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Fall Anime 2014 lOTl Unlimited Tomino Works
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KuwabaraTheMan
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Ping Pong 9:
That bathroom conversation was really good, especially with both Sakuma and Kazama's separate reactions after leaving. I liked the contrast between what Kazama said to Sakuma and what he said to Sanada. In neither case is he really being truthful, but it reveals a lot about what he's thinking in each situation. I'm hoping for a good match next episode. This episode had a lot of still shots, although the unique style and the directing still managed to take that a long way.
That bathroom conversation was really good, especially with both Sakuma and Kazama's separate reactions after leaving. I liked the contrast between what Kazama said to Sakuma and what he said to Sanada. In neither case is he really being truthful, but it reveals a lot about what he's thinking in each situation. I'm hoping for a good match next episode. This episode had a lot of still shots, although the unique style and the directing still managed to take that a long way.
astrogamer
Member
Shirobako 4
Starting the VA arc i see. The VA is the most likeable. Tarou is just terrible
Starting the VA arc i see. The VA is the most likeable. Tarou is just terrible
MikeHattsu
Member
Nozaki-kun 12
And it ends with fireworks at a summer festival.
Really fun show that has characters with a twists from the usual stuff. Comedy is pretty good and there's some bursts of romance.
This show even got bits about how manga is created. Learns you some basic stuff which was unexpected.
OP is good and there's some interesting use of classical music.
Enjoyable show, so I give it 4/5 shoujo mangas:
And it ends with fireworks at a summer festival.
Really fun show that has characters with a twists from the usual stuff. Comedy is pretty good and there's some bursts of romance.
This show even got bits about how manga is created. Learns you some basic stuff which was unexpected.
OP is good and there's some interesting use of classical music.
Enjoyable show, so I give it 4/5 shoujo mangas:
Jex
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Scheduling and production organisation.
Mainly because the entire industry is built on a flawed business model from ground up, but it's way too entrenched to change in any meaningful way as long as the major players are still profiting from it and the status quo allows things to just barely work.
Waiting for an entire series to be completed takes time. Probably about 2-3 years from conception. Since shows are generally only made by pooling funding together from different partners to form production committees, everyone involved wants to see some returns as soon as possible, especially the partners who are in it to advertise their products (selling music, singles, toys, manga, etc). Time is more valuable than money in these cases because of opportunity costs.
Turin Turambar
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Your Lie in April 4
Well I'm saying the same for the last weeks. Good character design and nice colorful backgrounds, good music, very decent execution but... so predictable it actually distracts me. The predictable drama with the music trauma (again, I predicted how the episode would run, with the kid paralyzed again in the middle of the performance, and then recovering for her), the heavy handed drama (ghost mom!), the predictable genki beautiful girl with a heart of gold and a passion for music that will rescue him, the also predictable future triangle-romance(square?)... buff.
Though I couldn't predict
Well I'm saying the same for the last weeks. Good character design and nice colorful backgrounds, good music, very decent execution but... so predictable it actually distracts me. The predictable drama with the music trauma (again, I predicted how the episode would run, with the kid paralyzed again in the middle of the performance, and then recovering for her), the heavy handed drama (ghost mom!), the predictable genki beautiful girl with a heart of gold and a passion for music that will rescue him, the also predictable future triangle-romance(square?)... buff.
Though I couldn't predict
the turn for even more melodrama and tragedy, with her being very sick? and going to the hospital, so kudos? Not that helps, I'm not in the mood for a "bawwy" story.
Turin Turambar
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I remember being surprised when I learned they produce the anime at the same time they are emitting the episodes on tv, with just a few episodes as "buffer", I thought they would have finished the season or at least they don't start emitting until they are 3/4 done.
Now I'm more cynical, I saw the underbelly's beast, etc.
That does make sense.
I guess its just as messed up as the charge an arm or a leg prices for the home video market.
It is a minor miracle that anything half way decent gets made I suppose.
It amazes me how an industry could be based on such a shaky business model. Profit margins are probably even lower than gasoline trucking, which is already razor thin margins.
Oh you are in for a treat with the next episode. Episode 10 is definitely my favourite throughout the series.
Mockingbird
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High School DxD 1-12 +OVAs 1-2 + Specials 1-6 + High School DxD New 1-12
This show was not what I was expecting it to be at all. Lots of nudity, lots of funny, and genuinely good characters. I like season 1 much more than season 2 because there is much less fighting -- too much over powered fighting in the second season. With just a short push it'd be in the hentai category. Looking forward to season 3 but hoping for less beam spams.
