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Not according to Dr. Phil. You can't just turn it around with a few 11/10's… so don't expect us to try.
Europe Monthly Charts - October 2023: PS5 is up 143% yoy in October , Switch is 20% down yoy while Xbox is down 52% yoy
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GHG
Gold Member
Yeh but according to him Microsoft already make good games that he loves, it's just that everyone else has shit taste.
Random gamepass game 237 was great but that new Mario game?
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kazuyamishima
Member
Selling about 600k in Mainland Europe for October 2023 means that November 2023 could be closer to 2m. units sold just for Europe.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I think Sega is a nice fit for them. Complements and supplements them. There is also a lot of history there. Sonic partnering with Mario makes a lot of sense from a transmedia perspective.
I think sega would be a good fit for Sony too though.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I simply don't see how game streaming will ever be profitable. The problem is that video streaming and game streaming are fundamentally different entities. Ten years ago it was already possible for one single Netflix video streaming server to stream tens of thousands movies simultaneously because it only needs lots of network bandwidth and plenty of hard disk/SSD storage to stores all those video files. Network and storage, that's exactly what cloud servers are built for.
But game streaming is fundamentally different. You're not playing a video file off a hard disk, you're playing a video game in real time that's running on a dedicated piece of server hardware in a remote server location. If you want to play a video game on a cloud gaming service by MS or Sony in high quality (4K 60 fps with the same visuals as an Xbox Series X or PS5) that dedicated cloud gaming server can only handle one gaming session at the time, since the game will be running on a custom built Xbox Series X or PS5 housed in a blade server.
If Netflix wants to stream movies to one million logged in susbscribers, they'd only need to install 50 servers. If Sony wants to stream games to one million concurrent PS+ subscribers, they'd need to install one million PS5 blade servers.
First, 50 servers aren't maintaining one million users for video. I can guarantee you of that. Netflix has 18,000 servers. They are also not simply storage, there is still some processing power requirements.
Second, Unlike TV/Movies, gamers play less overall time than people watch. The odds that all available blades are utilized at one point is very low.
You look at Steam and its 60 million active daily users and then think about concurrent users... you're probably looking at half of that if not less.
These server blades are far cheaper than consoles, because you're only looking at the guts of the machine without a lot of of unnecessary aspects, disc drive, usb ports, casing, and you can have more robust and holistic cooling.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Expected spiderman 2 to do better. Did not expect Mirage to beat it. I wonder why spiderman is not big in europe. Only a 11% boost from last month despite a massive PS exclusive release.
XBox is done. I dont think it will sell as well as the xbox one barring a miracle. Starfield didnt help. Forza didnt help. gamepass didnt help. new series s didnt help. cod acquisition didnt help. tough luck for microsoft.
XBox is done. I dont think it will sell as well as the xbox one barring a miracle. Starfield didnt help. Forza didnt help. gamepass didnt help. new series s didnt help. cod acquisition didnt help. tough luck for microsoft.
yazenov
Member
"Ubisoft's Assassin's Creed Mirage is No.2, beating Spider-Man 2 by a very narrow margin (and Assassin's Creed Mirage was on sale for two weeks longer)."
- beat it by a narrow margin because it had 2 weeks head start.
Assassin's Creed, Spider-Man, Mario and PS5 deliver strong sales in October | European Monthly Charts
Big sales for Assassin's Creed Mirage, Spider-Man 2, Super Mario Bros Wonder and PS5 helped overcome the lack of Call of Duty in October across Europe
www.gamesindustry.biz
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James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I wonder what MS's near term plan is
Do they flood GamePass with free CoD and hope that sells consoles?
I don't think they can even add CoD until the Sony marketing is done. CoD 2023 was the last entry in the marketing deal
So they add CoD 2024 for free on GP?
No it doesn't it's just that Xbox really doesn't have the appeal that it had during the Xbox 360 days or even the early Xbox One days.
Xbox success is based on PlayStation's mishaps but PlayStation is on Apple Status right now
I laid it out plain before the generation even started
www.neogaf.com
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Opinion - Microsoft is creating a marketing problem for Xbox Series X that 12 TFLOPs can't fix, and PS5 / Switch are going to walk all over it
They want to use the Xbox One & PC as a crutch in case Xbox Series X don't sell enough to support the developers which is a smart move but Xbox Series X also need it's own identity outside of just having a new tower design. When it's time for the commercials & Sony have people in ads faking...
