FBI reviewing emails found on devices used by Weiner/Abedin

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There would have been an issue if Clinton won them Come said there was a further investigation which he was made aware of prior to the election.
 
Kathian said:
There would have been an issue if Clinton won them Come said there was a further investigation which he was made aware of prior to the election.
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As opposed to announcing something that could end up being meaningless and letting an election be decided on it? How are people ever going to have faith in the government or the FBI if that's what ends up happening and Trump wins?

They better hope they find the elusive bombshell they couldn't find anywhere else because if the election is decided on this and they find nothing it will be a complete disaster.
 
Kathian said:
There would have been an issue if Clinton won them Come said there was a further investigation which he was made aware of prior to the election.
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Yeah, he did that right thing, that's why he's most likely considered a fucking pariah right now in the Bureau. Comey is a twat injecting himself unnecessarily into the election. ONCE AGAIN.
 
Yamauchi said:
Who in the world said there were only 3 emails? Huma is HRC's right-hand woman, and they have thousands of her emails. That was in the first day's report from the Washington Post. Good to get better confirmation, though:

"The latest development began in early October when New York-based FBI officials notified Andrew McCabe, the bureau’s second-in-command, that while investigating Mr. Weiner for possibly sending sexually charged messages to a minor, they had recovered a laptop with 650,000 emails. Many, they said, were from the accounts of Ms. Abedin, according to people familiar with the matter."

Also

"In their initial review of the laptop, the metadata showed many messages, apparently in the thousands, that were either sent to or from the private email server at Mrs. Clinton’s home that had been the focus of so much investigative effort for the FBI."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/laptop-...o-hillary-clintons-private-server-1477854957/
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I don't remember where it came from originally, but at some point it was being touted that there were 3 new e-mails, but that was very early on when no one knew what the fuck was going on.

Kathian said:
There would have been an issue if Clinton won them Come said there was a further investigation which he was made aware of prior to the election.
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The issue with this line of thinking is that it's, ultimately, a partisan view. The FBI should not worry about partisanship, and that's one of the main reasons this is raising so many bells.

Bam Bam Baklava said:
As opposed to announcing something that could end up being meaningless and letting an election be decided on it? How are people ever going to have faith in the government or the FBI if that's what ends up happening and Trump wins?

They better hope they find the elusive bombshell they couldn't find anywhere else because if the election is decided on this and they find nothing it will be a complete disaster.
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Well, realistically, it's way too late in the game, and this will take too long, for the Presidential election to be decided on this. It's probably more effective on the congress side more than anything.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
As opposed to announcing something that could end up being meaningless and letting an election be decided on it? How are people ever going to have faith in the government or the FBI if that's what ends up happening and Trump wins?

They better hope they find the elusive bombshell they couldn't find anywhere else because if the election is decided on this and they find nothing it will be a complete disaster.
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I mean, not for Comey. He was trying to help Trump, so if Trump somehow won, he'd be happy.
 
avaya said:
What was Obama's reason for appointing a fucking Republican to this position in 2013?
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Bam Bam Baklava said:
As opposed to announcing something that could end up being meaningless and letting an election be decided on it? How are people ever going to have faith in the government or the FBI if that's what ends up happening and Trump wins?

They better hope they find the elusive bombshell they couldn't find anywhere else because if the election is decided on this and they find nothing it will be a complete disaster.
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Because it'll be the Trump brigade calling the shots and Comey gets to keep his job if that doomsday scenario happens.

If anything, I wonder if this was a move to save himself from his inevitable departure.
 
Do government workers need to keep their emails saved to personal machines or something? I don't understand what it means for an email to be "on" a computer. Are these downloaded for offline viewing? Is this PC the only access point for that particular address?
 
Red said:
Do government workers need to keep their emails saved to personal machines or something? I don't understand what it means for an email to be "on" a computer. Are these downloaded for offline viewing? Is this PC the only access point for that particular address?
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Shortly before I was out of the army, the only way to access my account was through a chip card reader for my ID. If your GSA account was similar I can see how annoying that could be.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
This situation is as good of a reason as any for either complete transparency or none at all because this piecemeal bullshit just invites nothing but erroneous reporting based on "sources" or just plain internet rumors like whatever this post is talking about.
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Complete transparency, what a concept.