This show was not what I was expecting it to be at all. Lots of nudity, lots of funny, and genuinely good characters. I like season 1 much more than season 2 because there is much less fighting -- too much over powered fighting in the second season. With just a short push it'd be in the hentai category. Looking forward to season 3 but hoping for less beam spams.
Anime as a business is extremely broken. It continues to exists at the core because there is a ton of passion for making it, there's a strong cultural pull where the people in the industry feel representative of Japan in entertainment, and because today it remains the last large scale industry for traditional animation. That's one of the reason why more and more foreigners are working on anime too, simply because as an industry it exists and there's always work.
It can be very depressing thinking about how the entire thing really is behind the scenes. It's easy to look and say that big companies are just ripping off people with expensive products while abusing creative staff with low pay, but that's really not an accurate picture at all. The reality is that there are companies who are willing to invest in an industry that's not very profitable for a number of reasons, one of which is that there are producers who do believe in the creative side and have a passion for it, but their appetite for risk is fairly low and so all margins are thin.
Companies charge what they have to in Japan to limit that risk, but it sucks for the consumers. Animators are under paid and budgets are super low because that's what it takes to get stuff made, and that sucks for the work force. In the end unless they end up with a surprise hit or you already have a popular franchise, odds are the companies funding the shows themselves would lose money on most of them. It's basically a lose-lose-lose scenario for everyone, but the small wins are just enough to keep it profitable on the whole and keep things going.
It can be very depressing thinking about how the entire thing really is behind the scenes. It's easy to look and say that big companies are just ripping off people with expensive products while abusing creative staff with low pay, but that's really not an accurate picture at all. The reality is that there are companies who are willing to invest in an industry that's not very profitable for a number of reasons, one of which is that there are producers who do believe in the creative side and have a passion for it, but their appetite for risk is fairly low and so all margins are thin.
Companies charge what they have to in Japan to limit that risk, but it sucks for the consumers. Animators are under paid and budgets are super low because that's what it takes to get stuff made, and that sucks for the work force. In the end unless they end up with a surprise hit or you already have a popular franchise, odds are the companies funding the shows themselves would lose money on most of them. It's basically a lose-lose-lose scenario for everyone, but the small wins are just enough to keep it profitable on the whole and keep things going.
Jex
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It's worth noting that, before TV anime became a thing e.g. pre the likes of Astro Boy, many people said that it would be completely impossible to produce animation for any reasonable amount of money within a reasonable amount of time. They weren't wrong as such, they just didn't understand who much 'limited' animation would be employed or how bad the working conditions would end up being.
R_thanatos
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Ai katsu - 26
Ai katsu is gearing up by shaking his roots and changing the battlefield , that's really awesome.
The holidays are over , it's a new term and our heroines must now become trainers to help the rookies. I see plenty of new faces , this should be good.
In fact it's good already .... Especially since ichigo has a newcomer to train that is full of backstory while similar to our heroine.Her new gimmick is awesome btw :
The Kitaouji Theater is something else ... it's so stupid i can't wait to see more of this.. what a familly .. It's actually intresting to see our heroine trying to show the tropes to someone ....especially when that person has much higher specs form the get-go.
I'm looking forward to see where this goes.
Since it's a new season , that mean new songs.. i'm actually sad to see "SIGNALIZE" go ... that was a good song ...the new one isn't as good but does the job.
They did however maintain a similar quality for the ED that is as good as the previous one. i can at least look forward to hear new songs for this season.
New songs , new characters , new dynamics between the idols , this 2nd ai katsu season starts very strong and that warms my heart.
Can i expect a 8 character concert ? that would be awesome.
Ai katsu is gearing up by shaking his roots and changing the battlefield , that's really awesome.
The holidays are over , it's a new term and our heroines must now become trainers to help the rookies. I see plenty of new faces , this should be good.
In fact it's good already .... Especially since ichigo has a newcomer to train that is full of backstory while similar to our heroine.Her new gimmick is awesome btw :
The Kitaouji Theater !
The Kitaouji Theater is something else ... it's so stupid i can't wait to see more of this.. what a familly .. It's actually intresting to see our heroine trying to show the tropes to someone ....especially when that person has much higher specs form the get-go.
I'm looking forward to see where this goes.
Since it's a new season , that mean new songs.. i'm actually sad to see "SIGNALIZE" go ... that was a good song ...the new one isn't as good but does the job.
They did however maintain a similar quality for the ED that is as good as the previous one. i can at least look forward to hear new songs for this season.
New songs , new characters , new dynamics between the idols , this 2nd ai katsu season starts very strong and that warms my heart.
Can i expect a 8 character concert ? that would be awesome.
