IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
Only this!!??? OMG! the game have a lot more bugs!
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Only this!!??? OMG! the game have a lot more bugs!
it's not a "proper" patch, it's a quick fix for the progression reset which has been hitting basically every xbone player.
they needed to push it out to save their customers,basically
PS4 and PC have way less resets apparently.
Directly from the devs mouth:
First, main takeaway.
Wraith's female? Cool.
Followed by....
30% nerf to railgun, oof. But the Cabot in my group has killed several monsters through walls, so maybe....
The arc mine nerf, being able to blow them up easily, seems like a huge huge nerf paired with the damage cut. My buddy's been straying towards Hyde a bit, anyways, since he's so good versus Wraith, but this might speed him along.
Caira speed nerf isn't huge for how I use it, but it'll definitely help the Monsters. The Val buff doesn't really seem to help keep her alive, though, which makes me feel ambivalent.
Wraith's female? Cool.
Followed by....
30% nerf to railgun, oof. But the Cabot in my group has killed several monsters through walls, so maybe....
The arc mine nerf, being able to blow them up easily, seems like a huge huge nerf paired with the damage cut. My buddy's been straying towards Hyde a bit, anyways, since he's so good versus Wraith, but this might speed him along.
Caira speed nerf isn't huge for how I use it, but it'll definitely help the Monsters. The Val buff doesn't really seem to help keep her alive, though, which makes me feel ambivalent.
grandwizard
Member
Wtf? they were already taking way too long to get down in battle and felt like a huge waste of time compared to just doing damage.
Revolutionary
Member
I find it odd that they didn't touch Wraith's Decoy damage output. At level 3 it can solo elite wildlife lol
Tabasco
Member
I agree.
I felt like her harpoon traps were almost useless since they're pretty bad at detecting the monster and activating.
They should have buffed the distance required for the traps to activate at least.
Also, Griffin's harpoon gun needs a buff as well. It's way too easy for the monster to break free from it, and it might need a distance buff.
None of this is set in stone, this is what we'll see in the livestream and the devs are open for talks
grandwizard
Member
I see. I kind of wish they'd have a Maggie without Daisy as I don't rely on her much anymore but would rather have another ability in that slot. As it is I think the harpoon traps are kind of weak for being her only real ability.
Maybe if Daisy would be more useful if she did more damage in fights or could revive faster.
Wow, that looks like it'll basically gut Markov. They smacked mines hard.
My main issue with Wraith has always been on Decoy, so I'm surprised they didn't do much about that. Instead they hit Supernova...eh. I'll see how it pans out I guess, but I didn't expect that. I still expect Wraith rage because, seriously, Decoy is stupid powerful.
My main issue with Wraith has always been on Decoy, so I'm surprised they didn't do much about that. Instead they hit Supernova...eh. I'll see how it pans out I guess, but I didn't expect that. I still expect Wraith rage because, seriously, Decoy is stupid powerful.
I agree they are nerfing the wrong thing. Supernova is fine because that is supposed to be the damage dealer. Is the current state stage 3 decoy seems to do more damage when it's a damn DECOY.
Decoy is only good against newer players while doing barely anything against more experienced players. You can literally just dash over it and it's AI can't deal with it.
This has been said by the devs too, they never want to do an AI based ability again because it is only ever strong against new players and fails entirely against experienced players.
Decoy as damage is basically a none issue.
Revolutionary
Member
Right... I seem to remember someone here posting a video of a level 3 decoy nearly killing everyone from full health while they were defending an indoor relay.
Non-issue my ass. I'll be on the stream to spam "nerf decoy damage" later.
Is there a way to just play the monster alone with no hunters around to practice?
It's rough learning the monster in single player as the hunters destroy me as I'm experimenting then I have to sit through like 5 minutes of progress screens and level loads to get back.
It's rough learning the monster in single player as the hunters destroy me as I'm experimenting then I have to sit through like 5 minutes of progress screens and level loads to get back.
That was me.
And yeah, I don't think it's something that just works on new people. You can smartly use the damage to your advantage, like on places like Aviary. Wait out by those small tunnels, smell them coming, decoy and watch it wreck them. It's such a safe move. Like you said, it also allows the hunting stage to be ridiculous for her as she can (safely) solo an elite monster for something like a damage bonus really early on.
I fully expect Decoy damage to get nerfed eventually. This type of shit should only happen when she supernova -> decoys as it uses her precious supernova timer.
You can replay the tutorial and ignore the objectives if you want to focus on movement and stuff. That only works for goliath though.
