Ex-Obsidian co-founder says Jez Cordan and Klobrille are "pathetic shills."

bender said:
I, too, am a little surprised that Avellone didn't call out adamsapple adamsapple .
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He knows his arms are too short to box with god. 🙏

ChorizoPicozo said:
and what I am saying is that your point is wrong, but the opposite is true. These shills are paid to massage the PR for these companies. Their job is to make the future look bright. When in reality it is garbage. It's a PR/Marketing thing.
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Your point doesn't contradict what I said in any way tho. Both points are right.
 
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My sources are telling me Klobrille is planning to respond by making the biggest collage of multiplatform game logos you've ever seen.
 
analog_future said:
Jez is a joke, yes, but he's a joke that somehow manages to have a lot of weight around the games media industry. He gets tons of engagement on social media, guests on all kinds of big gaming podcasts, DOES have some inside information in regards to leaks and hardware and games and such, and is the lead writer on a very popular tech/gaming website.


I've been annoyed with the guy for years. I don't know that I've seen anyone in the gaming sphere fall upwards more than Jez Corden.
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analog_future said:
Jez is a joke, yes, but he's a joke that somehow manages to have a lot of weight around the games media industry. He gets tons of engagement on social media, guests on all kinds of big gaming podcasts, DOES have some inside information in regards to leaks and hardware and games and such, and is the lead writer on a very popular tech/gaming website.


I've been annoyed with the guy for years. I don't know that I've seen anyone in the gaming sphere fall upwards more than Jez Corden.
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ChorizoPicozo said:
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adamsapple said:
Your point doesn't contradict what I said in any way tho. Both points are right.
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Your point was an answer to this:
GHG said:
All of this isn't happening just because of today. It's happening because of a long list of things that have been allowed to fester over the last decade, and the likes of Klobrille and Jez are complicit in all of that.
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which was a reply to this:
adamsapple said:
I don't even know why he tagged klobrille lol, that dude didn't even do any mouth-piecing today, his tweet was actually pretty decent.
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so, you argue this:
adamsapple said:
I said social media mouth pieces have no bearing on corporate decisions,
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But that is not even the argument.

The argument is that these shills have turned Xbox discourse and analysis into a shallow, brain-dead echo chamber. By appeasing the Xbox community, any pushback and criticism was pinned as "doom and gloom" or just "hate." "Xbox tax," "industry bias," and all that bullshit. At best, it gave Xbox time to get their shit together; at worst (which is this scenario), it gave a false sense of hope for the "bright future" that never came and will never arrive. Which then (one could argue) gave leeway to retarded business decisions, aka Game Pass. So it's like an ouroboros human centipede.

Without these shills, Game Pass wouldn't have been pushed this hard. Now Xbox and Phil are fucked because its the only good brand they have.
 
"remoras on the underbelly of..." is a cool phrase I'll have to use. Somehow I visualized what it was in my head but without the "underbelly" part I would not know what a remora was
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
so, you argue this:

But that is not even the argument.
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Ok, but you're furthering an argument that I'm not even making here. You don't need to quote me to make your argument, it's unrelated to my posts.

After GHG's post to me, I've talked about something else entirely. You're right about your points, but I'm also right in the sense that none of these mouth piece articles eventually ended up stopping the studio closure(s).
 
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I would love it if Chris Avellone made a huge comeback, the man is a legend. He has all right to be bitter after the shit he's gone through. The industry needs people who don't toe the company line. Nothing but respect for the man.

Not sure about the proposed partnership with that Quantic Dreams writer, but I hope it bears fruit. 🤞
 
They are just lame fanboys that blog, they would have no power or relevance or *presence* if we just ignored them. Maybe we should?
 
CLW said:
Yeah but How's Colt doing?
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I've seen one shill speak real tho, the loud Gaz guy. Said he would raise so much hell because of Perfect Dark that his grandkids wouldn't be allowed to use Microsoft Office heh

In the end that's all that's needed. Proper reactions. Anger. Widespread social media roasting until it spread the real news media and stock owners.
Somehow the top needs to learn that there are consequences to all this. Once the lead people leave because they're angry over the cut jobs it'll be over for their whole gaming division. A studio is nothing if the talent and experienced directors leave. Could just as well let AI make the games at that point, it'll just be schizophrenic nonsense either way.
 
