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[Intheflorsh]

They've forced the sheriff's hand, now he's going to have to say pretty please.

 

[eu pfhor ia]

They've forced the sheriff's hand, now he's going to have to say pretty please.

Apparently they've already decided the shurruf isn't representing the Weepy People well enough

Oregon occupation leader rejects sheriff's bid to end standoff

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I want to be clear:

They still haven't cut the power.

They still haven't cut the water.

And the only thing that's really actually happened at this point is the Sheriff has tried to escort them out of the state. After five days of occupying a federal facility with guns.

Is that accurate?

 

[Oblivion]

I want to be clear:

They still haven't cut the power.

They still haven't cut the water.

And the only thing that's really actually happened at this point is the Sheriff has tried to escort them out of the state. After five days of occupying a federal facility with guns.

Is that accurate?

They're also apparently free to go into town and buy groceries and supplies without any trouble whatsoever.

 

[commedieu]

--- shame they all aren't locked up..

 

[EdibleKnife]

They're also apparently free to go into town and buy groceries and supplies without any trouble whatsoever.

Why does the sheriff need to put out statements as though he's responding to something serious or anything if this is just a damn camping trip?

 

[Rebel Leader]

They're also apparently free to go into town and buy groceries and supplies without any trouble whatsoever.

This is bullshit

 

[eu pfhor ia]

the whole thing is a farce, even if anyone were inclined to think their "grievances" had any validity. Do they expect a county sheriff to disband the Department of the Interior?

although, given their level of intelligence, they probably do

 

[Chie Satonaka]

They're also apparently free to go into town and buy groceries and supplies without any trouble whatsoever.

I'm trying to figure out exactly how to articulate what I'm feeling about this.

I mean, I'm mad, obviously. But this is like, their deal. Cliven Bundy still isn't in jail. His assets haven't been seized. He's just chilling, having broken the law multiple times without any actual consequences. His shitbag son is following in his footsteps. They're probably going to walk, and I'm going to be even more furious.

 

[Akuun]

They're also apparently free to go into town and buy groceries and supplies without any trouble whatsoever.

So... they're effectively squatting then?

 

[DrForester]

Sheriff actually met with these people...

Even if it was just to tell them to leave that he would allow them to make a press event out of it is sickening.

Here's the story.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-has-first-meeting-armed-oregon-land-occupiers-n492486

The sheriff of the Oregon county where armed anti-government activists have occupied federal land asked the protesters to go home Thursday at their first meeting since the confrontation began.

Circled by an odd grouping of sheriffs from neighboring counties and journalists armed with cameras, Harney County Sheriff David Bundy and Ammon Ward, one of the occupation leaders, chatted briefly and politely at an intersection close to Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which the activists seized Saturday.

"I'm here because the citizens of Harney County have asked me to come out and ask you folks to peacefully leave," Ward said, offering the protesters a "safe escort" out.

But Bundy declined, saying he and his compatriots were "being ignored again."

"The government, in order to be legitimate in these United States, must acknowledge a redress of grievances by citizens," he said.

The two men then shook hands and went their separate ways. The sheriff's office said they planned to meet again Friday.

Authorities said Ward sought the meeting to work out a peaceful resolution to the takeover, not to make any arrests. However, Ward told NBC News on Wednesday that the activists would face federal charges whenever the siege ends.

 

[EatinOlives]

What a complete fuckup. The Sheriff has no fucking clue what he's doing.

 

[killamajig]

Even if the sheriff escorts them out of state does not mean they are free of federal prosecution.

And by letting them drive in and our of town I'm sure the Feds and/or other law enforcement agencies have some license plate numbers, pictures etc.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they have someone on the inside getting info. Feds are good at playing the long game now. Going in locked and loaded isn't in the play book if there isn't a immediate threat nowadays.

My 2 cents

Edit : After seeing they had a guy in there that took the donation money to get drunk I think their vetting process is not very good. Any idiot can join up.

 

[Slayven]

I'm trying to figure out exactly how to articulate what I'm feeling about this.