This is why I always get pissed when people just pirate anime. The margins are super low even if everyone buys into it somehow and yet the industry has to battle bootlegs and illegal copies. I dont think a lot of young people realize how perilous the anime industry is teetering on the edge. Im not sure they care even if they do.
I have a lot more sympathy for people pirating in Japan than overseas.
When the cost of a 24 episode series on Blu-ray is more than the monthly food budget for a family of five, shit is messed up.
Its just untenable.
R_thanatos
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Well being a HUGE fan of the novel i can assure you that the S3 is going to be a bit more like the s1 than the s2 in term of fights , as for the "fanservice" it's not going to go , that much is certain.
Dedication Through Light
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PSYCHO-PASS Episode 26 The Salvation of Job
WC indeed, just watching this until the end as I think the whole story is pretty incredibly flawed and too over the top to be incredible.
WC indeed, just watching this until the end as I think the whole story is pretty incredibly flawed and too over the top to be incredible.
the chief must be a part of this plan or something, but I dont think it would destroy Sibyl Society or anything, oh well. And like I said last week, the femchars I like end up on the death track ;/
NaDannMaGoGo
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Yeh you mirror my thoughts rather closely.
God damn it, the animation of the performance, especially everything regarding the piano and visualizing Kousei's issues, that was just awesome. But it's darn heavy handed and there's a lot of seriously cringe worthy dialogues/monologues.
Just...shut up. During the performance too, way, way too much monologuing. At some point I didn't even know if Kaori was thinking to herself, Kousei was imagining her saying things, she actually said all that out loud or she said those things in the previous episodes and Kousei was just recalling them. It can be hard to tell when we don't actually see a moving mouth and the context isn't quite clear.
And while I liked this episodes events for the most part, I wish they didn't manage to try and succeed again (and have Kaori break down). Instead, stay a bit more realistic and let us see how the relationships develop due to the failed performance. That would've been rather interesting to me, much more so than an external "oh Kaori's got this really bad sickness - TRAGIC!" angle.
I think I'm giving this show one more episode, if I don't feel like its gonna get any better I'll probably drop it. I actually had to pause this episode a bunch of times when the dialogue was too bad.
Jex
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You tackle this question quite frequently, both here and in Off-Topic. Have you ever considered just making one general post about the anime industry that you can refer others to when this issue arises? It would just be a useful resource to have access to.
Mockingbird
Member
Psycho Pass 2 Ep 4
Goddamn. I liked Aoyanagi too. And who knew Shimotsuki's character would be so annoyingly frustrating -- since episode 1 and especially in this episode. Considering what she went through in Season 1 in the High School incident where her friends were getting murdered without detection from the system, I don't see why she's such a fan of the Sibyl system. Furthermore she seems to have a lot of respect for Yayoi even though she's an enforcer.
Goddamn. I liked Aoyanagi too. And who knew Shimotsuki's character would be so annoyingly frustrating -- since episode 1 and especially in this episode. Considering what she went through in Season 1 in the High School incident where her friends were getting murdered without detection from the system, I don't see why she's such a fan of the Sibyl system. Furthermore she seems to have a lot of respect for Yayoi even though she's an enforcer.
R_thanatos
Member
Ai katsu - 27
This second season still continue to be very strong .. i'm legit impressed.
One thing i liked in season 1 was the progression of each character and the fact that each event was part of a narrative and this season continues on this path , for my whole pleasure it seems.
Each character tropes , and attitudes really helps for the fun of watching , each feel unique and all of them ( even the newcomer ) add something to the table , the animation overall really went up on all aspects of this show
But yurika remains my favorite for now:
The idol cup started , with the goal of beating mizuki that stays the undisputed champion, the stakes are high and everyone is training as much as possible to get ready .. meanwhile johnny sensei is still awesome and raise the stakes even higher with random appeals that appear at random places on the stage !
Yep this episode was good , it was freaking good, i'm really liking where this is going and i'm really enjoying the new songs and the fact that this was in fact a 7 character show ... Man we've come a long way since the start of this show already.
This second season still continue to be very strong .. i'm legit impressed.
One thing i liked in season 1 was the progression of each character and the fact that each event was part of a narrative and this season continues on this path , for my whole pleasure it seems.
Each character tropes , and attitudes really helps for the fun of watching , each feel unique and all of them ( even the newcomer ) add something to the table , the animation overall really went up on all aspects of this show
But yurika remains my favorite for now:
Even if i don't follow sometimes
DAT Tsundere negation effect ....
The idol cup started , with the goal of beating mizuki that stays the undisputed champion, the stakes are high and everyone is training as much as possible to get ready .. meanwhile johnny sensei is still awesome and raise the stakes even higher with random appeals that appear at random places on the stage !