For the record, and as a showcase of their integrity, both were staunch supporters of various Xbox titles that were clearly in trouble, but then did everything they could to spin and bury any trace of bad news (one example: Avowed).
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Yeah, the people who made New Vegas and KOTOR 2 are long gone from Obsidian. There are a surprising number of people who have a hard time letting that sink it. I could care less about the politics around the game, but Avowed wasn't a good game. People were lowering the bar because it was free on gamepass and saying the combat was good, but without any kind of sandbox it's not really worth playing.
 
There's something especially sad about klobrille. I think it's that Xbox fans look up to him. He got where he is, wherever that is, just by being a hugely engaged fanboy that ms took advantage of.
 
There's no point, no matter how funny it is, to try and engage these goofs or make them see the light…..they're all in wayyyyyyy too deep and will be back to their usual bullshit in no time. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Jez corden, klobrille, destin, and colteastwood are some of the most obnoxious people to ever shill for a company ever. Jez in particular pretends to have sources when in reality he's a lying bootlicking shill with no integrity, and he's willing to lie and spin things to make xbox look good just so he can get access to exclusive xbox insider cringe shit constantly.
 
Buggy Loop said:
Right, he had already left 2016 I forgot. He seems to hate on Chris Parker after having worked with him for nearly half a dozen games, including when he directed Alpha Protocol. He seems a tad bitter to be honest. In professional world, especially a small world, you don't throw ex-colleagues under the bus, nor drag a previous company you worked for on the coals with what you think the decisions they are taking you would not have done the same... But just my personal opinion as someone who has also left a company to work for the competition. So Avowed was troubled early, Obsidian took Chris Parker out of Avowed and the other director, Pattel, changed direction. Troubled sure, but that's a pivot to save something rather than outright cancel. I've no idea if Heinz beans lover Jez covered it, to be honest, I don't care that there's receipts that make Jez look bad, but again, why is Avellone bringing up Avowed today when none of the announcements seem to have touched the studio?

Today, as far as we can tell, nothing was about Obsidian. Weird timing on Chris' part tbh.
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Lol no. They royally screwed him, fuck obsidian.
 
adamsapple said:
I guess I don't see it that way. No amount of Windows Central articles were going to change Initiative's fate after years and years of nothing to show at a point. 🤷‍♂️
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Agreed.

The lay-offs are absolutely gutting for sure.

But after at least 6 years of announcing your game, and literally showing nothing since other than a small slice of "game play" which is all rumored to be smoke and mirrors now is exactly the reason gets shut down.
Regardless of how you feel about MS or xbox, shutting down a studio that has not put out a product in 6 years after an an announcement for a "AAA- AAAA" studio is exactly the correct financial move. This is after how many years of creative/liberty Xbox has given a studio like this. If anyone deserves to not have a job, it should be the managment from those studios.hope they land a job doing actual work and not whatever the fuck they were doing as management at the initiative. Hopefully those affected land on their feet.

Regardless on how you feel about Avowed or Outerworlds 2 quality, etc, Obsidian is pumping out two mid to large RPG/non live service games in a single year, that's actually fantastic output for a studio that use to release a game every few years. If Xbox is indeed transitioning to a 3rd party studio, then that's the kind of output they need, and not the show nothing for 6 years approach.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
The argument is that these shills have turned Xbox discourse and analysis into a shallow, brain-dead echo chamber. By appeasing the Xbox community, any pushback and criticism was pinned as "doom and gloom" or just "hate." "Xbox tax," "industry bias," and all that bullshit. At best, it gave Xbox time to get their shit together; at worst (which is this scenario), it gave a false sense of hope for the "bright future" that never came and will never arrive. Which then (one could argue) gave leeway to retarded business decisions, aka Game Pass. So it's like an ouroboros human centipede.

