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victreeb3l
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Madoka: Rebellion
I needed some time to let everything soak in after watching it.
But before anything, I gotta say the opening sequence was absolutely enchanting. It felt like some sort of disturbing disney musical. The singing and behaviors just felt very disney like. The whole sequence and the music was stuck in my head, and I rewatched it a few times. It was awesome.
Anyways, on to the movie. I can see why many fans would be upset at the ending. I thought it was solid. I'm unhappy with how
but I felt like this is the direction the series had to go anyways. It sucks though.
She should have kept her mouth shut
. I felt betrayed by
Even though
Even so, I'm still lost and confused about a few things. It would be great if some of you can help me piece things together:
All in all, I really enjoyed this ride. I havent spent so much time thinking about a series in a long time, its definitely one of my favorites now. SHAFT did an incredible job making really disturbing but very creative artwork as it was a pleasure to just look at. Cant say enough about the soundtrack. Hope theres more in the future.
I needed some time to let everything soak in after watching it.
But before anything, I gotta say the opening sequence was absolutely enchanting. It felt like some sort of disturbing disney musical. The singing and behaviors just felt very disney like. The whole sequence and the music was stuck in my head, and I rewatched it a few times. It was awesome.
Anyways, on to the movie. I can see why many fans would be upset at the ending. I thought it was solid. I'm unhappy with how
Homura reaches a new level of suffering
She suffered more than any of the girls, and now, the more she protects Madoka, the farther she will be from her and at odds. lts brutal. I think she had a mental breakdown at the ending.
She should have kept her mouth shut
about the witches
QB again, I thought these little bastards would stop being such bastards but I was wrong. They went ahead and started to perform cruel experiments trying to capture Madoka. I wish things were as happy go lucky as Homuras labyrinth. If only. Fucking QB.
Even though
Homura is now a "devil", I dont think its from an "evil" POV. Just something thats different from God Madoka. It seems shes a lot more powerful than God Madoka and seems to have some influence over the Incubators. You cant fool me again. The cute little bastards will find another way to torture the girls again.
Even so, I'm still lost and confused about a few things. It would be great if some of you can help me piece things together:
1) So Homura stripped Madokas power because she felt shes the only one able to protect her? That as long as Madoka exists in her new reality, no one will be able to mess with her and her peaceful lifestyle?
2) How did Sayaka and Bebe know what was going on? How did they become Madokas "heralds"? I thought they were dead. So when Madoka got pulled into the labyrinth trying to save Homura, these 2 were pulled in as well? If so, how come their memories werent erased?
3) Are these girls in the end real? Did Sayaka, Mami, Kyoko and Nagisa come back to life for real? They dont have magical girl memories but do they know they are friends?
4) What use does Homura have now for the Incubators? She mentioned that she will be keeping an eye on them or something.
5) So the ending for episode 12 was the beginning of Homuras witch transformation? I read somewhere the writer said that wasnt even in Japan.
2) How did Sayaka and Bebe know what was going on? How did they become Madokas "heralds"? I thought they were dead. So when Madoka got pulled into the labyrinth trying to save Homura, these 2 were pulled in as well? If so, how come their memories werent erased?
3) Are these girls in the end real? Did Sayaka, Mami, Kyoko and Nagisa come back to life for real? They dont have magical girl memories but do they know they are friends?
4) What use does Homura have now for the Incubators? She mentioned that she will be keeping an eye on them or something.
5) So the ending for episode 12 was the beginning of Homuras witch transformation? I read somewhere the writer said that wasnt even in Japan.
All in all, I really enjoyed this ride. I havent spent so much time thinking about a series in a long time, its definitely one of my favorites now. SHAFT did an incredible job making really disturbing but very creative artwork as it was a pleasure to just look at. Cant say enough about the soundtrack. Hope theres more in the future.
MikeHattsu
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Sailor Moon 44
Here we get to see the fall of Silver Millennium, and how the Dark Kingdom came to be. It's a pretty sad episode.
is finally beaten too.
Here we get to see the fall of Silver Millennium, and how the Dark Kingdom came to be. It's a pretty sad episode.
Kunzite
Based Tomino
Jex
Member
I kind of understand what you mean but, you're basically asking why an action movie is behaving like an action movie. Spectacle and mayhem go hand in and and there's rarely any 'sense' to it. This has always been the case in Hollywood blockbusters and it continues to be the case here.
1. Yes. Madoka CAN still be God, but as long as Nomura makes sure she can't remember, then she's just a normal highschool girl.