Yep this episode was good , it was freaking good, i'm really liking where this is going and i'm really enjoying the new songs and the fact that this was in fact a 7 character show ... Man we've come a long way since the start of this show already.
I think the industry at large is complex enough that it can't be reduced to a single post which "explains" everything. I find it easier to explain specific elements which I can when it comes up in conversation. Even if we were to approach it from the angle of a resource, I'm not really sure where it would go. If it's just a random post in the ongoing anime thread, it feels like putting effort towards something which no one really asked about, and would be quickly lost in the flow. If it's a specific thread about the anime industry, I don't think there's really enough genuine interest about it to sustain a discussion. I dunno.
BassForever
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InuYasha 132
YES
HE FINALLY DID IT
Now we just need InuYasha to admit his feelings for Kagome, kill Naraku, and wrap this puppy up (still 30 episodes and final act left) ... oh...
YES
HE FINALLY DID IT
Now we just need InuYasha to admit his feelings for Kagome, kill Naraku, and wrap this puppy up (still 30 episodes and final act left) ... oh...
Jex
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People tend to ask stuff like "Why is anime like it is now?" "How do costs work?" "What's the deal with production?" "Why does anime cost so much money?" "Why so moe?" etc etc. This is all...kind of related. To the point where I think you could (theoretically) put together a general overview that answers or at least addresses those main questions. I'd do it myself but I don't have that all to hand in my brain.
I would only recommend doing it for the sake of a thread on the subject. You would get some discussion out of it because you'd title the thread something like "Why you favourite anime is shit" and then in the thread it would be "to produce" or something (something snappier). This blatant click baiting would attract enough discussion for a handful of good pages of discussion before the whole thing falls apart into irrelevance.
The main upshot of THAT is that, even when that thread has run it's usefulness, it'll always be available as something people can refer to and link in Anime OT's.
I'm just saying you should work for free in your own time!
This silly english chap has a good idea
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Naruto Shippuuden 384
At first, I wanted to complain about the low budget quality everywhere.
But then I remembered about the Movie and how typical this is when they blow the budget on that.
So for now I don't really mind.
Especially after seeing the teaser and knowing the best part in the entirety of this arc is still a little far off.
At first, I wanted to complain about the low budget quality everywhere.
But then I remembered about the Movie and how typical this is when they blow the budget on that.
So for now I don't really mind.
Especially after seeing the teaser and knowing the best part in the entirety of this arc is still a little far off.
Passive Assassin
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Shirobako 4
Goddamn. I can feel the stage fright from here.
yep. aots.
Goddamn. I can feel the stage fright from here.
yep. aots.
Since CR put everything up this week, and the OP also just changed this week:
Check out Encouragment of Climb's second OP.
It's done in the same stylized manner as "Natsuiro Present", with the main difference being Yukachi and Asumin are the only ones singing it.
Check out Encouragment of Climb's second OP.
It's done in the same stylized manner as "Natsuiro Present", with the main difference being Yukachi and Asumin are the only ones singing it.
I think you would be surprised.
Its a very intetesting topic. At least to me and certainly some others.
In fact I was actually going to ask if there were any articles or research on why the anime industry is the way it is.
R_thanatos
Member
Ai katsu - 28
The stakes are raised , but the friendship is strong !
Meanwhile , Aoi made my sentence of the day :
Indeed , ran blushing is rare. Ahem
There is some strong yuri vibes between ran and yukari ..i don't think that's only me. I don't think i'm using my sdburton googles so it must be legit ..i hope they manage to conclude.
Talking about yukari , well ...
So , This was a good episode , i expected more for the song , i must admit . i understand that this was a serie of auditions , but re-using the same song got old.
That's the only problem i had with this ep.
The stakes are raised , but the friendship is strong !
Meanwhile , Aoi made my sentence of the day :
Neat folders are the best , aoi !
Indeed , ran blushing is rare. Ahem
There is some strong yuri vibes between ran and yukari ..i don't think that's only me. I don't think i'm using my sdburton googles so it must be legit ..i hope they manage to conclude.
Talking about yukari , well ...
Tsundere negation is the best
So , This was a good episode , i expected more for the song , i must admit . i understand that this was a serie of auditions , but re-using the same song got old.
That's the only problem i had with this ep.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Flowers of Evil 11:
Amazing. That long scene near the end of the episode was perfect. It starts out with Kasuga walking through the city and feeling like a very melancholic scene (which was already quite effective), before transitioning into something surreal and Twin Peaks-esque afterwards. The music is perfect in the scene, and although it's about five or six minutes of solid walking, I was wrapped up in the scene the entire time. It does a good job of showing Kasuga's state of mind as well as where his subconscious is leading him now. Another small touch I loved at the very end of the episode was just how good the broken glass on the floor looked.
