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[B4s5C]

Do you really think that Comey has some secret evidence that Clinton has committed a crime, while simultaneously saying she shouldn't be prosecuted for anything, while simultaneously telling his own employees that he hasn't even read the latest emails, while simultaneously using rhetoric that hurts her as much as possible without actually accusing her of anything?

We can speculate on Comey's motives, but one thing is for certain: Comey doesn't have evidence of anything.

I don't know what to think besides that Clinton is innocent until proven guilty. I am ignorant of what is going on within the FBI but I find it highly unlikely based on what I have read and understand about Comey to believe that he is a huge Trump supporter, trying to tip the election in his favor.

 

[Box]

So, I think this was suggested before but what if Comey did this because he's been under a lot of pressure from the right to be tough on Hillary and he doesn't want to look like he's covering things up? I feel like that's been his modus operandi during this whole email nonsense. He's been very tough and somewhat unprofessional on this to convince Republicans he's being impartial.

 

[B4s5C]

So, I think this was suggested before but what if Comey did this because he's been under a lot of pressure from the right to be tough on Hillary and he doesn't want to look like he's covering things up? I feel like that's been his modus operandi during this whole email nonsense. He's been very tough and somewhat unprofessional on this to convince Republicans he's being impartial.

If nothing is found then good.

Republicans can waste their time fighting invisible Clinton skeletons while progressives are making the moves to make lives better for people that Republicans hate.

 

[RustyNails]

When was the last time anyone gave a shit about the FBI? Thanks FBI! Thanks for selectively investigating our politicians because you made yourselves look foolish! Thanks for stopping all of those terror attacks like the Orlando shooting - oh wait. Thanks for stopping all of those crazy shootings like Newtown! And thanks for stopping all of those other "terror attacks" where you just basically framed people. Fuck my fourth amendment, right? Pleeeeeaaase fuck off.

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[4Tran]

But if it had been, "OK, we now have complete proof that Ted Cruz is not the Zodiac killer, and that Hillary was, and that she's been framing Ted for decades thinking there's no way you idiots would ever nominate Donald Trump." would that be ok? I have a feeling even that would be a bit unethical from the FBI.

Hey, if the FBI has evidence, then it's their duty to reveal information like that. And that's the problem with Comey's letter - it was written without any consideration for the evidence the FBI had.

You can't be serious. This narrative that Comey has been wildly unfair and biased AGAINST Clinton this entire time is frankly ridiculous on its face.

Comey doesn't have to gun after Clinton the whole time to earn his castigation; this current stunt is plenty ugly by itself.

I don't know what to think besides that Clinton is innocent until proven guilty. I am ignorant of what is going on within the FBI but I find it highly unlikely based on what I have read and understand about Comey to believe that he is a huge Trump supporter, trying to tip the election in his favor.

At this point, the FBI has no evidence against her because they just started this part of the investigation yesterday.

 

[Crayon]

This is the worst. It's so pathetic. It's got me down.

 

[Adaren]

I don't know what to think besides that Clinton is innocent until proven guilty. I am ignorant of what is going on within the FBI but I find it highly unlikely based on what I have read and understand about Comey to believe that he is a huge Trump supporter, trying to tip the election in his favor.

Well, if we've eliminated malicious election-influencing and altruistic trying-to-reveal-the-truth-without-actually-revealing-any-evidence, we can always fall back on our third explanation:

Comey was super dumb today, and put minimal critical thought into how his careless words would be interpreted.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

So, I think this was suggested before but what if Comey did this because he's been under a lot of pressure from the right to be tough on Hillary and he doesn't want to look like he's covering things up? I feel like that's been his modus operandi during this whole email nonsense. He's been very tough and somewhat unprofessional on this to convince Republicans he's being impartial.

He continues to throw his party red meat just because he can. (which has the potential to backfire in this instance)

 

[B4s5C]

At this point, the FBI has no evidence against her because they just started this part of the investigation yesterday.

And, like I said, she is innocent until proven guilty.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

You can't be serious. This narrative that Comey has been wildly unfair and biased AGAINST Clinton this entire time is frankly ridiculous on its face.

You could just as easily argue the opposite. (e.g. http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-ally-aids-campaign-of-fbi-officials-wife-1477266114)

But I'm sure that's "nothing" or it's been "debunked", or something. Everything's fine! They investigated themselves, and cleared themselves of any wrongdoing! Nothing to see here.