I mean, I'm mad, obviously. But this is like, their deal. Cliven Bundy still isn't in jail. His assets haven't been seized. He's just chilling, having broken the law multiple times without any actual consequences. His shitbag son is following in his footsteps. They're probably going to walk, and I'm going to be even more furious.

Privilege has it's benefits. Especially if you have a gun

 

[Fisticuffs]

This whole thing is a fucking joke

 

[DrForester]

Even if the sheriff escorts them out of state does not mean they are free of federal prosecution.

And by letting them drive in and our of town I'm sure the Feds and/or other law enforcement agencies have some license plate numbers, pictures etc.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they have someone on the inside getting info. Feds are good at playing the long game now. Going in locked and loaded isn't in the play book if there isn't a immediate threat nowadays.

My 2 cents

Honestly, I bet even the feds would let them walk if they were to peacefully give up in short order.

 

[killamajig]

Honestly, I bet even the feds would let them walk if they were to peacefully give up in short order.

The Feds usually take the anti-gov stuff seriously. At least I'm hopeful they will this time with the media exposure.

 

[DrForester]

The Feds usually take the anti-gov stuff seriously. At least I'm hopeful they will this time with the media exposure.

This might have been their one chance, so I would hope so. I'm not so much mad at the Sheriff for going to talk to them, as I am that he allowed it to be a media circus.

 

[Atenhaus]

What a complete fuckup. The Sheriff has no fucking clue what he's doing.

You don't think the sheriff isn't getting shit from on high? Cut the dude some slack - do you think he wants to send his men into the woods against crazy assholes who are likely better armed than them?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

What a complete fuckup. The Sheriff has no fucking clue what he's doing.

He's the sheriff of a county with 7,500 residents. I don't think anyone could reasonably expect him to have the first inkling of a thought of how to deal with armed insurrection against the Federal Government. That's simply not part of the job training in rural policing.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I don't think it was a terrible idea. If you listen to some of their ramblings they hold local sheriffs in high regard as the "true" law of the land.

Send in a fed to negotiate and they might kidnap him.

I guess they plan on staying till they let that one dude out of jail? lol.

 

[Slayven]

Are the schools still shut down?

Cause I bet all the parents love that

 

[onadesertedisland]

This will only encourage more of this shit. These dirtbags are not Americans, they're traitors.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Yep. I am all for a peaceful resolution, but everytime these guys get away with doing shit like this means they'll keep doing it. Even with all the peaceful resolutions, it'll eventually escalate to something bloody if they keep being emboldened

There was bloody escalation with the Bundy Standoff. After they were left alone, two of their supporters went to Las Vegas and killed two cops on lunch and then a guy concealed carrying who tried to stop them taking over the Wal-Mart they fled into. These are the kind of people this sort of thing attracts. And now they're in our state doing it and it's pissing me off. We already had the shooting at the community college I attended (I'm taking time off from my studies due to a change in finances), I don't want these crazy fucks here.

 

[NervousXtian]

There's no reason to force this thing at all... the sheriff meeting was fine.

Avoiding bloodshed on either side is the most important thing... in the end play the long game if you have too... the Bundy's and idiots will eventually give in, have gained nothing, and it'll prove in the long run that this kind of thing is pointless.

 

[PeteZaTheHutt]

I want to be clear:

They still haven't cut the power.

They still haven't cut the water.

And the only thing that's really actually happened at this point is the Sheriff has tried to escort them out of the state. After five days of occupying a federal facility with guns.

Is that accurate?

"Send in the car. SEND IN THE CAR."

 

[Tesseract]

This will only encourage more of this shit. These dirtbags are not Americans, they're traitors.

to be american is to be a traitor

here's to the men who did what was considered wrong, in order to do what they knew was right... ~ nicholas cage, american treasury

 

[Chie Satonaka]

There was bloody escalation with the Bundy Standoff. After they were left alone, two of their supporters went to Las Vegas and killed two cops on lunch and then a guy concealed carrying who tried to stop them taking over the Wal-Mart they fled into. These are the kind of people this sort of thing attracts. And now they're in our state doing it and it's pissing me off. We already had the shooting at the community college I attended (I'm taking time off from my studies due to a change in finances), I don't want these crazy fucks here.

