Escape Goat
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Appointing a member of the opposing party also helps share the blame when shit goes down. It's not like Obama made appointments only to please Republicans.
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Appointing a member of the opposing party also helps share the blame when shit goes down. It's not like Obama made appointments only to please Republicans.
I notice you never address my actual point of you having a bias as well when it's clear you do with your posting history in these topics being always the same. You don't directly support Trump, fine. Do you deny that you like to play the devil's advocate in these threads or at the very least see yourself as somewhere in the middle not wanting to pick sides? About my use of words, Ok you're right it doesn't mean that. I think my point was clear on that though regardless.
I think that's due to other factors. The dip started quite some time before this.
Lord Frieza
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I think you can take that both ways, but by painting the situation that Dems were happy at the results of the Press Conference, while Republicians were pissed, and now it's totally flipped is pretty deceiving I would say. Any kind of polarizing black and white statement like that generally is.
It's the same argument people use when they say, well the Democrats would do it too!
I mean of course the Democrats were happy with them not finding criminal charges. As a direct result we were happy with Comey, though some rightfully called him out for his finger wagging antics. I don't think that means Dems are hypocrites now with being upset with this new approach. It assumes Dems are hypocrites for the sake of the both sides argument without considering any larger context, like how most in his department disagreed with him here and that the election was 12 days away.
Speaking of Lincoln, fuck Andrew Johnson. Fuck his corpse with a dildo wrapped in barbed wire.
It's amazing how we went from one of our worst Presidents to our best President and then right back to one of our worsts.
Rentahamster
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You really don't need to try to pick a fight (for lack of a better turn of phrase; I don't mean it very harshly) when there's none to be had. See, this is the problem that you ran into from your first reply. You stuck all these potential labels on me from the beginning, and are arguing against those labels. It's a preconceived debate that's already been played out in your head. It makes you preconditioned to think that I'm not on your side when I'm actually closer than you might suspect.
Yeah a lot of people here would tell you otherwise but the polls were definitely tightening before this news.
Rentahamster
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If a lot of people see it that way, and then I point out that they are, along with making commentary about the nature of tribalistic and uninformed voting, what am I lying about?
Yeah that goes without saying. Dude was a monster too
newshinycd
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You'd respect Comey more if he outright lied to the American public?
You know, instead of respecting him if he'd done his job in a competent professional manner?
But I don't really care if you are on my side. I know your posting history. I see you post in these threads all the time. And you clearly have your own opinions and bias. So I would ask you not to call people out for theirs.
But fine, it's Halloween and I don't feel like going through our histories to try and prove the other wrong so let's just agree to disagree. I have a bias, I openly admit that. Bias against an orange turd.
Lord Frieza
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Silver did an article not too long after the story broke that we wouldn't really see the true effect on polls until this week. With 538, I think it's also always important to read this article from Silver himself and keep it in mind with the percentages he gives to Trump is much more "bullish" (his word, not mine) than other models. I don't say this to discredit Silver, but his unorthodox model has definitely lead to a lot more variation than most models. If you look at the NY Times Upshot or the Huffington Post forecast or Sam Wong's Princeton Election you'll see their forecasts have barely altered since the news broke. That's not to say they won't move at all, but they're not nearly as reactionary as Silver is.
Lord Frieza
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The reality of the situation? Or is that just not important at the end of the day?
Do you even sarcasm, bro?
Rentahamster
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You are again basing your opinion of me on something that I did not do. Please try to not misinterpret my words.
edit: and please, I have no interest in going over your internet posting history in order to win some kind of argument that I'm not even having.
He didn't really do his job in a competent or professional manner though.
Rentahamster
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It's very important. I was talking about the perception of that reality in the context of human emotion that we know very well has a very strong tendency to warp reality. This is why religion exists.
Yeah i think Rentahamster is generally genuine in his views and concerns and didnt find the question he asked sinister.
He was attempting to parse where one irrational bias ends and another begins. There is obviously danger in both. While i agree he mischaracterized the reaction to Comeys press conference and that this election is perhaps the only one in which there is no hyperbole large enough to emphasize how bad Trump is, i think the overall point was worth discussing.
He was attempting to parse where one irrational bias ends and another begins. There is obviously danger in both. While i agree he mischaracterized the reaction to Comeys press conference and that this election is perhaps the only one in which there is no hyperbole large enough to emphasize how bad Trump is, i think the overall point was worth discussing.
You are clearly saying people see things how they want to see things because of their own bias.
You then insinuate that Dems are being bias here, because they were happy about Comey's actions previously and are not now that he has turned on them. You are accusing people have having a political bias while ignoring larger context.
How am I misreading your first reply. Oh right sorry, you're just asking the question. Just some random thought you had, it doesn't apply to anybody here.
I then called you out for it, saying you have your own bias as well. And now we're here with you denying you even said the things you said to begin with.
Rentahamster
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Which I admitted in the same post could be due to not following this particular story very closely.
Perhaps I shouldn't have went on that tangent regarding brain stuff. It just interests me.
I can believe that, but then I take in to consideration that he always does this. So it's behavioral. I argue that it's not a genuine point.
I don't disagree with you or them though about the larger point. Bias should be considered, as long as people acknowledge their own bias they may have.
