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Fall Anime 2014 lOTl Unlimited Tomino Works

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phaze

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No you have to watch Ironman Rise of the Technovore first. :p

This is not a good movie is it ? -_- He needs to finish Shigurui one of these days.


F/SN: Unlimited Harem Works 4
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Where Shirou begins his practical research on polygamy.

And huh they showed (speculation about a certain character, though I imagine I'm right.)
Sakura's hands quite a few times and the command seals were nowhere to be seen. Maybe I was was wrong but they strongly implied she is another master in 02
 

Cwarrior

Member
Why didn't I know that the guy who did Texhnolyze and Shigurui is nowadays directing Terra Formars ? I must check out this undoubted masterpiece.

He also did steins gate.

No you have to watch Ironman Rise of the Technovore first. :p

I thought i was the only one that watched that, Ironman rise of the technovore is about as dumb as ghost in the shell.

Animu is why marvel animated movies sucks so much compared to glorious DC animated movies.
 
Unlimited Blade Works 04: This episode was pretty bad not even gonna lie, it was a culmination of pretty much everything I disliked about the VN. The only worthwhile part of it was the end of it where Team Rin check out the building, well at the very least the next episode should be action oriented.

I find it funny that you were so adamant before this aired that "F/SN is actually good; people just hate it because of DEEN", and yet your episode impressions for the ufotable remake have pretty much all been "This sucks." Guess F/SN isn't so hot after all, huh?
 

Jarmel

Banned
I find it funny that you were so adamant before this aired that "F/SN is actually good; people just hate it because of DEEN", and yet your episode impressions for the ufotable remake have pretty much all been "This sucks." Guess F/SN isn't so hot after all, huh?

Hype trains take no prisoners.
 

Blusby

Member
I find it funny that you were so adamant before this aired that "F/SN is actually good; people just hate it because of DEEN", and yet your episode impressions for the ufotable remake have pretty much all been "This sucks." Guess F/SN isn't so hot after all, huh?

I have my own reservations about the VN, the core of the narrative is good but it's suffocated by bad fluff. I've only talked badly about Ep. 2 and Ep. 4 because what I disliked in the VN was carried over into these two episodes. I really dug eps 0, 1, and 3 so no I haven't been shitting on every episode.
The DEEN tv series took a bad route and somehow made it even worse and the UBW film is a terrible summation.
 

Jex

Member
[Fate Stay] - 4

I'll avoid critiquing the painful VN/harem elements of this episode because they're fairly obvious. There are two other major problems with the episode that stood out to me:

- There's a scene where haremette42 is talking to Shirou about archery. During this sequence Shirou has a Vietnam-esque flashback that's edited in the most awkward and clunky way imaginable. Just a tonal disaster.

- Right at the end of the episode Rin and Archey are trying to carry out a mission in what appears to be a completely different series. As a part of this 'serious business' scene Archi asks Rin what she'd do to Shirou if he fails to recognise his role as a master. Of course, she answers that she'd kill him and then BAM the episode draws to a close on this dramatic note.

Or, does it? Is that not, in fact, the least convincing thing for Rin to say? Who actually believes what she's saying, based on her own behaviour? It doesn't even sound like the VA has any conviction. You can't fill a story with harem nonsense and then expect us to actually believe that these characters are serious and determined when we all know they cant resist the allure of the main man because that's how all these stories work.
 

Blusby

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- There's a scene where haremette42 is talking to, well, more like speaking, at Shirou about archery. During this sequence Shirou has a Vietnam-esque flashback that's edited in the most awkward and clunky way imaginable. Just a tonal disaster.

This was especially bad, it made me laugh and it shouldn't be making me laugh. It felt like the director was leaning over my shoulder and yelling "CAN'T YOU SEE HOW DISTURBED THIS MAN IS?".
 

jman2050

Member
My understanding is that ufotable plans to adapt absolutely every major event from the VN route for better and for worse so take that as you will.
 

Jex

Member
This was especially bad, it made me laugh and it shouldn't be making me laugh. It felt like the director was leaning over my shoulder and yelling "CAN'T YOU SEE HOW DISTURBED THIS MAN IS?".

