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I watch RAW in the build up to something exciting. Sometimes I'll just have it on in the background. Sometimes I won't even watch. It all depends on whether they're doing stuff I want to see, basically. I didn't watch this week, but I watched last week (mainly so I'd be ready for the Triple H interview which was excellent).

If you don't stress too much about whether or not a wrestler you like is being treated like 'the guy' or not, it's way more enjoyable I find.

Tyson Kidd and Cesaro may not be at the top of the card, but I still get to see them wrestle, and whether they get the pin or not, bell to bell that's good TV. I'm not remotely bored of Rusev and Lana. Dean Ambrose still makes me laugh wherever he is on the card.

You know? I was asking in the NXT Rival thread over in OT if anyone still doubted Kevin Owens at this point, and the response I got was 'Yeah, well Vince will never push him as the top guy' and it's like... so?

It reminded me of that conversation in here about how Dean Ambrose wasn't going to be a main eventer, when he was main eventing pay per views.

Eh, I guess some people don't like the mid card, or only care about the title or who goes on last. That's not me though. And there's a lot to like in an average episode of RAW when you aren't worrying about who is (Kane) or isn't (Cesaro) in the main event.

 

[serenewarfare]

I think that while the "Cena got booed and people still watch" and "Hogan got booed and people still watched", you can't ignore the fact that when they pushed a guy who was loved by everyone, they had their hottest run ever. So yes, while business won't end if you push a guy some people hate, business could boom if you push a guy everyone likes.

But they don't even call basic shit. At most they'll call a suplex. A vertical suplex, any other suplex gets called a "throw".
Ambrose throws a lariat and all they say is "AMBROSE". Does he have a lariat called "The Ambrose"? Actually they generally have this weird obsession with saying everyone's name over and over. I don't know if that's supposed to be some kind of branding thing where they're trying to make sure any new viewers (hah!) know the names, but it's annoying as hell.

What is their purpose if they're not commentating? They come off like they don't know anything.

If I remember correctly, Vince/Dunn want commentary to be "conversational". If you call too many moves, then you are not "relating with the fans" and some people might get confused. In other words, we ain't wrasslin' dammit.

 

[Sephzilla]

This one's ok
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Big_Papi_/pwuright.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Emi7rj3Uec0/UemFPCZRfiI/AAAAAAAAN3Q/cx31wUpVXNE/s1600/triple-h-nod.gif

Clearly meant to remind people of the winged eagle belt. I approve

 

[Fox318]

Fave Five Most Undeserving Champs
1- David Arquette as WCW Champ
This move pretty much killed WCW, or at least put them into a vegetable coma state that they couldn't be saved from.

2- Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 9
Not only did he completely shit on the main event, but he also pretty much ruined Bret Hart's status for nearly a year, took the sails out of Yokozuna a bit, and then fucking left the company not long after.

3- Rey Mysterio
I don't hate Rey or anything like that but he got the title as a glorified gift to Eddie

4- The Rock (2013)
Comes back after 7 years off, has one match that he wins, and then gets the belt almost a year after that to act as a glorified transitional champ in order to make Cena look stronger.

5- Sgt Slaughter
Pretty much entirely because I remember absolutely nothing about this run.

Cena could be on this list for his entire career.

 

[Perspicacity]

Roman will be fine folks. At this point only Daniel Bryan and his fellow Atheists support him stealing another Wrestlemania main event, which is unsurprising as heists are literally a big part of their religion

 

[Gonzalez]

Well Zayn just posted on twitter that

Spoiler

he is off to the middle east. So he won't be at the taping tonight. So he is going to be gone 3 or 4 weeks.

I'm always afraid one day Sami will join a radical Muslim group out of the blue, or maybe he's already a sleeper cell, and we just don't know it yet.

 

[jmdajr]

Eh, I guess some people don't like the mid card, or only care about the title or who goes on last. That's not me though. And there's a lot to like in an average episode of RAW when you aren't worrying about who is (Kane) or isn't (Cesaro) in the main event.

I think these days we think too far ahead. Back then I just enjoyed the event for what it was.

Now we are thinking about how Balor won't get his Wrestlemania 34 moment.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Those of you thinking Slaughter didn't deserve the title are CRAZY. He was getting "I'm going to fucking kill you" heat. It was awesome.