2. It's more of the fact that Madoka literally rewrote the universe. As such, when Bebe was meant to become a Witch, when Madoka saved her, instead of going to Heaven, she became a herald. Same with Sayaka. According to Sayaka, Madoka was having fun. So much so that she forgot what she was there for... But they were still focused and didn't forget.
3. Yes they're real. They've been rewritten in Homura's universe. Everyone seems the same so nothing has changed. As for as Kyoko though, I can't remember if she's in their school or not at the end. If she is, then all is well and they more than likely know her. If not, they'd probably get some weird déjà vu feeling.
4. I don't think we actually know.
5. Something like that. It's the same spot 12 ended so Homura fought those things at the end of 12 and lost thus causing Rebellion.
2. It's more of the fact that Madoka literally rewrote the universe. As such, when Bebe was meant to become a Witch, when Madoka saved her, instead of going to Heaven, she became a herald. Same with Sayaka. According to Sayaka, Madoka was having fun. So much so that she forgot what she was there for... But they were still focused and didn't forget.
3. Yes they're real. They've been rewritten in Homura's universe. Everyone seems the same so nothing has changed. As for as Kyoko though, I can't remember if she's in their school or not at the end. If she is, then all is well and they more than likely know her. If not, they'd probably get some weird déjà vu feeling.
4. I don't think we actually know.
5. Something like that. It's the same spot 12 ended so Homura fought those things at the end of 12 and lost thus causing Rebellion.
I understand the sentiment though. Realistic physics aren't necessarily prohibitive to spectacle, it just takes more skill and knowledge to realise both simultaneously.
This is why Iso was so good with these large-scale things. He was able to create thrilling sequences without over-exaggerating the physics or the animation, relying instead on the weight of his realistic movement.
Sir Blaming
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yeah, and it will be my first and hopefully last mistake.
AnathemicOne
Banned
Yay, more praise for Rebellion! Now onto clarification:
1) In a sense. I took it that Homura split Madokami (god/universal law Madoka) into two. Essentially Homura took Madoka the person and split it from Madokami, now Madokami will still go out and do its magical girl-savior-type business however it will be devoid of the personality of Madoka herself which is now in the current reality/universe that Homura created. As for why she did it, Homura believes that Madoka, deep down, ultimately didn't want to be Madokami.
2) Madokami in the anime TV series (or the previous two movies, whichever you prefer) takes every magical girl into herself enacting the role of a savior as such. While Bebe wasn't shown it is implied, as for Sayaka it is shown during the end of the previous series/movies. Sayaka and Bebe didn't lose their memories because Madokami (and them) beforehand knew that entering Homura's labyrinth was going to cost something. As Homura's despair was solely focused on Madoka, the three entered the labyrinth with Sayaka and Bebe tasked with keeping things in check knowing that there was a high probability something will happen and focus a great amount of effort onto Madokami, such great effort was the reason why Sayaka and Bebe weren't affected.
3) Everyone is real in Rebellion (with the exception of non important characters like your average joe). Within the movie it is stated that Homura's labyrinth entrapped and drew in notable individuals that mattered to her: Sakura, Mami, Madokami, Sakura, etc. With the creation of her new universe said characters are physically existing and thus assumed to be resurrected for Homura.
4) No one knows, well atleast I don't. I assume that potential arc is left off to be vague either for the sake of being vague or another hook-in for a potential story/plot continuation within the franchise.
5) You mean the ending shot where she grew wings? I assume so given the same color scheme used in the transformation in Rebellion.
Jex
Member
I do understand the concept of realistic action set pieces, and I'll also agree that it takes skill to do them well but I just don't think Bahamut was ever pretending to be set in reality. From the second you see those horses jump 50 feet off an aqueduct onto a roof the director has signalled that anything could happen.
Now, I can understand that NaDannMaGoGo isn't a fan of that kind of 'reality abuse' on principal but I don't think it's something you can hold against the episode.
Nah, I don't think it's a problem with the show. There's a place for both realism and "realism", but it'd still be nice to see more of the former.
Maximilian Kolbe
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Inou-Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de episode 01
Trigger
2011-2014
Trigger
2011-2014
Lmao, was it that bad?
Steins;Gate 19
Welp, we know
Almost looked like there was foreshadowing
Shining Finger
Welp, we know
where the IBN 5100. But we haven't undid the last D-Mail, whether that is important or not who knows.