My question is, if it weren't for this email "scandal" what the fuck would the GOP be talking about in regards to HRC right now? Would they still be harping on Benghazi? What "smoking gun" would they have made up about her by this point without this? Because we all know when they think they have something, they latch onto it and talk about nothing else. So just what the fuck else would they be saying if it weren't for this?
I'm just hoping this doesn't hurt down-ballot at this point.
This is such a fucking mess.
I'm just hoping this doesn't hurt down-ballot at this point.
This is such a fucking mess.
Rentahamster
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Because that's not my first comment. This is:
And that is not the wording someone uses if that someone is trying to "call out" other people.
I am the same way. I think my mind works a little like yours if you dont mind me saying in that we can sometimes get really interested in these wonky nuanced subjects and that can make us occasionally lose sight of the larger picture. Makes it often seem like we are on a tangent or trying to deflect.
Saint Gregory
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I would have thought that the revelation over the weekend that the FBI was aware of the existence of these emails for months would have ended the debate about Comey's motivations by now.
It's a little hard to say definitively whether this has hurt Clinton in a substantial way. The polls were always expected to tighten as Election Day got closer, so that might be what's happening. However, shifting the narrative to Clinton's misdeeds or lack thereof isn't going to be beneficial to her campaign. She wants it squarely to be on Trump and all of the crazy things that he's up to. On the flip side, when she wins the presidency, she now has license to not only kick Comey's ass, but to outright purge the FBI, so it's not 100% bad news.
Yeah, it's an esoteric issue, and that's why most of the public has tuned it out ages ago.
Not entirely; Comey apparently didn't know about them until Thursday. It doesn't really matter though, and Comey is still going to be toast.
Fair enough. But it's the words people use though to give them an out to not be associated with the questions they ask even if they themselves actually think that way. And yes you always do this Ask the questions. It's also arguing a both sides are the same argument in the guise of some larger point. No, they are not the same.
newshinycd
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With Trump and his minions running around online it's hard to differentiate. 2016 is the year of Poe's law in full force.
Can we please just get this year over with?
Maybe I'm not really in the know of proper protocol .. but if they had these emails for months, wouldn't they know if the content of these emails were INDEED incriminating. If the public HAD to know this info before voting .. shouldn't this have been in the public months ago?
8 more days. Sigh I can't wait. I was genuinely excited about this election but now I will not be looking forward to the next one. It's ugly. Republicans make it ugly when the best they can do is Donald Trump.
JHoNNy1OoO
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Not even sharing. Just Classified information from anyone or anything somehow making it to her server. Since then the GOP have said she hid/deleted evidence.
maquiladora
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Pretty much.
RPGCrazied
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He is going to resign today, right?
ryutaro's mama
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The major networks aren't hitting him hard so far. They are continuing to take a "well, we don't know what's there" position from what I see.
teruterubozu
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lol no. Why do you keep saying this?
I thought CNN did a decent job this morning. The early morning guy basically told Cory that what Trump was saying is BS and the FBI just doesn't do that.
RPGCrazied
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Cause he is playing favorites in this election. That is a no no, he needs to step down or be removed.
Saint Gregory
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I missed the aspect of the story that Comey discovered this on Thursday but I'm not sure what's worse, the idea that he sat on it for months or that he jumped the gun with so little information.
The NYAG office had apparently already reviewed the evidence in the emails. If there were something crazy contained in them we'd know by now.
Which makes little sense considering the FBI did find some classified info. Why would they have deleted some but not all of the supposedly damning evidence?
Rentahamster
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Then we're in agreement that you got annoyed at me for something you imagined I wrote. Which is, oddly enough, relevant to the point I was making.
That's actually a sign of confirmation bias and/or cognitive dissonance. You imagined me as some sort of shifty ambiguous questioner person, and then subconsciously misinterpreted the reality of my words to fit your label of me that was already in your head. We can't keep doing this to each other.
And yes, I do like to ask the questions. I asked Ami that question because I wanted to pick his brain about how he comes to grip with his own bouts of cognitive dissonance because he's got a good brain and I wanted tips. And lucky me, four people were kind enough to chime in with their thoughts.
GregLombardi
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My immediate impression of all this is that it is so fucking corrupt, that I am wondering when we will find out about the amount of money Comey was paid to stop caring about his job and advertise for a political party.
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Not going to happen before the election
If Comey decides to resign he'll wait until after the election. He's already done enough to screw it up.
Jumping the gun is by far worse. At least if he knew some pertinent information it might be worth the backlash to release it, but he literally has nothing at this point.
I don't know what the hell was going on in Comey's mind, but I get the feeling that he thought that he was doing the right thing and had no idea that it would all blow up like this. He assuredly wasn't getting paid for this, but he acted like he was.
If he resigns they can claim that "the evil Democrats" are trying to bury the truth, that "the establishment" is controlling everything. That's a last-minute gambit.
Joke aside, Comey probably tried to walk the line and failed. Then again, as a European, what do I know?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I think he was trying to avoid the situation where he said nothing and then shortly after Clinton becomes president some big bombshell drops - but he didn't handle it well by making a vague announcement right before the election.
Crimson_Gold
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I think he will stay on because allowing for that narrative to start will only exacerbate things from all sides. Better to ride it out and walk away after it is all said and done
I wasn't really serious.
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