 

[Ithil]

I think that while the "Cena got booed and people still watch" and "Hogan got booed and people still watched", you can't ignore the fact that when they pushed a guy who was loved by everyone, they had their hottest run ever. So yes, while business won't end if you push a guy some people hate, business could boom if you push a guy everyone likes.



If I remember correctly, Vince/Dunn want commentary to be "conversational". If you call too many moves, then you are not "relating with the fans" and some people might get confused. In other words, we ain't wrasslin' dammit.

The only thing they're relating to is a mute button.

 

[Data West]

I think that while the "Cena got booed and people still watch" and "Hogan got booed and people still watched", you can't ignore the fact that when they pushed a guy who was loved by everyone, they had their hottest run ever. So yes, while business won't end if you push a guy some people hate, business could boom if you push a guy everyone likes.

But do you think WWE has had anyone since Austin that was as beloved as Austin was? Austin appealed to lots of people because he wasn't trying to appeal to anyone. He was an extremely easy character to get into and the time period he came into, in pop culture, couldn't have been more perfect. I can't think of anyone before or after Austin who was as universally liked by just about everyone. I mean, when you're able to make The Rock 'number 2', what does that say about how much people like you?

 

[jmdajr]

Those of you thinking Slaughter didn't deserve the title are CRAZY. He was getting "I'm going to fucking kill you" heat. It was awesome.

He was rewarded for willing to take on that fucking insane role.

 

[bean breath]

I hope Balor fails on the main roster just to spite everyone here that chooses to praise this guy by sh*tting on Roman Reigns.

It's amazing how a select number of posters here have an innate ability to make me despise a performer, who I otherwise know nothing about, just by association.

Learn to post better, a**holes.

 

[TheStruggler]

how would people feel if once a month or once every 2 months they had a special, raw is naturally 3 hours which is to long as you can see. What if nxt took up the first hour all in hhh's control, then start raw off for 2 hours after that. Might give the nxt stars some exposure to a grander audience as well so they wont have to advertise and much when a wrestler gets a call up.

 

[iMax]

I'm always afraid one day Sami will join a radical Muslim group out of the blue, or maybe he's already a sleeper cell, and we just don't know it yet.

Oh god, please don't give Vince any more stable ideas.

 

[Ithil]

But do you think WWE has had anyone since Austin that was as beloved as Austin was? Austin appealed to lots of people because he wasn't trying to appeal to anyone. He was an extremely easy character to get into and the time period he came into, in pop culture, couldn't have been more perfect. I can't think of anyone before or after Austin who was as universally liked by just about everyone. I mean, when you're able to make The Rock 'number 2', what does that say about how much people like you?

Your answer is "Yes".

Not as far as "boom period" but as far as "liked by everyone, easy character to get into".

 

[XenoRaven]

Part of me really would like to see a day come where HHH takes over, Vince's influence is completely gone, the show becomes absolutely amazing and then ratings tank hard to TNA levels. Then we will know directionless RAWs, variety show BS, and dancing gimmicks are what the people really want.

 

[serenewarfare]

But do you think WWE has had anyone since Austin that was as beloved as Austin was? Austin appealed to lots of people because he wasn't trying to appeal to anyone. He was an extremely easy character to get into and the time period he came into, in pop culture, couldn't have been more perfect. I can't think of anyone before or after Austin who was as universally liked by just about everyone. I mean, when you're able to make The Rock 'number 2', what does that say about how much people like you?

Are you going to tell me that Bryan wasn't "universally liked" at this time last year? And even if no one is as over as Austin was, that's not really my point. My point is that there are guys that a vast majority of the crowd likes who never get a real push. And there are guys who are getting pushes who the crowd is split on. If you tried pushing guys who the crowd was more unanimous on, it would probably lead to better business. They don't need to be at Austin's level.

 

[jmdajr]

I hope Balor fails on the main roster just to spite everyone here that chooses to praise this guy by sh*tting on Roman Reigns.

It's amazing how a select number of posters here have an innate ability to make me despise a performer, who I otherwise know nothing about, just by association.

Learn to post better, a**holes.

edit: You know I like this D. Bry and Reigns fued. It is basically a

 

[Ithil]

how would people feel if once a month or once every 2 months they had a special, raw is naturally 3 hours which is to long as you can see. What if nxt took up the first hour all in hhh's control, then start raw off for 2 hours after that. Might give the nxt stars some exposure to a grander audience as well so they wont have to advertise and much when a wrestler gets a call up.