Xbox as a console brand seems to be really dying lately can Scarlett change that or will it be a short lived project?
There was more hype around Xbox Scorpio than there is around Scarlett , Xbox One X started off with a nice push from Microsoft but it seems like they quickly gave up on it you can get a Xbox One X for $402 right now but no one seems to care that it's $97 off . You can get the Xbox One S A.D for...
rapid32.5
Member
Yes, but Series consoles now have more games and more than 30+ studios bought than at launch and the appeal isn't there, it is actually dwindling. Because it's too US focus management. Which has been a miss all the time this gen with worldwide audience . Xbox 360 had diversity and exclusivity in games how funny does it sound.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Exclusion might be hurting them as well but we have to wait and see what happens.
demigod
Member
Bro out here thinkin Sony is losing money on console sales. Newsflash, they aren't. It's actually ms that are losing profit.
killatopak
Member
I'm pretty sure Microsoft is still happy with this. Sony and Nintendo are part of the Xbox community after all.
Daneel Elijah
Member
Not to take his defense, but it depends on your definition of loosing money. For some people unrealised money is the same as loosing money. When Nintendo reminded everyone that they did not own Niantic they lost some of their value in the stock market. For me Sony is making efforts to have their ecosystem valuable for them, their partners and the consumers. And they still make some profit in the process.
semiconscious
Member
the problem with game pass is that the library, tho large, is finite. you can, in a year plus, pretty much experience all of it that you might be interested in (i know, because i did). at which point, & along with the presence of few, if any, major exclusives, what, exactly, does your xbox offer?...
i've enjoyed my series s, but game pass without a somewhat steady flow of big titles? just doesn't work...
thismeinteil
Member
Just a reminder, October is also when the Activision deal was announced to be complete. I was wondering if the deal would backfire, as many probably don't like all of this consolidation of the market. Would be funny if the acquisition of the largest 3rd party publisher actually turned even more people away from Xbox.
Bernardougf
Member
Agree 100% on the 6 pak abbs .. but the Ferrari ? My man ... Just park that shinning red magnet in the right spot, open the door and you dont even have to say a f..ing word ... I really can vouch for this.
And back on topic... good.. fuck MS practices and Gamepass... sooner they burn the better for the industry ....
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I can't tell if this post is serious or a joke
Real wars are going on in the world and he wants the president to focus on the console wars…?
With the diehard Xbox fans on Twitter you never know…
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tommib
Banned
I actually thought it was a joke at first but then noticed the Palestine flag and Hamas Donkey Kong so it's probably a ResetEra mod who takes himself very seriously.
Unknown Soldier
Member
"Mr. President, any further aid to Ukraine should be made contingent on increasing Xbox sales in the EU!"
- This dude, probably
Dick Jones
Banned
It's a meme. I think it's mocking the tweets sent to Biden when the FTC were looking to break up the ABK merger. These type of tweets are real unfortunately
Luminoth-4545
Member
For Europe in 2022 Switch won every month apart from October, in 2023 PS5 won every month apart from May.
Even then the best BC machine is a PC, the best gamepass machine is a PC as well, why someone would want to buy an xbox?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Can you tell us what was it that Xbox did that was copied by PlayStation and it was better for all of us?
I'm struggling here. Was it the paid online?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
For games like Halo 5 not emulated on PC.
Daneel Elijah
Member
What made me buy a PS5 as close to day one as possible was the Demon's Souls remake. If even 1 person is happy with Halo 5 BC good for them. the best gif in this situation is this one:
Are you really trying to compare Demon's Souls, a remake of one of the most defining and innovative videogame of the last 15 years with Halo 5, one of the most boring if not average Halo ever realeased?
Really, no one gives a flying fuck about having the possibility of playing Halo 5 in backwards compatibility.