This is correct, and it was barely a fucking blurb on any news media (especially one who was sucking them off the better part of a month until Bundy's racist presser) after it happened.

This shit is always legitimized, which is why I have a problem with people both here and anywhere else blowing it off as "not a big deal". They're delusional and dangerous. Fuck them.

I'm not advocating for blood, but there's NO reason we should be providing these people any sort of courtesy or accommodation at all. If you're going to let them hole up in there, at least turn off the fucking water and power so it looks like you're doing SOMETHING.

 

[Oblivion]

I don't think it was a terrible idea. If you listen to some of their ramblings they hold local sheriffs in high regard as the "true" law of the land.

Send in a fed to negotiate and they might kidnap him.

I guess they plan on staying till they let that one dude out of jail? lol.

Except that they only seem to think highly of the sheriff when they side with them.

And wouldn't you know it? The moment the sheriff asked these goons to leave, suddenly the sheriff's no longer as revered as they were made out to be.

Imagine that.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Stolen Valor: Men In Oregon ‘Militia’ Caught Red-Handed Falsely Posing As Marine Veterans

Two of the men involved in the armed standoff in Oregon have been caught falsely claiming to have served in the Marines. An investigation shows the two have committed stolen valor. One of the men, Brian Cavalier, is the personal bodyguard to Ammon Bundy and has told reporters that he served in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Here’s the problem: the US Marine Corps has no record of his service. That’s because he was never enlisted. The other man, Blaine Cooper, also claimed to be a Marine, but he was only in the “Delayed Entry Program.” He dropped out before actually going to boot camp.

A more in-depth look reveals that Cavalier is just a tattoo artist, and not only that, but the only record he has is a rap sheet full of DUI’s and theft – nothing even affiliated with the military. That’s what police records show, anyhow. It appears he faked his military credentials so he would be more credible to serve in the Oregon gang and get more street cred.

“I’m a retired United States Marine, I can rage.”

Looking at that tat, it's obvious he's not a very good tattoo "artist".

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Is that the 'YOUR DADDY SWORE AN OATH!' guy? Cause god damn, man, what a scum bag.

No, that's John Ritzheimer. Cooper is sort of their "media guy" though and that video is there, which might be why you confused the two. Ritzheimer is the guy who started a GoFundMe campaign to raise $10 million after organizing a protest in front of a mosque in Arizona, claiming he feared for his life. He was a marine, but was discharged for violating its tattoo policy (according to him). He's on an FBI watch list though.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Sheriff actually met with these people...

Even if it was just to tell them to leave that he would allow them to make a press event out of it is sickening.

Here's the story.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sheriff-has-first-meeting-armed-oregon-land-occupiers-n492486

are you fucking kidding me

 

[Messofanego]

These are the real kind of terrorists that America is losing to all the time now.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Let them go. Let the situation be over with and nobody getting killed. Let there be no Waco or Ruby Ridge here. You can always arrest them at each of their homes later.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Let them go. Let the situation be over with and nobody getting killed. Let there be no Waco or Ruby Ridge here. You can always arrest them at each of their homes later.

I said the same thing about the Bundy Standoff, and there was bloodshed anyway. You got to get them before they get the chance to scatter to the four winds for everyone's safety.

 

[EatinOlives]

You don't think the sheriff isn't getting shit from on high? Cut the dude some slack - do you think he wants to send his men into the woods against crazy assholes who are likely better armed than them?

No, but talking to them and making a press event out of it, fully knowing they won't comply to his request, isn't anyone's idea of handling it well.

 

[EdibleKnife]

No, they are staying until they do whatever the fuck they want on federal land. They've mentioned hunting, mining, logging and for some reason off road racing or some shit.

Basically, they want a bunch of free land.

The echoes of how in line that mindset is with the country's history are loud

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I can't imagine any scenario today where a group of PoC (you pick, Black, Middle Eastern, Latino) would be allowed to arm up, go take over compound (and be there for days going into weeks) and then have the local sheriff come out and have reasoned and calm face to face conversation with their leader.