It's a shame Clinton seems to take the "none at all" course.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
This situation is as good of a reason as any for either complete transparency or none at all because this piecemeal bullshit just invites nothing but erroneous reporting based on "sources" or just plain internet rumors like whatever this post is talking about.
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That's the biggest evidence to me that Comey's doing this with intent to influence the election, not to be transparent.

If he was really trying to be transparent, he could have at least added the fact that they were still "seeking access to the emails" and not making it sound like they were currently looking through new evidence that they found possibly incriminating.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
As opposed to announcing something that could end up being meaningless and letting an election be decided on it? How are people ever going to have faith in the government or the FBI if that's what ends up happening and Trump wins?

They better hope they find the elusive bombshell they couldn't find anywhere else because if the election is decided on this and they find nothing it will be a complete disaster.
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The problem here though is your seeing it from your POV.

Hurting Hilary. Bad FBI.
Letting Hilary off. Bad FBI.

Two different groups will see from their POV. Let's cut something else as well - people are panicked because;

a) Whilst many Dems don't agree with or understand why the email story is so toxic they do know it hurts her. They don't want it in the press whatsoever. It will impact some voters; whether it impacts the electoral result is a much bigger question but I think the anti FBI stuff is in itself driven by party polotics. I mean is the suggestion he wants Trump to win?

b) The debates. Trump went in limping and came out limping. Which is saying something considering the position he's in - he should have been dead. Was a big missed oppurtunity - Clinton just seems to be struggling to sell.

If she was up against Romney rather than Trump there might be some discontent but let's be honest - this is about the possibility of Trump winning and less about Clinton not winning. Thats folks main motivation and anger and people would want (and I think sounds like expected) the FBI to be helpful in that direction.

Personally I think she'll be alright. Couple days to go (I think the attack FBI thing is weak as they are clearly hitting back - all this does is stretches out how many days this is the main story), story will move on - she'll go on the offensive against Trump and I think she'll get her voters out. But I don't think there is a evil Pro Trump cabal in the FBI.
 
Toxi said:
If anything, he just ensured his departure.
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How? With Clinton coming in, there was little doubt that she would appoint someone new to his position even before this mess happened.

With Trump, there's a pretty good chance he keeps his job. Why would he get fired if Trump wins? The Republicans might throw him a freaking party if this influences even just the down ballot votes.
 
I guess Comey's appointment is the parable of the snake but with a sprinkling of "don't tread on me "

No bipartisan deed goes unpunished.


Btw comey isn't interested in keeping his job - he's interested in post election consulting and board appointments.

He salted the earth.
 
StrikeNinja24 said:
How? With Clinton coming in, there was little doubt that she would appoint someone new to his position even before this mess happened.

With Trump, there's a pretty good chance he keeps his job. Why would he get fired if Trump wins? The Republicans might throw him a freaking party if this influences even just the down ballot votes.
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Didn't Trump threaten to throw Comey in jail?
 
Red said:
Do government workers need to keep their emails saved to personal machines or something? I don't understand what it means for an email to be "on" a computer. Are these downloaded for offline viewing? Is this PC the only access point for that particular address?
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Typically emails are stored on a server (which was since wiped clean by Clinton's aides). An email client is then used to sync with said server which downloads any new emails for the user to view. Your phone for instance does the same thing if you have an email account set up.
 
Kathian said:
The problem here though is your seeing it from your POV.

Hurting Hilary. Bad FBI.
Letting Hilary off. Bad FBI.

Two different groups will see from their POV. Let's cut something else as well - people are panicked because;

a) Whilst many Dems don't agree with or understand why the email story is so toxic they do know it hurts her. They don't want it in the press whatsoever. It will impact some voters; whether it impacts the electoral result is a much bigger question but I think the anti FBI stuff is in itself driven by party polotics. I mean is the suggestion he wants Trump to win?

b) The debates. Trump went in limping and came out limping. Which is saying something considering the position he's in - he should have been dead. Was a big missed oppurtunity - Clinton just seems to be struggling to sell.

If she was up against Romney rather than Trump there might be some discontent but let's be honest - this is about the possibility of Trump winning and less about Clinton not winning. Thats folks main motivation and anger and people would want (and I think sounds like expected) the FBI to be helpful in that direction.