Really, no one gives a flying fuck about having the possibility of playing Halo 5 in backwards compatibility.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
AC Mirage released on 4 consoles (PS4, PS5, XBO, XBS) and PC. And yeah, we do love our Assassin's Creed games over here in mainland Europe.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Daneel Elijah
Member
Not really. Just that some people would say the same about it, but I don't mind. If someone is in love with Halo 5, good for them. As dumb as it may be for you, if it works, it works. I admit that there should be better games, but tastes are infinite.
magnumpy
Member
man switch is played out. time for a refresh, but that's obvious lol 
PS5 is killing it, no comment
Xbox, does it need a price cut? imagine everything else was the same but the X/S sold for $50 less. would that be doable? maybe with a hardware refresh? but maybe that would just be throwing money down the well...
the thing is, Microsoft as a whole is a very profitable successful company, it's just the Xbox division that's not...
PS5 is killing it, no comment
Xbox, does it need a price cut? imagine everything else was the same but the X/S sold for $50 less. would that be doable? maybe with a hardware refresh? but maybe that would just be throwing money down the well...
the thing is, Microsoft as a whole is a very profitable successful company, it's just the Xbox division that's not...
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
It's been like that for quite some time here, be it at the Fnac(like in this video) or at micromania.
GHG
Gold Member
If you read this twitter thread it's another timdog situation.
These guys are mentally ill, going to shops and quizzing/interfering with random strangers.
At least he's getting toasted in the replies for his antics.
Phil needs to come and collect his boys, they are out here on the streets making his job even harder for him.
LordCBH
Member
Also a return to classic AC style!
tommib
Banned
It's this all over Europe for years now. It doesn't help that Xbox localization efforts compared to PlayStation have a lot of be desired. All first party titles are dubbed or subtitled into European Portuguese for Portugal, for instance, instead of Brazilian Portuguese.
Country focus actually pays off.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
A price cut for Xbox? You can get a Series S + 3 months of Gamepass for 200€ right now...it can't go down even further i think.man switch is played out. time for a refresh, but that's obvious lol
PS5 is killing it, no comment
Xbox, does it need a price cut? imagine everything else was the same but the X/S sold for $50 less. would that be doable? maybe with a hardware refresh? but maybe that would just be throwing money down the well...
the thing is, Microsoft as a whole is a very profitable successful company, it's just the Xbox division that's not...
magnumpy
Member
you might be right D:
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
People buy PS/Xbox just for CoD or "FIFA" that are not even exclusives. I am sure there are more exclusive BC games that are too badly emulated or not emulated yet that can be played on Xbox Series.
Your taste is not universal. I could not care less for both Halo 5 and DS Remake.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
I'm not surprised that European retailers are taking Xbox consoles and games off the shelves. Not only do Xbox consoles sell poorly compared to Switch and PS5, but Xbox owners are far less likely to buy physical games because of gamepass. This is a trend that will accelerate the demise of the Xbox brand in Europe. When European gamers see less and less Xbox games in local stores, they see it as a sign that Xbox is dying and that it's better to buy a PS5 or Switch.
The only way to revert this trend is when Xbox owners suddenly start buying more physical games so retail chains have an incentive to stock Xbox games. But that's obviously never going to happen. Xbox as a retail brand is dead in Europe.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
How is it Phil's fault? Todd Howard was the lead on it. He dropped the ball, but he doesn't even seem to realize it. I.e. he thinks it was successful and will probably make the same awful choices when designing TES6.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
While I am sure this has an impact, I am not sure that it is as huge as you are suggesting. Who really goes to stores to buy games these days?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is very easy to explain without all the convoluted mental gymnastics. Literally business 101.
Are we ready?
The more consoles you sell, the more potential for software sales and MTX spend.
The more consoles you sell, the more potential for subscription service spend.
It really is that simple. No matter the bullshittery 101 from those failing to do so, send into the fantard ether.
Yes, engagement is also an important metric for potential MTX/DLC spend, not the sole metric. Engagement growth still heavily relies on more console and software sales, since they go hand-in-hand with the potential to have a larger pool to get engaged.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The point is that any European gamer or parent who's on the fence about buying a games console and visits retail store to check out both the Xbox and PS will immediately notice a huge difference in popularity between both consoles. When half of an aisle is filled with nothing but PS consoles, accessories and games and the Xbox section consists of just a few meager shelves, nobody is going to buy Xbox anymore because it's perfectly clear that brand is in trouble.
And there are plenty of people who visit stores to check out the games section even if they rarely buy a physical game because it's cheaper to buy online. I used to be one of them.