Almost looked like there was foreshadowing
that Mayuri was FB with the flash back scene.
is also insane, she went absolutely bonkers.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Jex
Member
You gotta make money, man. They have bills to pay.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
2007 was the single best year in the history of anime though
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I know that, and i know they will reborn at 2015 Spring with Ninja Slayer<-this show will be fucking awesome if Trigger do it right
I don't believe you.
MikeHattsu
Member
Haha. Keep watching!
MikeHattsu
Member
Love, Election and Chocolate 03
The Food Research Club get some unexpected help with the campaign.
And there's some tension between half-sisters and Ojima got some kind of relationship with the teacher? Hm...
The Food Research Club get some unexpected help with the campaign.
And there's some tension between half-sisters and Ojima got some kind of relationship with the teacher? Hm...
If somebody told me it's a Trigger show I wouldn't believe them. Cause it looks so un-trigger like.
UltraGunner
Banned
What you talking about breh, G-reco's already on episode 2
Sir Blaming
Member
yeah, the op is by JAM project who also did the second opening for nobunaga the fool.
You know their shit is top tier everytime, all the time.
Basileus777
Member
Does Trigger even have an established "look?"
UltraGunner
Banned
When people say it looks Un-Trigger they probably mean "Why isn't Imaishi heading the project"
Sir Blaming
Member
Orenchi no Furo Jijou 1
Greatest OP for this season. Fucking rock for a show about a guy with other guy.
Greatest OP for this season. Fucking rock for a show about a guy with other guy.
NaDannMaGoGo
Member
Yeh that's pretty much it.
I'm well aware though that creating these kind of action pieces that are somewhat logical even in detail is one hell of a task and actually demanding that kind of quality in your average or heck, even good, production is borderline ignorant.
When it does happen though, it's a wonderful thing.
I recall going into Evangelion with the expectation of hating the mech combat sequences because the series was somewhat old and quite frankly, at that point I considered big robots fighting to be lame.
However, the fight against the first angel was actually really impressive to me and I think that's because the physics interaction you'd expect from such heavy hitters was pulled off superbly. Like I'd praise Diablo 3 for the fluid and meaty combat, it's also the impression I got there. It just felt right.
Of course the angels and Evas themselves are completely otherworldly. But the effects teh AT fields etc. had on the surroundings seemed right.
Another great example is of course Asuka's fight against the Prototypes in EoE.
Now going back to the giant wheel scene from Bahamut, it feels like they came up with the idea of a nice action sequence involving a giant wheel and put in enough work to make it somewhat plausible. Because if you want more realism it gets real tricky real quickly. For example, they obviously do not want any innocent bystander to die in that scene, shining the protagonists in a completely different light. Yet, making this more realistic means you actually gotta give a valid reason as to why that wheel is staying on course so well. Being somewhat robust build seems hardly enough for it to be THAT stable, not with that kind of street (even if it's a rolling wheel).
Well and then you have to come up with some more believable solutions for that. Or why the wheel seems to rotate so darn slowly so that Kaisar can have his stylish rise. And, while we're at it. Aren't our protagonists just darn lucky that no one gets in the way and ends up a smashed tomato? I mean, should I be expected to go into this action sequences thinking "Don't worry about the characterization. This is just for cool action
they aren't negligent assholes risking innocent lives." Because if so, that makes these setpieces inherently more lame.
If any, yet so crazy action sequence, actually manages to feel solid in those regards, I sure do appreciate that.
The show has Makina in it. thats all that matters.
It was actually not a bad episode as far as these things go but the character designs are very VN. Not memorable in the least.
A lot of great things have very humble beginnings. the power of low expectations.
EX-Driver!
Just watch the Wacky Races episode of Carnival Phantasm.
Hnnnnnnngh
BAHSAHKAH! CRUSH THEM ALL!
Probably for the best. Watch From the New World, Kavey
Inou Battle 01
Even the original Gainax wasn't constantly pumping out hits. They did a few things with Shaft like Mahoromatic and He Is My Master, for example. Then there's the matter of my new goal. There's innovation going on even in the things that are dismissed before they begin.
The idea of school and superpowers has probably existed since schools did, but that nothing is going to happen actually feels like a unique twist on it. I'm not sure how them having real powers makes it more "legit" than something like Chu2Koi, it merely means the stories are working towards different ends. One about escapism, and this one about... well, I'm not sure yet, but I think there may be something beneath - or within - the comedy.
The Yuujis and Tigres of the world are cool and all, but I'm glad there are people like Jurai around. Someone who's a natural actor, a huge dork and a slight breaker of the fourth wall. Having someone outside the club who's aware of their situation does add an interesting wrinkle to the story. Not sure who's my favorite yet, I always prefer characters more in groups than individually - it's all about how they play off each other.