I think if NXT guys are appearing on RAW semi-regularly, then they're basically RAW guys. Their touring idea is better as far as increasing exposure for NXT while keeping it separate from RAW.

 

[lovely ladies]

Fave Five Most Undeserving Champs
1- David Arquette as WCW Champ
This move pretty much killed WCW, or at least put them into a vegetable coma state that they couldn't be saved from.

2- Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 9
Not only did he completely shit on the main event, but he also pretty much ruined Bret Hart's status for nearly a year, took the sails out of Yokozuna a bit, and then fucking left the company not long after.

3- Rey Mysterio
I don't hate Rey or anything like that but he got the title as a glorified gift to Eddie

4- The Rock (2013)
Comes back after 7 years off, has one match that he wins, and then gets the belt almost a year after that to act as a glorified transitional champ in order to make Cena look stronger.

5- Sgt Slaughter
Pretty much entirely because I remember absolutely nothing about this run.

Slaughter played his role well. Mustafa and Adnan were good henchmen.

 

[Gonzalez]

Oh god, please don't give Vince any more stable ideas.

That Muhammad Hassan theme was awesome you have to admit. Way better than that indy rock Zayn comes out to now.

"ALI ALIEN ALIAN ALIIIIEN"

 

[Perspicacity]

Life hack: put to slices of pizza on top of each other with the cheese facing innard and put it on a sandwich press for a quick and easy panini

 

[MC Safety]

Those of you thinking Slaughter didn't deserve the title are CRAZY. He was getting "I'm going to fucking kill you" heat. It was awesome.

Not only was he an Iraqi sympathizer, but he was doing stuff like making "fans" push Hulk Hogan vitamins down a hallway with their noses.

(I wish I could find that clip, by the way.)

It always helps to have a bad guy champion who is also anti-American.

 

[somedevil]

That was a cool spot, especially with how Breeze worked it.

Still how find it funny Meltzer thought it was Noelle Foley playing that role.

 

[Data West]

Part of me really would like to see a day come where HHH takes over, Vince's influence is completely gone, the show becomes absolutely amazing and then ratings tank hard to TNA levels. Then we will know directionless RAWs, variety show BS, and dancing gimmicks is what the people really want.

You don't need HHH take over to see that. Compare struggling WCW early 90s(the best 'wrestling' promotion of all time, imo) to Attitude Era Raws.

Let's not act like Attitude Era had a direction.

 

[Uno Venova]

I hope Balor fails on the main roster just to spite everyone here that chooses to praise this guy by sh*tting on Roman Reigns.

It's amazing how a select number of posters here have an innate ability to make me despise a performer, who I otherwise know nothing about, just by association.

Learn to post better, a**holes.

I don't know which side that is supposed to reflect more poorly on.

 

[Sanjuro]

Hogan at WM9 was fine, the entire PPV was just one of the many lesser events. People tend to forget Bret at WM10 and WM13 were pretty much his only meaningful appearances at the PPV.

 

[Data West]

Hogan at WM9 was fine, the entire PPV was just one of the many lesser events. People tend to forget Bret at WM10 and WM13 were pretty much his only meaningful appearances at the PPV.

A lot of people get mad at WM9 because of Bret. I only recently discovered this because I grew up thinking that Yoko was the one who got fucked over, not Bret. Bret's not good enough to beat Yoko. End of the story there. But Yoko has to defend his title against a mostly fresh Hogan? And Hogan gets to win the title?

Babyface Yoko having to defend his title twice in a row.

 

[Kaiterra]

Eh, I guess some people don't like the mid card, or only care about the title or who goes on last. That's not me though. And there's a lot to like in an average episode of RAW when you aren't worrying about who is (Kane) or isn't (Cesaro) in the main event.

I'd generally feel this way but it's hard to when the main event is almost the only thing that gets any creative focus or promo time outside of WWE App videos that you shouldn't have to hunt down and find. Hell I took a break in the middle of Raw this past week to watch two hours of other shows, came back for the overrun and basically didn't miss anything important.

That's a pretty good format, I'm gonna stick with it. They did get me to stop watching entirely for 8-9 years out of distaste for Triple H as he was gearing up to dominate that decade but also for one reason that is not going to be duplicated, and that's how the most juvenile and tasteless parts of the Attitude Era kept getting ramped up further and further going into the early 2000s. Shit got super embarrassing to watch. So I'm on the hook for now with TV, even if I did #CancelWWENetwork.