It's kind of interesting how this episode skips forward in time a month, but keeps up the same slow pacing of only having a few scenes. It's a slightly odd sort of pacing decision, but it works well, and showing where the characters are at now is done quite organically. There's a lot in this episode that I can relate to my own personal experiences, such as Kasuga being lectured about making his mother cry, or the awkward scene of him slowly leaving the dinner table, or just the little behind the back whispering going on by the other students. This episode really had everything the show does on display, from the surreal moments, to the lengthy scenes of walking and dialogue, to the very down to earth middle school life problems that many viewers can personally relate to.
Amazing. That long scene near the end of the episode was perfect. It starts out with Kasuga walking through the city and feeling like a very melancholic scene (which was already quite effective), before transitioning into something surreal and Twin Peaks-esque afterwards. The music is perfect in the scene, and although it's about five or six minutes of solid walking, I was wrapped up in the scene the entire time. It does a good job of showing Kasuga's state of mind as well as where his subconscious is leading him now. Another small touch I loved at the very end of the episode was just how good the broken glass on the floor looked.
It's kind of interesting how this episode skips forward in time a month, but keeps up the same slow pacing of only having a few scenes. It's a slightly odd sort of pacing decision, but it works well, and showing where the characters are at now is done quite organically. There's a lot in this episode that I can relate to my own personal experiences, such as Kasuga being lectured about making his mother cry, or the awkward scene of him slowly leaving the dinner table, or just the little behind the back whispering going on by the other students. This episode really had everything the show does on display, from the surreal moments, to the lengthy scenes of walking and dialogue, to the very down to earth middle school life problems that many viewers can personally relate to.
Interesting point. I think the references are a tricky part. One thing I personally hate when reading good write-ups is that if there's a lack of referencing , I can't follow up on certain claims made in the article. Even though the author might know what they're saying, having further reading sources allows people who are interested in points addressed to dig deeper. So I agree that would be very useful to have.
The problem with the anime industry is that it's a Japanese industry, so a lot of these stuff are in Japanese rather than English. It can also be hard tracing back to stuff which I remember reading about or listening to, if years have passed. Some sites don't exist anymore, some interviews are in books, magazines, booklets, etc.
These days a lot of industry folks use Twitter as well, so we can get more direct look into some of the process if they decide to tweet about it, or if they talk to each other about it publicly. But this can also provide an incomplete picture because of these interactions lack context. It's important not to jump to conclusions I think.
Podcasts and radio/stream events is another way to get an insight into how things work direct from people who work in those fields. Again though, there's a language barrier. Many of the Japanese stuff remain in Japanese. From the animation production stand point, there are actually increasingly more English sources here because of more English speaking animators working in Japan who are willing to talk about the experience. Aya Suzuki and Bahi JD are the main examples in recent years.
The podcast with Aya Suzuki has been posted here before a few times I think, but worth reposting for those interested in what an animator from the UK who now works in the anime industry in Japan has to say about the unique aspects of the industry ranging from production to pay: http://thepegbarandgrill.com/podcasts/episode-4-aya-suzuki/
As for the big question on "why the anime industry is this way", I think it remains an open question though. There probably isn't enough serious research done to reveal which of the contributing factors have the most impact, so personally I can only speculate based on observations of how it is. Could be a very interesting topic, but I won't lie, I'm not inclined to start such a discussion because I expect a lot of low effort reductionist replies about "otaku", "waifus", "moe", and "fanservice". I also feel that such a discussion would be far more beneficial if people who actually have a stake in the industry have input. Too bad there aren't large serious media platforms interested in going after this sort of journalism.
How to terrorize sports fans
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Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
It was the safest looking picture I found when searching Ojou on Google, all the other ones were kind of---y'know, lol.
R_thanatos
Member
Bullying 2.0
UltraGunner
Banned
And during National Bullying Prevention month too smh
Admiral Woofington
Member
Cajun only squees and bounces in here. But out there...
out there they know him as El Gato Mujer De La Muerte
No he squees and bounces in the NFL thread too.
As do others now!
NHL GAF doesnt accept anime
Yet they accept Tabris.
Regardless of how you go about doing it, it's very appreciated when you do. At least by me! I eat that stuff up.
no we dont
Admiral Woofington
Member
All I had to do to get on the goodside of football/futbol/soccerGAF when I went there during the world cup was to make a couple of 'Murica jokes and make sexual advances towards Brits.
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