HEY SHIROU I'VE NEVER SEEN YOU SMILE WHY DON'T YOU SMILE SHIROU
 
Log Horizon 05 & SAOII 17
Fuck it I'm subbing to WoW again.

FSNUBW 04
Done with this.

Chaika Avenging Battle 04
This are finally happening.

Parasyte 04
So it looks like Migi may slowly be taking over. I wonder what that teacher is going to do now. Perhaps she realizes humans may be worth something after
her mother didn't recognize her even though the disguise was supposedly perfect.
 

NCR Redslayer

NeoGAF's Vegeta
Log Horizon S2 5
The gang finally
faces defeat.

Sword Art S2 17
I forget why I cared about this show.
Oh wait, its to see Kirito save day.

Terraformars 6
Akari's doing some Joseph Joestar level of thinking.
And Michelle is so badass that she still adjusts her glasses even in an underwater life or death situation.
 
So even with my brain in a bit of a jumble watching this after spending the week going through the utterly fantastic
lol
Fate route, I could tell this wasn't a very good episode.

- I finally noticed how terrible the faces are, they even change shape in different scenes at the same distance.

-Ilya bath scene, totally necessary.

-For a route that's supposed to be about Rin, I'm pretty sure I liked her character a lot more at this (relative) point in the Fate route. Here she's just a tsundere that totally doesn't have the hots for Shirou. In Fate she's mostly just a huge troll with fantastic facial expressions. Too bad ufotable can't animate faces, apparently.

- I guess hearing the words "you don't smile" is the trigger to Shirou's traumatic past, or something. idk

- At least Rin moving in with Shirou in the Fate route had a better excuse than trying to keep him from sleeping with Saber. I would think that a female teacher moving in with a male student would cause bigger problems but fuck that Shirou's the MC he has to have all the ladies want him.

-The fact that I'm saying positive things about the Fate route is a very, very bad sign.
 

dan2026

Member
I think you guys are forgetting that Fate/Stay Night began its life as an Eroge visual novel.

The whole point is for the characters to end up shagging each other.
 

Jarmel

Banned
Ultimate Blade Works-4
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am i kawaii? uguu
I thought the episode was fine. I expected a lot worse going in. The "Why Don't You Smile" scene was a pretty big screw-up on the part of the director though.

Also Ufotable really needs to work on their character designs going forward. I don't care if it's Tabata's style, it's ugly as fuck. Rin's face in the opening scene looked atrocious in profile.
 

DiGiKerot

Member
I think you guys are forgetting that Fate/Stay Night began its life as an Eroge visual novel.

The whole point is for the characters to end up shagging each other.

Fate/Stay Night is an incredibly long VN, and there's maybe...8 ero scenes in the whole thing, if that? If it was about the titilation, they do a pretty bad job of it by making the reader sit through ten hours of guff before they get to see cartoon boobies.

(Not to mention that Nasu really can't write porn)
 

dan2026

Member
Fate/Stay Night is an incredibly long VN, and there's maybe...8 ero scenes in the whole thing, if that? If it was about the titilation, they do a pretty bad job of it by making the reader sit through ten hours of guff before they get to see cartoon boobies.

(Not to mention that Nasu really can't write porn)

Then I would argue that if it wasn't to some degree about the porn there wouldn't of been any ero scenes at all. Let alone 8.
 

Jarmel

Banned
Then I would argue that if it wasn't to some degree about the porn there wouldn't of been any ero scenes at all. Let alone 8.

Well considering there are versions of the game without any of the ero then I would say that you lose that argument.
 

dan2026

Member
Well considering there are versions of the game without any of the ero then I would say that you lose that argument.

Oh I know that. But the original game is the original game.

My point is the original source material isn't some masterpiece.
Its an eroge visual novel with a slightly better than average story.

But hey my opinion, your mileage may vary etc.
 

Midonin

Member
Then I would argue that if it wasn't to some degree about the porn there wouldn't of been any ero scenes at all. Let alone 8.
I won't deny that's part of the appeal of visual novels, but there's huge gulf between the nukige games that make getting to the sex scenes the main attraction, and ones where the scenes are bonuses used to show the progress of relationship, while everything else has non-sexy CGs and a story comparable to those in anime.

Something like 11eyes didn't even have its sex scenes on the various girls' routes until one has already played through the entire main story. Visual novels have more nuance to them than their HCG packs.
 