Yes I purposely used the term "allowed".

 

[EdibleKnife]

I can't imagine any scenario today where a group of PoC (you pick, Black, Middle Eastern, Latino) would be allowed to arm up, go take over compound (and be there for days going into weeks) and then have the local sheriff come out and have reasoned and calm face to face conversation with their leader.

Yes I purposely used the term "allowed".

It's literally hilarious how diometrically opposed the reaction to this has been in comparison to recent fatal events involving people of color in this country. Forget actions, just the attitude and language with which law enforcement and some media use to refer to this situation is indistinguishable from coddling to me. Let alone the fact that the leaders of this have been able to pull this twice. How do you let this kind of standoff happen twice with the same goddamn family at the helm? This is shit parents of 5 year olds are able to nip in the bud.

 

[SapientWolf]

I can't imagine any scenario today where a group of PoC (you pick, Black, Middle Eastern, Latino) would be allowed to arm up, go take over compound (and be there for days going into weeks) and then have the local sheriff come out and have reasoned and calm face to face conversation with their leader.

Yes I purposely used the term "allowed".

They're psychos and there are (reportedly) kids in there.

 

[Codeblue]

Honestly, I bet even the feds would let them walk if they were to peacefully give up in short order.

That would be a real tragedy. The law needs to be reinforced, and these people are obviously too unhinged to be allowed to walk around freely with weapons.

 

[Lonewolf_92]

Some of the players in this little troupe:

"Capt O." Joe Oshaugnessy
"No Santa" Cai Irvin
"Official Spokeswoman (Who?)" Maureen Peltier
Jon "My 15 Minutes Are Up" Ritzheimer
Blaine "I'm A Former Marine, Trust Me!" Cooper
"Raging Unicorn" Brian Cavalier
"Played A Ranger In D&D Once" Ryan Payne
"Captain Moroni"
Ammon "I'm In Charge, Really!" Bundy
Ryan "The Other" Bundy

Am I missing anyone?

 

[FlyinJ]

They're also apparently free to go into town and buy groceries and supplies without any trouble whatsoever.

They are free to walk in and out whenever. There are no cops there at all.

They are going to resturaunts to eat, drinking at bars, some of them even go to hotels for the night and walk back in the morning.

I say just let them stay there all winter, they'll eventually just get bored and leave.

 

[akira28]

They are free to walk in and out whenever. There are no cops there at all.

They are going to resturaunts to eat, drinking at bars, some of them even go to hotels for the night and walk back in the morning.

I say just let them stay there all winter, they'll eventually just get bored and leave.

send them a huge bill after. which they won't pay.

 

[EdibleKnife]

send them a huge bill after. which they won't pay.

And they'll rinse and repeat the free vacation next year too. Just grab the guns, claim a noble purpose & siphon some fun out of the nearby town.

 

[FlyinJ]

I am kind of confused about what they are trying to accomplish. What are their demands?

The guys who committed arson want nothing to do with the group, and have gone to jail to serve their sentence. Do they still want these guys released? It seems like the arsonists themselves don't even want to be released.

 

[EdibleKnife]

I am kind of confused about what they are trying to accomplish. What are their demands?

The guys who committed arson want nothing to do with the group, and have gone to jail to serve their sentence. Do they still want these guys released? It seems like the arsonists themselves don't even want to be released.

I think their higher goal now is they want the government to turn over all federal land to them, I believe.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

It's literally hilarious how diometrically opposed the reaction to this has been in comparison to recent fatal events involving people of color in this country. Forget actions, just the attitude and language with which law enforcement and some media use to refer to this situation is indistinguishable from coddling to me.

Yep.

 

[theignoramus]

Their response:



http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/amm...-safe-passage-out-of-oregon-federal-building/

Now they should all get jail time. They had their chance...which they didnt deserve to begin with.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It just pisses me off that if Black people "protested" in this manner these so called patriots would throw a fucking fit. And there would be blood in the streets.

The double standard at play here is a complete slap in the face. It's the epitome of White privilege.