Clinton's friend donated to a the wife of the FBI director? That is some six degrees of separation shit. The FBI director himself is Republican, and has managed this file entirely in competently, breaking many precious precedents that were in place so as to not politicize the FBI. He's either inept or malicious. There's nothing positive to say here.

 

[Dsyndrome]

He continues to throw his party red meat just because he can. (which has the potential to backfire in this instance)

That's exactly why he did this. /s

 

[prag16]

Comey was super dumb today, and put minimal critical thought into how his careless words would be interpreted.

Was this more, or less careless than Hillary's mishandling of classified material?

 

[Amir0x]

Again, I believe you are responding out of your own bias by calling him a political hack. He is Obama's FBI Director. I can think outside of the box and try to understand that there may be other circumstances that I may be ignorant about that is directing his behavior. I am NOT going to decry him or call him a hack because what he did might lose Clinton's a point or two in national polls when she is already ahead by 10+. Its delusional to believe that this is what is going to sink the Clinton campaign and especially delusional that this belief comes from an Obama administration FBI director. No one risks their career and credibility over something so unsure and for a narcissist that many Republicans hate.

He already factually did so during the first press conference where he repeatedly slammed Clinton for being careless despite not indicting her. I repeat: that was unprecedented. He completely politicized the email investigation from the jump. Lifelong experts of the FBI were in shock over his partisan behavior.

So we already know "Obama's FBI director" has no qualms inappropriately using his position as a political pulpit. That is a fact.

Now he does this, knowing he has seen ZERO PIECES OF EVIDENCE, something he knows is unusual and makes no sense... Eleven days out from election. And you want me to give this fucking idiot the benefit of doubt? Sorry im not a gullible moron. Doesnt take much to see this is part of a pattern of Comeys political ineptitude.

He needs to be fired and thank God in a few months he will be.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

That's exactly why he did this. /s

Care to clarify, since Comey himself is unable to competently do so?

 

[ShironRedshift]

Was this more, or less careless than Hillary's mishandling of classified material?

Interesting that you bring that up, since that framing also comes directly from Comey and was another example of him being as blatantly partisan and making things look as bad as he could given he had nothing that he could actually indict her on.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

He already factually did so during the first press conference where he repeatedly slammed Clinton for being careless despite not indicting her.

But it was careless. Comey characterized Clinton's system as it is. To do otherwise would've been a failure, and had Clinton still been a public servant there would've been repercussions--just not criminal ones.

 

[4Tran]

And, like I said, she is innocent until proven guilty.

That only applies if a person is accused of, or suspect of a crime. At this point, there's not the slightest shred of evidence against Clinton. It's figuratively all hot air blown up into a story through the reckless action of Comey.

Was this more, or less careless than Hillary's mishandling of classified material?

Vastly more careless.

 

[Box]

He continues to throw his party red meat just because he can. (which has the potential to backfire in this instance)

I mean the media does the same thing, right? They've drummed up non-stories about this email stuff, overcompensating to convince people that they're unbiased. It's kind of unprofessional but you wouldn't say they're deliberately trying to influence the election.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

But it was careless. Comey characterized Clinton's system as it is. To do otherwise would've been a failure.

Failure of what? It's not the FBI's job to pass value judgements on the people they're investigating.

Imagine the FBI were investigating you, found you innocent, but then subsequently held an entire press conference debasing your character. It's unprecedented.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

But it was careless. Comey characterized Clinton's system as it is. To do otherwise would've been a failure.

It was Comey participating in the politicizing of the FBI in a unprecedented manner, that's what it was.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

Failure of what? It's not the FBI's job to pass value judgements on the people they're investigating.

Imagine the FBI were investigating you, found you innocent, but then subsequently held an entire press conference debasing your character. It's unprecedented.

The FBI doesn't find somebody guilty or innocent of anything. They investigated, presented their findings---characterizing them accurately--and made their recommendation to not indict.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

The FBI doesn't find somebody guilty or innocent of anything.

That's beside the point.

The FBI doesn't find somebody guilty or innocent of anything. They investigated, presented their findings---characterizing them accurately--and made their recommendation to not indict.

It is not the job of the FBI to present those "findings" (which weren't findings) to the public and characterize them (in such a partisan nature).

From announcing there was an investigation at all, to announcing the investigation had ended, to announcing why it ended, to announcing that the case has been reopened, all of this is unprecedented for the FBI, much less in a presidential year.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I mean the media does the same thing, right? They've drummed up non-stories about this email stuff, overcompensating to convince people that they're unbiased. It's kind of unprofessional but you wouldn't say they're deliberately trying to influence the election.

