If the VRAM problems are a real thing with new games, frankly the deserving targets of blame are people high up in the management divisions of GPU manufacturering companies... especially $1000-for-decent-VRAM-amounts-Nvidia. $700, top of the line 780Tis being forbidden from having 6 GB models... great move you pile of cheap, greedy dirtbags. Oh, and awesome news, the new 980 is a whopping 5% faster and almost as expensive, but if you want that extra GB of VRAM, better pay up. Disgusting.
Evil Within System & Hard Disk Requirements (PC/Consoles), strongly suggests 4GB VRAM
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Crimsonclaw111
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They somehow broke the engine to 30fps.
While GPU manufacturers certainly could up the ante of RAM, this is more of a case of poor optimization and a shitty engine with proven failures when it comes to memory and textures.
Not fair at all, the GTX 970 is one of the better values you could find on a card for the last few years. It's an amazing card with 4GB VRAM (probably with custom 8GB models next year) for $330.
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So they had the extra manpower and time to make it run well yet still failed?
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Tell us how you really feel. I blame AMD.
What? Why would that be?
s_mirage
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I wonder if we have a Deus Ex: Invisible War situation going on: they took an existing engine and pretty much broke it through modifications.
AsfaeksBR
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Carmack left the engine kinda broken because it still has the textura-loading problem, but the engine was remarkable because it was Hardware Locked at 60fps.
Tango did undo the 60fps lock, but maybe it was to fix the texture loading problem...
Thanks for the edit Nirolak
So my 2 GB GTX 760 is useless?
Ah well... was planning to get it on PS4 anyways. Hoping that it is a good port on PS4.
Mine is apparently trash too. PS4 version it is for me as well. This fall is going to ruin my wallet without adding in a new video card.
Crimsonclaw111
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2 extra GB of VRAM required to hold 30fps lock.
Well, wasn't it pretty much broken in the first place?
RAGE was the first game to utilize IDTech 5, and even then, it was a failure. After a while, the pop-up was mostly brought under control, but up close, textures still look horrible. Honestly, the sooner this engine gets dropped, the better.
Oh, maybe they broke the engine to go up to 120fps, hate this engine's 60Hz cap.
Valkerionseven
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Sounds like Bethesda is going to continue their trend at least.
Will try to get it to run on my PC. If its a no go, looks like I will be waiting on this one.
Will try to get it to run on my PC. If its a no go, looks like I will be waiting on this one.
Yeah, not fair... To the people with GK110 chips that are actually just as fast if not faster than the 970 and cost a huge premium for no justified reason, yet were quite literally banned by Nvidia from having anything more than 3GBs of VRAM. I stress again, BANNED. I say this as a former 780 owner who is now a 970 owner. Nvidia are just taking an irreverent piss on their consumers (especially SLI people) and people are too caught up in the hype of new stuff to realize it. That 970 is not amazing, more like about bloody fucking time. The last few years have been pretty bad, the 970 being cheaper at the same performance level with some more VRAM on a new architecture does not right any wrongs, this is just long overdue.
I wouldn't be jumping at conclusions yet, even though this sounds potentially worrisome, the game is not yet released, and there's a good chance they're simply talking crap. I'd wait for some independant benchmarks and reports before discrediting the PC version entirely.
Well, I guess I just look at it differently, but fair enough.
Waiting is the hard part. I need this preloaded in my veins.
I kinda think so too, but I'm not into gambling.
Where did you preorder?
robotzombie
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I have the good problem of having had this game gifted to me for my birthday on steam. I was planning on waiting to see what would be better, pc or ps4, but my decision was kind of made for me. It would be pretty crappy for my friend's generosity to lead to a crappy game that I'd have to end up buying for myself on a console anyway...
Ozgameshop, by cancelled I meant I have requested a refund, though I don't think it will be an issue.
I await epic meltdowns on release day if this goes real wrong.
You guys know recommended isn't 'minimum' right? If I wasn't sure I could run this I wouldn't preorder in the fist place, but some of the paranoia in here is just nuts.
Would be cool if they released a demo but apparently publishers think that'll ruin sales nowadays. And it's probably too late if it doesn't already exist.
Would be cool if they released a demo but apparently publishers think that'll ruin sales nowadays. And it's probably too late if it doesn't already exist.
It's using id Tech 5 Megatexture technology. Megatexture requires a lot of Vram if you want to use higher res textures basically.
As explained here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz2m2QLDkT0
You must have missed the recent rapid series of dev posts stating 4gb is basically a required minimum. They do not recommend attempts to run with 2gb.
Yes, but refusing to release minimum reqs is unusual, and makes those of us without top-end systems apprehensive.
Shalashaska161
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Glad I got the PS4 version then. Though I'm sure my 780 3GB would be perfectly fine.
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Some guy from Bethesda is basically saying, in pretty clear wording both on their blog and on this very forum, it probably won't even run with under 4 GB of VRAM, or at least not in a way the developers intended it. Whatever that means.
Windom Earle
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It's funny that the might 780ti has already been degraded to peasant class. XD The 3GB was always bullshit from Nvidia though.
robotzombie
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wait, you can get a refund on steam? The wallet credit wouldn't bug me...
I see... my personal recommendation would be to stick with the PC version. I think there's too much fear-mongering in this thread. The game would have to be insanely broken to be unplayable on a card without 4 GB, and Bethesda would have one hell of an outlash on their hands. If you own a decently powered 2 GB card like a 760 GTX at 1080p, I think at worst, you'll have to turn down some settings a little, but even then, you'll be above console quality. In all honesty, I believe my 780 Ti will have no problems at 1440p.
It would be, not sure what exactly are you glad about.
Playing at 30fps rather than 60? Maybe you enjoy your games to be more cinematic.
robotzombie
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except for the repeated comments insinuating anything under 4gb might be a problem and refusing to mention any minimum specs...
Not exactly... it's still a beast of a card. The only game currently released where you can encounter potential VRAM issues at standard resolutions is Watch Dogs, and its optimization issues are pretty well documented among PC gamers. In other words, as of now, it's an outlier.
Yup, you just click on your ID on the upper right side, go to account details, store transactions and ask for a refund, it's instant.
I have a 680 and I would assume I'd have no problems as well, but them not being specific about what exactly it is that requires 4GB and just saying that the team doesn't recommend it has me worried. Better to just go with PS4 for now and double dip when I have the necessary VRAM for the glorious framerate.
Refreshment.01
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Don't understand the over reactions and the desperation displayed in some cases. Cancelling pre orders or dropping the PC SKU with zero piece of evidence?
Can't you just wait and see how it performs in hardware below these recommended specs? Just in a matter of minutes come release date you'll have your answers. At least it will be interesting to revisit this thread that day XD
Can't you just wait and see how it performs in hardware below these recommended specs? Just in a matter of minutes come release date you'll have your answers. At least it will be interesting to revisit this thread that day XD
I hope for Tango's sake you are right, because this is probably the mentality of a lot of players on the pc that think their 7xx cards are hot shit. Some unholy backlash will occur.
robotzombie
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I guess I can't because the transaction isn't mine since it was a gift, I see no option...
That's fair enough, but I have a very strong feeling we'll see them issue another statement soon, to clarify the situation a little, and give out the minimum specs. As of now, the Internet is starting to believe the game can't be played without 4 GBs of VRAM, and that could be rather damaging for them... for example, they just lost one PC sale from you.
Windom Earle
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Of course it's an awesome card, but the recent trend of exploding VRAM requirements is most likely to stay. It's just a stupid thing to be bottle-necked on. Thanks Nvidia.