Ex-Obsidian co-founder says Jez Cordan and Klobrille are "pathetic shills."

What is wrong with the reporting on Avowed? I want to understand your point. No one had yet explained it in this thread. I can't agree with something I dont even know.

No one's answered because you're moving the goalposts.

Avellone called Jez out for glazing games and specifically named Avowed. Jez's response was to outright lie and say he had never played or covered Avowed. To which Avellone brought receipts.

And now you're deflecting from the lie by trying to change the topic to "what about the reporting?"

The reporting isn't the issue. It's the LYING. Which proves Avellone's point that people like Jez are mouthpieces who lie as easily as fish swim and forget what they've said from one moment to the next.
 
Social media mouth-pieces have little to no bearing on these corporate decisions.

Not sure what good tagging individuals does in the same breath as wishing those who get laid off today well. Just comes off very petty on Avelone's behalf 🤷‍♂️

Oh to be myopic.

What is wrong with the reporting on Avowed? I want to understand your point. No one had yet explained it in this thread. I can't agree with something I dont even know.

Multiple people have explained it to you throughout this thread, you're just choosing to ignore it because your default settings are to side with Jez, just as you did in the Laura Fryer thread.
 
"For the record, and as a showcase of their integrity, both were staunch supporters of various Xbox titles that were clearly in trouble, but then did everything they could to spin and bury any trace of bad news (one example: Avowed)"

But it was a fine game 🤷‍♂️

When Chris worked on it it was online coop no? Thank god for "troubled" development if it means steering the boat away from GAAS.
 
No one's answered because you're moving the goalposts.

Avellone called Jez out for glazing games and specifically named Avowed. Jez's response was to outright lie and say he had never played or covered Avowed. To which Avellone brought receipts.

And now you're deflecting from the lie by trying to change the topic to "what about the reporting?"

The reporting isn't the issue. It's the LYING. Which proves Avellone's point that people like Jez are mouthpieces who lie as easily as fish swim and forget what they've said from one moment to the next.
He didn't really glaze Avowed though. So why would that even be brought up? Avowed was rebooted and the final product is great.

Is Jez a shill? Of course. I am shocked anyone even bothers to check anything he says. I only hear about him here.
 
But it was a fine game 🤷‍♂️

When Chris worked on it it was online coop no? Thank god for "troubled" development if it means steering the boat away from GAAS.

He never worked on it.

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Jez:
  • "I've never played Avowed"

Also Jez:
  • "Now, there's Avowed. I've got a small update on this project making its way to Xbox, and details on why I'm more excited for it than ever."
  • "I am a huge Pillars of Eternity fan and seeing stills of Avowed's early builds filled me with a ton of excitement."
  • "Avowed looks like it plays extremely well, with refined action RPG combat set in a vibrant, medieval fantasy world I cannot wait to explore."
  • "Avowed went from relative obscurity in my list of most anticipated Xbox games to sitting near the top."
 
Thats fine. Jez is wrong about lots of shit. Just the other day he was retarding over the Laura Fry person working on Xbone. I genuinely don't know why anyone follows him. What I'm interested in is this reaction from Avellone which I still don't understand.
Oh. Avellone, like a lot of people accused of misconduct around that time, was persecuted in the press. Guilty until proven innocent type of situations. I'm sure he feels strongly when people who purport to be fair members of the press are obviously shitty at their jobs.
 
Multiple people have explained it to you throughout this thread, you're just choosing to ignore it because your default settings are to side with Jez, just as you did in the Laura Fryer thread.
I asked you a super simple question since you responded to me. You can't answer it. So I really still have no clue what Avellone is talking about as far as glazing Avowed. I dont agree with random shit if people can't even explain it on any level, even if its Avellone. What is he even talking about? What glazing of Avowed?
 
