still a barrier to me fulling going Windowless and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

While Proton works well, I still get better FPS on any game I've installed in Win11 compared to when I run it on Linux Mint. I run Nvidia 550 drivers on my installation (Mint).

Hell, Madden 24/25 won't even start up under Linux.

I have a 400gb install of Skyrim that I doubt will fire up my modlist at all under Mint.

Star Citizen runs better under Windows as well.

I'm not saying that I don't prefer my Linux desktop to Windows. I do. But it's only due to aesthetics. Windows 11 has been rock solid for over 3 years and I'm guessing it's going to only continue to get better.



Oh...and due to licensing issues I have yet to find a browser on Linux that will stream Paramount Plus or Peacock Tv. Just another reason I spend more time on my Windows 11 install than I do on Linux Mint.

 

[CandyCrushSagat]

What distro you use, and are you playing native stuff or using WINE/CrossOver?

Kubuntu.I use Play on Linux with Wine for the EA and Ubisoft launcher, and for Steam games, I just go with whatever it installs.I got a Steam Deck about a year ago and haven't really used my PC since. Every game I've downloaded on the Deck has worked perfectly.

 

[nani17]

I run a custom Windows 11 where I stripped out everything. All the BS bloat, Edge, MS Store, all the apps etc is removed and you are left with just the basics. It starts out with around 65 processes and you install what you want

 

[alphachino]

Just spent an hour on the wife's Razer Blade 14 which is on W11... and it's soooo shit.

 

[AnOldBrownie_67]

Just spent an hour on the wife's Razer Blade 14 which is on W11... and it's soooo shit.

How is it shit? I'm not being confrontational. I'd really like to know.

 

[ResilientBanana]

I don't know, I'm not having issues with Windows 11. Not sure what's giving people a hard time. It's not my favorite OS of all time, but it functions for everything I need it to do. The only issues I really have are when dealing with sound output

 

[kikii]

been saying that win11 is awsum but i changed my mind ;D

yesterday i finally installed 24h2 update aand boom it fcking deactivated windows i dono where my key is but after googling lil bit seems many ppl have same problem, it seems it doesnt even matter where my key is cause it will not work


E: rolling back to 23H2 seems to fix that problem....MS is so fcked up company they cant get anything right

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

W11 is a pure piece of shit, made to lost your time with the leitmotiv "ergonomics is DEAD": bring back the W10 start menu *officially* and stick deep in your ass your idiotproof dumb start menu filled of GIANT VOID AND BLANK spaces and then, we can talk.
They should fire the whole team behind this, there no need to reinvent the wheel if it's already existing and working, that's what W11 is: a UI FAIL like Windows 8.
They acted like google or firefox lately which constantly fill the need to break then redo everything and remake a new UI for the sake of the grand nothing of the universe.
Can't believe the pattern "install Windows every 2 major releases" is still true, from a troll to a reality.

 

[HogIsland]

Last night, I knocked out one of the last reasons to run windows: Half-Life Alyx. SteamVR w/ Link is busted on Linux, but I was able to get Alyx streaming to my Quest2 via ALVR. You can install ALVR on Quest directly from the Meta store, and then run the launcher app on the host system. I ran into a known issue that required changing the SteamVR launch command, but overall it wasn't too bad. Pretty cool to have my Bazzite "console" playing games on the TV and streaming VR like a boss.

Hopefully Valve fixes their shit, but for now this works.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I use OneDrive for work and it’s amazing how bad it feels. Like, windows 95 on my 166mhz pentium with 16 megs of ram twenty years ago felt better. If this is just a reality of the network setup, get rid of the network setup and do something else. It’s simply awful.

Same, we had a dropbox account a few years back and it was like night and day better than onedrive is still today.

We use onedrive because it comes free with our o365 sub, but dropbox and probably google drive too is clearly better.

 

[Badlucktroll]

windows should become irrelevant and fade into obscurity for gaming and be replaced with linux kernels with better performance right on the metal

 

[MafiaMurderBag]

Windows 11 sucks. I installed it once and my screen started turning black randomly. Other problems included Windows file explorer opening randomly. Fix your bugs Microsoft. That is the reason I switched back to 10. Also, fuck your malware.

But Windows 10 will die soon. And using outdated OS is too risky due to hackers. So, they will force me to switch, but I will keep using 10 as long as I could.

Mine has been black screening randomly a lot too since upgrading, I've tried every fix suggested across the internet and nothing solves it. Considering downgrading back to 10 of which I had no grief.

If I could, I'd even go back to 7.

 

[AnOldBrownie_67]

So...are the Windows 11 issues most are experiencing here hardware driver related issues? I'm not seeing any of the problems others have experienced.

Device name Blackbox
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700KF CPU @ 3.80GHz 3.80 GHz
Installed RAM 32.0 GB
RTX 4060ti
2 TB SSD
additional external 2TB SD

Run some pretty intensive games on my box, scan old pictures, print things occassionally. I haven't had a crash in over a year, and for the life of me I can't remember what caused my last one.

 

[simpatico]

So...are the Windows 11 issues most are experiencing here hardware driver related issues? I'm not seeing any of the problems others have experienced.