Without these shills, Game Pass wouldn't have been pushed this hard. Now Xbox and Phil are fucked because its the only good brand they have.
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Brother where do you think we are?
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on a serious note:

I've always thought of myself as an avid gamer and what not, but i for the life if me, could never give a shit what some of these randoms on twitter have ever said- Rumor, podcast or what not. How have so many you lot say you hate these people and their "propaganda" yet continue to give them the attention these guys crave. Like, if you just ignored these weirdos, regardless of the which aisle they stand on they would they just be some rado on twitter yelling into the void.

maybe its cause I've never used twitter ever?
 
Not_A-Cop_Maybe said:
Brother where do you think we are?

on a serious note:

I've always thought of myself as an avid gamer and what not, but i for the life if me, could never give a shit what some of these randoms on twitter have ever said- Rumor, podcast or what not. How have so many you lot say you hate these people and their "propaganda" yet continue to give them the attention these guys crave. Like, if you just ignored these weirdos, regardless of the which aisle they stand on they would they just be some rado on twitter yelling into the void.

maybe its cause I've never used twitter ever?
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🤔 how can i put this?

gaming discourse has evolve over the years, right?

im not sure that back in the 90's or early 2000's "gamers" where than savvy around PR and Marketing or even about gaming business , but these topics started to become way more prevalent relatively recently.

so, in the context of PR/Marketing just as in any other context like hardware, gameplay, reviews.. etcetera. this is part of the gaming discourse nowadays, specially when social media like Twitter or YT have become so critical in the way companies shape their narrative.

you are right, about not having Twitter makes you completely out of touch regarding how things currently operate.


Just for you to be aware of things: these "randoms" are not really randoms. they have direct connection with these companies and even direct access to these executives.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
🤔 how can i put this?

gaming discourse has evolve over the years, right?

im not sure that back in the 90's or early 2000's "gamers" where than savvy around PR and Marketing or even about gaming business , but these topics started to become way more prevalent relatively recently.

so, in the context of PR/Marketing just as in any other context like hardware, gameplay, reviews.. etcetera. this is part of the gaming discourse nowadays, specially when social media like Twitter or YT have become so critical in the way companies shape their narrative.

you are right, about not having Twitter makes you completely out of touch regarding how things currently operate.


Just for you to be aware of things: these "randoms" are not really randoms. they have direct connection with these companies and even direct access to these executives.
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Sure - i get your point about the PR world and that in context sure. I mean I spend enough time here and on various other forums to get info, but never once have i ever cared or put much into what is a modern day version of a "a friend of a friend of mine told me" Like unless it came from the direct source, shouldn't you question the veracity of that source/person? - What I'm trying to say, is do we really classify someone like Jez Corden as a journalist to put that much stock into things? Like just cause he got a picture with Sarah Bond, does that make him a know all about everything xbox?

But like others here have echoed- Yeah sure he's a shill by all appearances, so why are/have any of us continued to listen to him.

edit: i guess he does write articles, so i guess maybe journalist does apply.
 
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Not_A-Cop_Maybe said:
Sure - i get your point about the PR world and that in context sure. I mean I spend enough time here and on various other forums to get info, but never once have i ever cared or put much into what is a modern day version of a "a friend of a friend of mine told me" Like unless it came from the direct source, shouldn't you question the veracity of that source/person? - What I'm trying to say, is do we really classify someone like Jez Corden as a journalist to put that much stock into things? Like just cause he got a picture with Sarah Bond, does that make him a know all about everything?
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no one sees Jez as a jurno. that's the point, he is a shill which only job is to spin and damage control for Xbox. He sells himself as a pundit, expert and analysts

"ignoring him" will be a win for him because "normies" will trust and believe whatever he says. mocking and ridicule.... exposing these people is just a natural outcome for their lack of integrity and dishonesty
 
GHG said:
He never worked on it.

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Listen, what happened to this dude sucks and his vindication absolutely valid and well deserved. He seems to have landed fine after all that.

But this guy fucking writes like he enjoys the smell of his own farts. Literally not surprised anyone would have not wanted this guy back at Obsidian- if this is how he speaks about his supposed colleagues.
No wonder many were quick to wash their hands of this dude when those allegations dropped and never came back.

You write and talk like this about the people you work with, you can't be shocked that they want nothing to do with you, even after your victory. Like how does this ever get you back at Obsidian, a place where he clearly thinks people should fight for lol.
 
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