MetalDeer

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Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works 04

Well, uh.. at least it can't get any worse than this, right guys?

I don't know what's worse,
the "flashbacks", or all the girls moving in with Shirou because they think he's going to try to bust a move on Saber or some shit
. Ugghh. Wake me up when they get back to the awesome fight scenes.
 

Blusby

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Oh I know that. But the original game is the original game.

My point is the original source material isn't some masterpiece.
Its an eroge visual novel with a slightly better than average story.

But hey my opinion, your mileage may vary etc.

I understand and agree with that, but it's not about the bone zone and all of those 18+ scenes are largely inconsequential.
 

sonicmj1

Member
Clunky as Shirou flashbacking may be, it's the first thing that's made him anything besides a Kokutou-esque bland ball of helpful blandness.
 

dan2026

Member
I think the thing that annoys me most about F/SN is how schizophrenic the story telling is.

It wants to be this big serious story about mages fighting bloody battles to the death over this magical object, but then at the same time we have wacky school hi-jinks and harem bullshit.

It can't decide what it wants to be.
 

Jarmel

Banned
Really it's the eye placement in that it's not as bad for the other characters.

Rin's eyes are too far back.

I think the thing that annoys me most about F/SN is how schizophrenic the story telling is.

It wants to be this big serious story about mages fighting bloody battles to the death over this magical object, but then at the same time we have wacky school hi-jinks and harem bullshit.

It can't decide what it wants to be.

You're taking the story more seriously than the work itself does.
 

Jex

Member
I think the thing that annoys me most about F/SN is how schizophrenic the story telling is.

It wants to be this big serious story about mages fighting bloody battles to the death over this magical object, but then at the same time we have wacky school hi-jinks and harem bullshit.

It can't decide what it wants to be.

All these kinds of posts, including discussions about the "adult" material appear to be extremely long-winded ways of saying that it's a badly written story. You don't really need to say anything more than that. It's just kind of shit.
 
Fate/Stay Night 04

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Log Horizon 2 05

Everyone got owned.
When will Crusty and Isaac come back to solve all the problems?

Sword Art Online II 17

So is Kirito's AI daughter thing just Deadly Boss Mods now?
And it almost looked like the boss they were fighting had some form of...mechanics? Like he would do things besides yell and punch sometimes?
This was a pretty decent arc, I didn't expect it to be only 3 eps long.

lol at Kirito being unworthy of Mjolnir but Klein being worthy. I guess the guy who has to deal with NPC chicks while his buddy has a giant harem has to have some vindication
 

dan2026

Member
All these kinds of posts, including discussions about the "adult" material appear to be extremely long-winded ways of saying that it's a badly written story. You don't really need to say anything more than that. It's just kind of shit.

I think there is merit to the Fate material. I really enjoyed Fate Zero for instance. It wasn't perfect but it was highly enjoyable.

But for some reason F/SN seems to get rated as this great, impressive thing, when it is really kinda average.

Which is a really long winded way of me saying I don't understand why it is so overrated.
 

phaze

Member
He also did steins gate.

It's on my to do list.

Monster 27


I can't say I give a crap about Karl and his
daddy issues but the scene of Mr Schubert finally finding out he's his son was pretty touching. Though I imagine that with Johan lurking in the shadows, that happiness won't last long.
 

Jex

Member
I dunno, the whole Fate/Stay Night "stuff" seems to have been widely derived ever since I've been a part of the fandom. I wasn't thrilled to hear Ufotable would be wasting their talents on it, in the same way that KyoAni waste their talents on the likes of KnK.
 

Jarmel

Banned
I think there is merit to the Fate material. I really enjoyed Fate Zero for instance. It wasn't perfect but it was highly enjoyable.

But for some reason F/SN seems to get rated as this great, impressive thing, when it is really kinda average.

Which is a really long winded way of me saying I don't understand why it is so overrated.

The climaxes are fantastic.

I'm sure someone is going to interpret the above sentence sexually.
 

Jarmel

Banned
It's funny that you guys are lauding the writing in Fate/Zero so much since Nasu did have a really big impact on the writing for that. F/Z wasn't just a solo effort by Urobuchi.
 
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