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Jez:
  • "I've never played Avowed"

Also Jez:
  • "Now, there's Avowed. I've got a small update on this project making its way to Xbox, and details on why I'm more excited for it than ever."
  • "I am a huge Pillars of Eternity fan and seeing stills of Avowed's early builds filled me with a ton of excitement."
  • "Avowed looks like it plays extremely well, with refined action RPG combat set in a vibrant, medieval fantasy world I cannot wait to explore."
  • "Avowed went from relative obscurity in my list of most anticipated Xbox games to sitting near the top."
Well that's correct, he never played it.
 
I'm not really following his point here. Of course Jez Cordan is a shill, but how is reporting positively on obsidian's game bad for obsidian? it seems like he was trying to help.
He's calling him a shill because he didn't report on the issues in the studios and tried to make it seem like everything was great.
 
What part of that article is glazing Avowed to such an extent that Avellone wants to beef with a retard 4 years later? What is the glazing? Its a boring normal article on an obscure Xbox site no one reads.

I think I understand now. It's not "glazing" to you because it's very much in line with how you communicate regarding all things Xbox.
 
I think I understand now. It's not "glazing" to you because it's very much in line with how you communicate regarding all things Xbox.
I'm really just looking for you to complete one simple sentence and not link me tweets. What is the worst part of the article to you?
 
I'm really just looking for you to complete one simple sentence and not link me tweets. What is the worst part of the article to you?

I think you're missing the forest from the trees here.

Avellone mentioned Avowed, but that's not what the call out was about. It was about Jez and others acting as unpaid propaganda machines for the Microsoft/Xbox brand, with Chris believing that Jez and others knew a lot of shitty things happening behind the scenes but chose to ignore them/bury them in the name of brand loyalty/fanboyism.


The fact that Jez was pretending he was super hyped about Avowed and that it was "at the top" of his must-play list, and then didn't even bother playing it when it came out, really tells you all you need to know.
 
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All of it.

But like I said, I can see why you find Jez's "work" inspirational.
Nothing lol. Again.

He's calling him a shill because he didn't report on the issues in the studios and tried to make it seem like everything was great.
Jez probably knew nothing about it. This is when everyone heard about it unless they are an insider like Avellone.


Obsidian came out and publicly acknowledged the reboot after Schreiber reported on it 4 years after that Jez article.
 
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I think you're missing the forest from the trees here.

Avellone mentioned Avowed, but that's not what the call out was about. It was about Jez and others acting as unpaid propaganda machines for the Microsoft/Xbox brand, with Chris believing that Jez and others knew a lot of shitty things happening behind the scenes but chose to ignore them/bury them in the name of brand loyalty/fanboyism.
He knows. Just his typical gaslight circle jerk, in the form of a question.
 
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I think you're missing the forest from the trees here.

Avellone mentioned Avowed, but that's not what the call out was about. It was about Jez and others acting as unpaid propaganda machines for the Microsoft/Xbox brand, with Chris believing that Jez and others knew a lot of shitty things happening behind the scenes but chose to ignore them/bury them in the name of brand loyalty/fanboyism.


The fact that Jez was pretending he was super hyped about Avowed and that it was "at the top" of his must-play list, and then didn't even bother playing it when it came out, really tells you all you need to know.
Jez is a joke and all these sites are a joke. I am shocked any GAF posters follow these people and hang on their words. I am absolutely in disbelief that someone like Avellone is actually even wasting time arguing with any of these people. And to make it even stranger, Avowed didn't even turn out bad? MS allowed them to reboot it and its a good game so I have no clue why its even being discussed.
 
Personally I don't have a problem with Jez. I used to listen to Xbox Two podcast and usually his takes were fine. However I stopped listening because of Rand. He's annoying and so is Klobrille.
 
He also blocks anyone who even mildly disagrees with him. Just get off the internet if you can't handle the heat.
Precisely. He lacks the ability to disengage in an adult manner. This would be funny if he was 8 years old or a Chad Warden-esque self-aware troll.

But he seems like an adult with adult responsibilities, and I don't know how to say this differently but to shill the way he shills is a baaaaaaaaad sign of his overall mental faculties.
 