You don't compare the media to the FBI, especially when what "the media" encapsulates is incredibly broad, and in some cases, is very much in the tank for certain policies and parties. (or simply for a horse-race narrative they can push for ratings)

 

[Amir0x]

But it was careless. Comey characterized Clinton's system as it is. To do otherwise would've been a failure, and had Clinton still been a public servant there would've been repercussions--just not criminal ones.

Edit: just saw your latest post. So it seems you are just ignorant about how these things are supposed to go. Least that is forgivable, you dont actually have a clue.

The press conference he held was widely panned and unprecedented and broke the FBI tradition that if it is not in an indictment, you dont say anything at all. He used his speech as a pulpit to cause political damage to Hillary. Everyone knew it, which is why experts in the field were disgusted. That is NOT the job of the FBI director.

He is a partisan hack, a loser and clearly incompetent. And his actions today proved it again.

When he gets fired - and the clock is ticking on that now - im going to celebrate seeing that moron stripped of power.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Was this more, or less careless than Hillary's mishandling of classified material?

If a month from now they update us and tell us they found nothing of value and this had an impact on election, what will your feelings be? There's no do-over or second chances, that's what makes this dangerous.

 

[Earthstrike]

So this already fizzled out to be nothing so quickly?

 

[Joe T.]

Hillary only has herself to blame for this one.

I have a hard time sympathizing with presidential candidates that spend so much time slinging dirt at each other, whether directly or by proxy. This entire election is an embarrassment and makes me wonder how the two party system has stood unchallenged for so long.

 

[Amir0x]

So this already fizzled out to be nothing so quickly?

Until Comey releases a new memo saying they found a roll of toilet paper in humas bathroom which may or may not have been used by Hillary to wipe her ass. Or smother Vince Foster. The investigation is ongoing, but he felt the need to share that we are looking at things.

 

[Dsyndrome]

Care to clarify, since Comey himself is unable to competently do so?

Dude, lighten up. It was his job. Just because you have an obvious vested interest in this doesn't mean he needs to specify his preliminary findings to you. Not everyone is trying to subvert you're queen-candidate.

 

[Amir0x]

Hillary only has herself to blame for this one.

I have a hard time sympathizing with presidential candidates that spend so much time slinging dirt at each other, whether directly or by proxy. This entire election is an embarrassment and makes me wonder how the two party system has stood unchallenged for so long.

Choo chooo both sides chooooo

 

[Box]

You don't compare the media to the FBI, especially when what "the media" encapsulates is incredibly broad, and in some cases, is very much in the tank for certain policies and parties. (or simply for a horse-race narrative they can push for ratings)

How about NPR? I think it was when the Access Hollywood tape was leaked, there was a dump from WikiLeaks. They covered both stories at the same time even though the Access Hollywood tape was a much bigger deal. They even said on air that they felt they had to cover both even though they didn't think they were equally important. It's something they did to try to appear unbiased. It's not just for ratings or pushing an agenda.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Dude, lighten up. It was his job. Just because you have an obvious vested interest in this doesn't mean he needs to specify his preliminary findings to you. Not everyone is trying to subvert you're queen-candidate.

What "preliminary findings"?. and "his job"?. I asked for clarity, not fuckery.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Dude, lighten up. It was his job. Just because you have an obvious vested interest in this doesn't mean he needs to specify his preliminary findings to you. Not everyone is trying to subvert you're queen-candidate.

I just keep coming back to one question and it's difficult to understand. If it comes back in a month that they found nothing and move on, who was served by this? What justice was done? What was gained by society other than a distorted election?

If he had something of value to report that's one thing but he is not saying anything one way or the other and letting speculation run wild. That seems kind of irresponsible given his job.

 

[Dsyndrome]

What "preliminary findings"?. and "his job"?. I asked for clarity, not fuckery.

You have have as much idea as I have, which is is fuck all. He's the goddamn head of the FBI, he doesn't owe a thing to you.
All i'm going to say is that security clearance is a hell of a drug.

 

[Monocle]

Hillary only has herself to blame for this one.

I have a hard time sympathizing with presidential candidates that spend so much time slinging dirt at each other, whether directly or by proxy. This entire election is an embarrassment and makes me wonder how the two party system has stood unchallenged for so long.

Yeah Trump gets such a bad rap. What's up with that? What is it about Donald Trump that makes liberals criticize the numerous well-documented awful things he has said and done?

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

You have have as much idea as I have, which is is fuck all. He's the goddamn head of the FBI, he doesn't owe a thing to you.