The OP and ED are both alright, and I like what I see so far. Mixing magical powers with something both mundane and modern hasn't really been done like this before, and little shoutouts like Tomo's boxing gloves looking like Life Fibers are appreciated. I'm curious where this is going to go.
Even the original Gainax wasn't constantly pumping out hits. They did a few things with Shaft like Mahoromatic and He Is My Master, for example. Then there's the matter of my new goal. There's innovation going on even in the things that are dismissed before they begin.
The idea of school and superpowers has probably existed since schools did, but that nothing is going to happen actually feels like a unique twist on it. I'm not sure how them having real powers makes it more "legit" than something like Chu2Koi, it merely means the stories are working towards different ends. One about escapism, and this one about... well, I'm not sure yet, but I think there may be something beneath - or within - the comedy.
The Yuujis and Tigres of the world are cool and all, but I'm glad there are people like Jurai around. Someone who's a natural actor, a huge dork and a slight breaker of the fourth wall. Having someone outside the club who's aware of their situation does add an interesting wrinkle to the story. Not sure who's my favorite yet, I always prefer characters more in groups than individually - it's all about how they play off each other.
The OP and ED are both alright, and I like what I see so far. Mixing magical powers with something both mundane and modern hasn't really been done like this before, and little shoutouts like Tomo's boxing gloves looking like Life Fibers are appreciated. I'm curious where this is going to go.
Basileus777
Member
Inou-Battle 1
Yeah, this is exceedingly dull, even compared to the standard LN dreck we get every season. The MC's chuuni schtick is probably going to drive some people mad.
Yeah, this is exceedingly dull, even compared to the standard LN dreck we get every season. The MC's chuuni schtick is probably going to drive some people mad.
MikeHattsu
Member
Love, Election and Chocolate 04
There's enough candidates to choose from in the election at least.
What kind of school is this? Scholarship students can't join clubs, they have to work for the school in their spare time, and they get bullied as well. At least Satsuki from financial affairs wants to do something about it if she wins the election. Seems more important than preserving the nonsense clubs at the school
There's enough candidates to choose from in the election at least.
What kind of school is this? Scholarship students can't join clubs, they have to work for the school in their spare time, and they get bullied as well. At least Satsuki from financial affairs wants to do something about it if she wins the election. Seems more important than preserving the nonsense clubs at the school
Nice, Maya Uchida makes a cameo in Kamen Rider Drive.
Huh, I thought she looked familiar. Guess that explains it.
Inou Battle 1
Don't you undermine your entire premise when you
I don't actually know how I feel about this one. It's really dumb and the MC is just as bad as Yuuta was but there are parts of it I liked and there's signs of being able to do something interesting with this setup. Will have to wait and see.
Don't you undermine your entire premise when you
introduce an actual threat at the end of your first episode? Assuming it's not a bait-and-switch which I'm almost positive it is
I don't actually know how I feel about this one. It's really dumb and the MC is just as bad as Yuuta was but there are parts of it I liked and there's signs of being able to do something interesting with this setup. Will have to wait and see.
Colourful characters (literally). Can see the Trigger/Gainax nuances in the show, its easy to see that this is a stop-gap for Trigger until Ninja Slayer.
idk this show is kind of dumb, at least the MC isn't Onii-sama I guess.
how did the student council president
figure out her power was to steal other powers?
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
One of the much better harems IMO. And after reading the manga, I am excited for the anime adaptation. Hopefully its will retain what makes the manga enjoyable.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Tense start to the new season of Yowamushi a Pedal. I hope this season doesn't just cover the Inter High and new characters are introduced.......
PdotMichael
Banned
lol at the people who claimed that the magazine artworks for Amagi weren't accurate.
KyoAni delievered more than enough fanservice in the first episode.
KyoAni delievered more than enough fanservice in the first episode.
nice buns
Yowamushi Pedal Grande Road 1
There are still some characters to be introduced this Inter High.
One episode in and it feels like it never left. The pace is moving fairly well so far. If I had to guess I'd say the second day will be finished next episode or early in the episode after that. Of course, the post-ED shorts continue to be the best part of the show, they add a lot of fun characterisation that improves upon the manga. The only downside to this episode is that there was no Andy & Frank outside of the OP.
There are still some characters to be introduced this Inter High.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Please just let this be equivalent to a save round in a competitive CS:GO match
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