Jez is a joke and all these sites are a joke. I am shocked any GAF posters follow these people and hang on their words. I am absolutely in disbelief that someone like Avellone is actually even wasting time arguing with any of these people. And to make it even stranger, Avowed didn't even turn out bad? MS allowed them to reboot it and its a good game so I have no clue why its even being discussed.

Jez is a joke, yes, but he's a joke that somehow manages to have a lot of weight around the games media industry. He gets tons of engagement on social media, guests on all kinds of big gaming podcasts, DOES have some inside information in regards to leaks and hardware and games and such, and is the lead writer on a very popular tech/gaming website.


I've been annoyed with the guy for years. I don't know that I've seen anyone in the gaming sphere fall upwards more than Jez Corden.
 
Jez probably knew nothing about it. This is when everyone heard about it unless they are an insider like Avellone.

Bullshit. While everyone else was writing articles like this at the time:

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Mr Jez Corden decides it's time to write this:

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Bullshit. While everyone else was writing articles like this at the time:

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Mr Jez Corden decides it's time to write this:

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I've literally never heard of the gameworldobserver. Kudos to them. Both things are true. They lost staff, they rebooted it, and it did turn out to be a good game.

So Avellone has held a 4 year grudge over someone not covering his tweets? I think I do get it now. Kinda pathetic to be honest but it slightly makes sense.
 
So Avellone has held a 4 year grudge over someone not covering his tweets? I think I do get it now. Kinda pathetic to be honest but it slightly makes sense.

It's like you're not getting it.

Avellone is highlighting his lack of integrity as a "journalist".

His job is to report on both sides of the news cycle for the sector/industry he covers, both good and bad. But instead, because he's a compromised lying mole rat, he will avoid reporting on negative news regarding Xbox/Microsoft and will only report if it's positive, or only report if he can somehow twist and spin whatever it is in to being a positive.
 
It's like you're not getting it.

Avellone is highlighting his lack of integrity as a "journalist".

His job is to report on both sides of the news cycle for the sector/industry he covers, both good and bad. But instead, because he's a compromised lying mole rat, he will avoid reporting on negative news regarding Xbox/Microsoft and will only report if it's positive, or only report if he can somehow twist and spin whatever it is in to being a positive.
Everyone knows that. Its Windows Central. I am shocked anyone cares to even point that out. Its literally an Xbox fan site. Its like Miyamoto getting really worked up that Nintendo World Report likes Mario. I am blown away that someone like Avellone cares about this. Maybe its just me on this one. Thanks for finally explaining it. Literally all I asked for.
 
He never worked on it.

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Right, he had already left 2016 I forgot. He seems to hate on Chris Parker after having worked with him for nearly half a dozen games, including when he directed Alpha Protocol. He seems a tad bitter to be honest. In professional world, especially a small world, you don't throw ex-colleagues under the bus, nor drag a previous company you worked for on the coals with what you think the decisions they are taking you would not have done the same... But just my personal opinion as someone who has also left a company to work for the competition. So Avowed was troubled early, Obsidian took Chris Parker out of Avowed and the other director, Pattel, changed direction. Troubled sure, but that's a pivot to save something rather than outright cancel. I've no idea if Heinz beans lover Jez covered it, to be honest, I don't care that there's receipts that make Jez look bad, but again, why is Avellone bringing up Avowed today when none of the announcements seem to have touched the studio?

Today, as far as we can tell, nothing was about Obsidian. Weird timing on Chris' part tbh.
 
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corporate decisions get obfuscated, damage controlled, and spun by these social media parasites.

Ok but I said social media mouth pieces have no bearing on corporate decisions, if they did, Jizz would have single handedly kept the studio afloat with his positive 'damage control' articles, no?

That's my point.
 
He seems a tad bitter to be honest. In professional world, especially a small world, you don't throw ex-colleagues under the bus, nor drag a previous company you worked for on the coals with what you think the decisions they are taking you would not have done the same...