Pretty sure he owes us a lot given that he's an employee of the government and the government serves the people.

 

[Dsyndrome]

Pretty sure he owes us a lot given that he's an employee of the government and the government serves the people.

Maybe not to your liking. You'll never know.

 

[Xe4]

The only blowback she'd get is from people who already hate her and Democrats.

Hillary is not as naive to the game of Politics as Obama. If Comey is still around when she takes office (big if), guaranteed she forces his ass out.

Fuck the blowback, she has governing to do.

This accomplishes the very opposite. Clinton has just been given more than enough rope to hang him. And her statement in response is a signal that she will do just that. There's no way that Clinton can keep Comey on as the head of the FBI, so he's toast.

Fair enough. I suppose Clinton has to play the game of controversy now vs. controversy later. If she fires him immediately, there's a controversy, whilst if she keeps him on, there will be more controversies in the future.

You are wrong. Not all of it was marked but classified info went both ways on the server.

Clinton never authored classified information, is what I was getting at. The majority of chains she never even responded to, and the ones she did were either reply's or forwards.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

You have have as much idea as I have, which is is fuck all. He's the goddamn head of the FBI, he doesn't owe a thing to you.
All i'm going to say is that security clearance is a hell of a drug.

Here's what we do know:

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Maybe not to your liking. You'll never know.

I just want the facts. I'd rather have an election decided on the facts than on rumor and speculation. All we have now is a leader of an American institution saying it could be nothing or something and nobody knows but I thought I'd give you all a vague update and let imagination do the rest. I don't see any standard by which that's somehow a good thing.

 

[Adaren]

How about NPR? I think it was when the Access Hollywood tape was leaked, there was a dump from WikiLeaks. They covered both stories at the same time even though the Access Hollywood tape was a much bigger deal. They even said on air that they felt they had to cover both even though they didn't think they were equally important. It's something they did to try to appear unbiased. It's not just for ratings or pushing an agenda.

This is slightly off-topic, but I really hope we get some good post-election analysis of the massive amount of false balance that's been going on this election season, both in the media and in the mind of many voters.

 

[gutter_trash]

I hope Obama fires Comey after the election

 

[Metroidvania]

Pointing out there are a lot of possible scenarios and not advocating death to the FBI director is as sane as I will be and I will hold that mark proudly if it means not falling in line with groupthink over whether or not something is politically motivated or not.

So....who's actually been doing this in this thread? Cause I don't see anyone calling for his literal head.

Calling for his resignation for a potential abuse/violation of the Hatch Act < 60 days in the election cycle, sure, but death?

Odd false flag to try and prop yourself up on.

That being said, I'm torn on whether or not Comey was political, or just really, really inept at realizing just how misconstruable his letter was.

Going off of his previous 'no indicment, but CARELESS' bullshit press conference, I'm doubting the latter moreso than not.

 

[Dsyndrome]

Here's what we do know:

Roger, let's discredit the head of the FBI. Where else can we go... can you help me?

 

[Clockwork5]

This whole thing from the FBI today has nothing to do will Hillary at all this is what makes me angry.

So emails sent and received via Hillary Clinton's private email server which she was not authorized to arrange, and by virtue of FBI investigation may have criminal implications, have nothing to do with Hillary Clinton?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Roger, let's discredit the head of the FBI. Where else can we go... can you help me?

He's already doing that to himself.

 

[4Tran]

Fair enough. I suppose Clinton has to play the game of controversy now vs. controversy later. If she fires him immediately, there's a controversy, whilst if she keeps him on, there will be more controversies in the future.

I doubt that there would be any controversy at all aside from the typical Breitbart-ish hysteria. It's obvious that she can't use Comey as the director of the FBI, he's exhibited extremely poor judgement, and he's possibly lost the support of the rest of the FBI. There's a litany of reasons for Clinton to get kick him to the curb, and few reasonable people would blame her for doing so.

 

[Chumley]

Add the actual FBI to the list of people who think Comey is a fuckwit, unless the b4s and diablos of the world want to claim legit reporters are lying.

 

[Dsyndrome]

He's already doing that to himself.

Fuck man, stop being partisan. What has he said that's partisan in your opinion? Let HillDawg go!

 

[Adaren]

So emails sent and received via Hillary Clinton's private email server which she was not authorized to arrange, and by virtue of FBI investigation may have criminal implications, have nothing to do with Hillary Clinton?

...I thought this didn't have anything to do with her email server?