Personally I think she'll be alright. Couple days to go (I think the attack FBI thing is weak as they are clearly hitting back - all this does is stretches out how many days this is the main story), story will move on - she'll go on the offensive against Trump and I think she'll get her voters out. But I don't think there is a evil Pro Trump cabal in the FBI.
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Except announcing you have something or nothing at all leaves us all completely empty handed. What are we supposed to infer from that? What benefit do the voters gain from this? Should we be aware that they are looking into the Clinton foundation or Trump's ties to Russia before they finish with those too?

If they conclude they find something after looking into it, you can still impeach her right then and there. If they announce it was nothing and walk away, the election doesn't get a redo.
 
thepotatoman said:
Wait, Comey withheld information about Trump's ties to Putin?

That seems like big news, if only to point out the double standard.
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This is known, at least that they had some information related to it. However the FBI didn't say what they had. At the time it was thought to be Manafort stuff.
 
Is this some sort of ploy by Comey to keep his position?

I mean now that he's got a large part of the republicans hard again, him getting fired after Clinton wins would be seen as a political move and might keep him in the position longer?

Or is he thinking about running for office or some shit in the future?

Or am I just completely off base about this fuckery.
 
PSGames said:
Typically emails are stored on a server (which was since wiped clean by Clinton's aides). An email client is then used to sync with said server which downloads any new emails for the user to view. Your phone for instance does the same thing if you have an email account set up.
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Right. I assumed government officials' emails could be subpoenaed and retrieved from a server. But the language used in these articles makes it sound like client machines are the only place these emails exist.
 
tuxfool said:
This is known, at least that they had some information related to it. However the FBI didn't say what they had. At the time it was thought to be Manafort stuff.
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Reid is saying FBI has "explosive information" regarding Trump/Pence 2016 Campaign's coordination with the Russian government. I think that goes beyond Manafort's past. This is huge imo.
 
dave is ok said:
Fox News reported that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiBZYccLM2g
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oh cool, Fox News is casually repeating nonsense conspiracy theories that even the_donald is telling people to be skeptical of https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5a2skw/folder_titled_life_insurance_with_10000_emails/

Apparently it originated from a random comment on a blog (unsourced, because of course) and later got picked up by twitter bots?

Way to go, journalism. I was wondering why my mom has been ranting about a life insurance folder all day.
 
Red said:
Right. I assumed government officials' emails could be subpoenaed and retrieved from a server. But the language used in these articles makes it sound like client machines are the only place these emails exist.
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This is false in the case that there are emails on the phone that were previously present on the server but were deleted or destroyed prior to the investigation.
 
RustyNails said:
Reid is saying FBI has "explosive information" regarding Trump/Pence 2016 Campaign's coordination with the Russian government. I think that goes beyond Manafort's past. This is huge imo.
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I hope Reid has iron clad info about this, because if true, that's going to explode bigger than anything ever in American politics, including Watergate or the Iran Contra scandal.
And a lot of people might end up in jail over this.

And not the fake "lock her up" kind.
 
RustyNails said:
Reid is saying FBI has "explosive information" regarding Trump/Pence 2016 Campaign's coordination with the Russian government. I think that goes beyond Manafort's past. This is huge imo.
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He doesn't know what they have, nobody knows.

It does however put the Directors action into context. We only knew about this information through unspecified leaks, not through an official statement.
 
DirtyManos said:
Is this some sort of ploy by Comey to keep his position?

I mean now that he's got a large part of the republicans hard again, him getting fired after Clinton wins would be seen as a political move and might keep him in the position longer?

Or is he thinking about running for office or some shit in the future?

Or am I just completely off base about this fuckery.
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I'm pretty sure Clinton is not going to give a shit if people view this as a political move. Especially after all the shit she has been through, and what the GOP has done in the last 8 years.
 
Wow.. imagine if someone leaked that shit on Putin/Trump and it implicated his campaign having serious ties and HELP from Russia, as I said earlier lol. That's one thing which may well land him not only outside the Whitehouse, but put people in jail and make those Republicans supporting him and ignoring his Putin rhetoric look crazy.

FBI been so leaky so far, lets just keep it going, someone leak that shit.
 
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