The other dumb thing about decoy is that it just pisses players off and makes them not like the game due to the fact that it's called "Decoy" and fucking them up. The very connotation of the word makes it feel like doing damage is wrong.
I was hoping for something creative, like making the Decoy like moulting its skin and make it require / use some armor to "cast". Then I'd be okay that it does damage since it'd be like spawning a minion at a cost.
I was hoping for something creative, like making the Decoy like moulting its skin and make it require / use some armor to "cast". Then I'd be okay that it does damage since it'd be like spawning a minion at a cost.
Well we got the stream in a bit, let's see what they have to say/show.
Who knows, maybe they got some actual gameplay changes lined up too.
Garrett Hawke
Member
It seems like it would balance things a bit because atm I feel like you can stealth your way to level 3 quite easily on some of the larger maps.
because the bug is fixed that makes reload perk work on personal skills.
Doesn't that make it even worse? Now you have 15 seconds, which is a really long time, on top of the old cooldown, which was already pretty long, plus now you can't even reduce that cooldown with the reload perk.
And I didn't even know the perk was bugged. I thought it was working as intended.
The did say they will have to fix all the numbers on the personal skills.
Again,these are not patch notes. These are the things they are currently testing.
grandwizard
Member
This stream is pretty cool, can really tell these guys have been playing the game over and over for years.
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
I like this: Bucket Guided Missile Launcher Damage increased 11%
And hank they don't touch nothing right?
Another thing they have to change is the orbital strike with hank versus the ai of the monster.The monster knows when you are launching the orbital strike before you are even launching.The monster moves before the orbital strike falls down.So basically the orbital strike against the monster in evacuation is useless.They have to change that.
And hank they don't touch nothing right?
Great because i only use hunk and bucket they are my primary characters.Lazarus the second one,markov the third and abe the final.
Another thing they have to change is the orbital strike with hank versus the ai of the monster.The monster knows when you are launching the orbital strike before you are even launching.The monster moves before the orbital strike falls down.So basically the orbital strike against the monster in evacuation is useless.They have to change that.
Yeah, hank is in a great spot apparently
they did patch it today, so that should be it
Revolutionary
Member
Pretty good and informative stream, I'd love to see more like it from any dev.
That said, I'd still like to see a damage nerf to the decoy. They talked about correct usage being misdirection but never really touched on the damage output. Hell, they even showed a lvl 1 decoy taking out a mammoth bird in 1 hit, and the ACTUAL wraith taking 3 hits to kill another one.
Being able to shoot the wraith out of cloak is a welcome change that I can see helping a lot of hunters, though.
That said, I'd still like to see a damage nerf to the decoy. They talked about correct usage being misdirection but never really touched on the damage output. Hell, they even showed a lvl 1 decoy taking out a mammoth bird in 1 hit, and the ACTUAL wraith taking 3 hits to kill another one.
Being able to shoot the wraith out of cloak is a welcome change that I can see helping a lot of hunters, though.
Yep, exactly. If they don't nerf it in the upcoming balance patch, then I expect them to sometime down the line.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
Hyde got a pretty decent buff.
And Griffin's Spikes are better now and not easily countered by mud monsters.
What was Val's Tranq duration on non-Wraith monsters before anyway?
And Griffin's Spikes are better now and not easily countered by mud monsters.
What was Val's Tranq duration on non-Wraith monsters before anyway?
I thought it was 3 or 4 seconds. If I'm right that's a hefty buff.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Maggie and Cabot nerfed
It was 5 seconds on Wraith and 8 seconds on Kraken and Goliath.
It is now 10 seconds on all of them.
I think it' be a good idea to remove the Hunter health bars and names from the Monsters perspective, it makes it far to easy to focus damage on Trappers or Medics to get out of sticky situations and just focusing damage on players with low health. I'm sure it'd make it more risky getting into fights as the Monster if you had no idea how the Hunters are holding up.
nobodyshero
Banned
man, the PS4 has some serious matchmaking issues when I'm in a party with a friend. there's no way it should take this long to find a full match.
Garrett Hawke
Member
imo it seems like the offline AI trapper is useless
Half the time they don't even throw up the mobile arena. Really dumb.
Half the time they don't even throw up the mobile arena. Really dumb.
icecold1983
Member
is anyone else unable to play online? its just endlessly searching for players here.
I play with friends and we're 4 guys so a full party
william_557
Member
Steam id: william_557 Currently my mic is playing up but i can still here chat
Update: mics working although i'm still getting used to the game
IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
With the new update in the xbox one they fixed the problem with the shadows in some maps but they fixed the problem turning off the flashlight so in the night maps is hard to see in some areas :/
wait, they removed the flashlight???