Device name Blackbox
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700KF CPU @ 3.80GHz 3.80 GHz
Installed RAM 32.0 GB
RTX 4060ti
2 TB SSD
additional external 2TB SD

Run some pretty intensive games on my box, scan old pictures, print things occassionally. I haven't had a crash in over a year, and for the life of me I can't remember what caused my last one.

It's just a step backwards from 10 in power user ergonomics. That is the frustration.

 

[nkarafo]

I really can't get used to the new right click context menu. I mean, after 25 years of using something in a certain way, how can i change now? Also, why?

I know there is probably a registry fix for this but again, why? What was wrong with the old one?

 

[Connxtion]

I really can't get used to the new right click context menu. I mean, after 25 years of using something in a certain way, how can i change now? Also, why?

I know there is probably a registry fix for this but again, why? What was wrong with the old one?

Restore the old Context Menu in Windows 11

Right-click the Start button and choose Windows Terminal.
Copy the command from below, paste it into Windows Terminal Window, and press enter.
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
Restart File Explorer or your computer for the changes to take effect.
You would see the Legacy Right Click Context menu by default.

Spoiler: From answer.microsoft

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a

 

[Burger King]

Gabe save us

 

[nkarafo]

Restore the old Context Menu in Windows 11

Right-click the Start button and choose Windows Terminal.
Copy the command from below, paste it into Windows Terminal Window, and press enter.
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
Restart File Explorer or your computer for the changes to take effect.
You would see the Legacy Right Click Context menu by default.

Spoiler: From answer.microsoft

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a

Thanks, i'm not actually using Windows 11 myself, but a lot of people do nowadays and since i'm helping people with their computers i have to deal with it.

 

[AnOldBrownie_67]

I'm sorry...but I'm not getting it. Other than getting a registry error about 20 percent of the time I shut down, Windows 11 has been rock solid. Yes, I'm running a 10th gen Intel cpu...but that can't be the reason I don't have problems right? I'm thinking of upgrading to a 14th gen intel cpu next year, but if it's going to kill reliability in Windows I'm going to ride with what I've got.

 

[srerwws]

I just use Windows for gaming+demanding tasks and my M1 MacBook Air for everything else. (Also got a Steam Deck for gaming+Linux, but I don't use it day to day)

To me Mac OS just feels much better to use for more day to day usage. I mean even the settings on Mac OS is 100x better than what Windows has. Simple and precise on finding what I need.

Infact I'll go into more details on settings on Windows. It's so jumbled up it's crazy. Half the stuff you need isn't even in the normal settings view. It's buried under stuff that goes back to windows xp style UI that has the useful stuff.

To setup surround for my speakers I had to bring up the old ass volume mixer. Like why? Settings had my speakers setup as stereo and wouldn't give me *any* options to choose otherwise. But the good ol' volume mixer listed under Advanced,then More Sound Settings had everything I needed for 5.1. Volume mixer should've been added properly in the UI of the new san antonio window tinting settings to have everything I need, instead of half assing it like they always seem to do when adding new things.

This type of thing is a common issue with multiple things throughout Windows too.

One of the major concerns is the steep hardware requirements, such as the need for TPM 2.0 and specific processors, which have left many older but capable PCs unable to upgrade. Performance issues, like slower file transfers and occasional system freezes, have also been reported by users.

 

[Lillie]

24H2 has had many of my games randomly crash to desktop (4070ti super, 9800x3d) after a good amount of time playing (1-2 hours).

 

[LordOfChaos]

This stuff is just gross. I truly, truly wish there was still a pay once and F right off version of Windows that didn't try to monetize me in any further way after taking my money. No defaulting to cloud storage, let me save on my desktop and hide my icons like the animal I am, just get out of my way again. And definitely not this gross behaviour.

Microsoft is using Bing to trick people into thinking they’re on Google

It’s the latest attempt to get people to use Bing instead of Google.

www.theverge.com

 

[Drew1440]

This stuff is just gross. I truly, truly wish there was still a pay once and F right off version of Windows that didn't try to monetize me in any further way after taking my money. No defaulting to cloud storage, let me save on my desktop and hide my icons like the animal I am, just get out of my way again. And definitely not this gross behaviour.

Microsoft is using Bing to trick people into thinking they’re on Google

It’s the latest attempt to get people to use Bing instead of Google.

www.theverge.com

I wish they would allow you to buy an LTSC licence, that does all you described with all the nagging stuff removed.

BTW Microsoft, it's never, not 'Remind Me Later'. I don't want or need OneDrive, or Office 365, or PC Gamepass. Please stop nagging me every time I log in with a fullscreen advert.
It's amazing how this parody from 2007 was spot on:

 

[AnOldBrownie_67]

24H2 has had many of my games randomly crash to desktop (4070ti super, 9800x3d) after a good amount of time playing (1-2 hours).

Is this an INTEL issue, or a Windows issue? I ask because I haven't had a single gaming issue in Windows 11 in over 3 year.

I run a 4060 ti on my desktop and a 4060 on my HP Envy 16. Not one software issue crashing.

 

[Closer]

Is this an INTEL issue, or a Windows issue? I ask because I haven't had a single gaming issue in Windows 11 in over 3 year.

I run a 4060 ti on my desktop and a 4060 on my HP Envy 16. Not one software issue crashing.

9800x3D is AMD, 4070Ti Super is NVIDIA.