There's more info/insight here:

I didn't get anything when I left Obsidian. There were no share payouts, no equity, and this was in addition to the other logistical problems around the departure – the sudden cancellation of my health insurance, problems with my 401K, errors in Obsidian's accounting, and several existing independent contracts they refused to uphold.

Realizing my family issues and the debts therein, however, they did make an attempt to leverage that into a far more confining separation agreement that would remove my right to work on RPGs, and my silence on all issues that could pertain to Obsidian or any other company they were involved with or the CEO had a % in (Fig, Zero Radius, Dark Rock Industries, etc.). This included an inability to critique games I'd worked on – much of my critiques on my own games tend to be blunt, and not being able to speak to them felt unnatural to me.

The company involvement silence worried me more, however, as it meant that if anything illegal happened with any of those companies (these could include serious charges like accounting issues, silence on harassment issues with regards to employees, perjury related to company documents and payments), I couldn't speak about the issue, even if I felt strongly against what was being revealed.

While all this is good for Obsidian's upper management and is what is sometimes considered "good business," I did feel it showed a lack of ethics.

Still, that attempt at leverage did cause me to re-evaluate aspects of my life. Realizing debt was affecting my decision, I instead focused on working as hard as possible to make up for the amount Obsidian tried to use as leverage to force a signature – and succeeded.

When that happened, I realized I was free of the situation – completely free, for the first time. Feargus and the owners had no hold on my voice, my time, and my creativity any longer. And it was great.

When they made me an offer to contract me to write for Tyranny (which might seem to be an olive branch, but it turned out to be something they needed for contractual reasons with Paradox, but no one had ever communicated it to me), these were the reasons I refused – I didn't wish to be part of Obsidian's upper level development process and their pipelines any longer, as these processes were coming from a bad place, and it showed.

Also, realizing there was no restitution for the issues mentioned, I made a promise to myself that nothing I would do would ever cause Feargus and the owners any further financial gain. If my silence was that important to them, then there's no need to be silent because that right hadn't been signed away. Simply put, I like the developers at Obsidian very much, I work and correspond with many of those who are there or have left, and I would work with the developers again. I do feel upper management at Obsidian has serious flaws that need to be addressed, and I stand by that statement.


Then when you pair that with the "sexual harassment" situation that he found himself in and said former colleagues failed to back him (and even attempted to distance and throw him under the bus in some cases), the gloves are off.

I can't blame the guy honestly, and it's good that we get the unfiltered insights that we do from him.
 
What's wrong with Avellone guys?

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Explain why.
He just hate everything that is Microsoft. It started with Obsidian, he's like that since he was let go and then this was transposed to Microsoft at the time of the takeover. Honestly I stopped caring a wile ago despite having a lot of respect for the guy and what he created.

You can find some context here (6 pages):


This tweet for example is 7 years old lol:



Even here on Neogaf, I'm sure searching for his name will make some threads pop up with him ranting about Xbox/Microsoft/Obsidian.

Edit: and as I said Jez Cordan and Klobrille are no better. Totally chills, no doubt about that. But I think we all know this.
 
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There's more info/insight here:




Then when you pair that with the "sexual harassment" situation that he found himself in and said former colleagues failed to back him (and even attempted to distance and throw him under the bus in some cases), the gloves are off.

I can't blame the guy honestly, and it's good that we get the unfiltered insights that we do from him.
There's no doubt he got screwed. He has every right to be bitter. But he is definitely still bitter; much more than any normal impartial dev speaking publicly.
 
Ok but I said social media mouth pieces have no bearing on corporate decisions, if they did, Jizz would have single handedly kept the studio afloat with his positive 'damage control' articles, no?

That's my point.
and what I am saying is that your point is wrong, but the opposite is true. These shills are paid to massage the PR for these companies. Their job is to make the future look bright. When in reality it is garbage. It's a PR/Marketing thing.
 
Phile "The Flunky" Spencer has run Xbox into the ground. All he did is spend Daddy Satya's money and give him handies under the table. The brand has been going straight downhill since XB1.
 
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