 

[British Monsoon]

It's amazing how a select number of posters here have an innate ability to make me despise a performer, who I otherwise know nothing about, just by association.

Jeez, "People like this guy SO MUCH that it actively makes me despise him!". Get a grip, bean.

 

[Sanjuro]

A lot of people get mad at WM9 because of Bret. I only recently discovered this because I grew up thinking that Yoko was the one who got fucked over, not Bret. Bret's not good enough to beat Yoko. End of the story there. But Yoko has to defend his title against a mostly fresh Hogan? And Hogan gets to win the title?

Babyface Yoko having to defend his title twice in a row.

I think many people are forgetting the events. Yokozuna was fucking OVER because of WM9. Hogan got a cheap win, and then they made Yokozuna to be the biggest thing ever as he crushed and ended Hogan's WWF career like a month later. Death of Superman type stuff.

It worked out well.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Jeez, "People like this guy SO MUCH that it actively makes me despise him!". Get a grip, bean.

You missed a prime opportunity to call him "old bean" old bean.

 

[Ithil]

Jeez, "People like this guy SO MUCH that it actively makes me despise him!". Get a grip, bean.

Hey, your local cuisine is SUBSTANDARD. Also your sports teams PROBABLY LOST A GAME SOMEWHERE.

 

[Kaiterra]

Obama ripping off Tyler Breeze's gimmick

I think many people are forgetting the events. Yokozuna was fucking OVER because of WM9. Hogan got a cheap win, and then they made Yokozuna to be the biggest thing ever as he crushed and ended Hogan's WWF career like a month later. Death of Superman type stuff.

It worked out well.

Barely knew what the hell WCW was as a kid and didn't watch PPVs so I legit thought Yoko DID kill Hogan, haha.

 

[bean breath]

Roman will be fine folks. At this point only Daniel Bryan and his fellow Atheists support him stealing another Wrestlemania main event, which is unsurprising as heists are literally a big part of their religion

This post gave me a great sense of relief.

 

[Ithil]

CZW on WWE.com warning.

Of course it's light tubes.

 

[DMczaf]

CZW on WWE.com warning.

Of course it's light tubes.

*search Zandig*

"No results"

Thank you WWE.com

 

[slightconfuse]

Everyone that enjoyed the women's 4 way should check out Shine. Best women's fed.

Bask in mia yim's greatness

http://shinewrestling.com

 

[Sanjuro]

Obama ripping off Tyler Breeze's gimmick



Barely knew what the hell WCW was as a kid and didn't watch PPVs so I legit thought Yoko DID kill Hogan, haha.

Pretty much. I used the Death of Superman comparison because that year we got Cyborg Hulk Hogan in Lex Luger. He failed, battled Brett to get back to the title bout. Brett has epic match with Owen and then beats Yokozuna in the same night.

 

[British Monsoon]

Hey, your local cuisine is SUBSTANDARD. Also your sports teams PROBABLY LOST A GAME SOMEWHERE.

 

[Data West]

Hey, your local cuisine is SUBSTANDARD. Also your sports teams PROBABLY LOST A GAME SOMEWHERE.

Woah there, Seth Rollins.

 

[Kaiterra]

Pretty much. I used the Death of Superman comparison because that year we got Cyborg Hulk Hogan in Lex Luger. He failed, battled Brett to get back to the title bout. Brett has epic match with Owen and then beats Yokozuna in the same night.

 

[bean breath]

Jeez, "People like this guy SO MUCH that it actively makes me despise him!". Get a grip, bean.

My bad, Bootaaay. Frick it, put Finn in the main event of Wrestlemania.

 

[Sephzilla]

WM9 was bullshit because Bret had Yoko beat and Yoko had to cheat to win. Hogan basically picked off an already beaten Yoko and ran off with the belt.

 

[Alucard]

Because reasons for the ROH 13th Anniversary Show.

While not that appealing on paper, I think Mark Briscoe is super underrated as a singles competitor and that he always goes hard. Expecting a Cactus Jack elbow off the apron, some red neck kung-fu, and a hard bump or two. This should be pretty good despite the paper thin reason these two are fighting. (Moose interrupted a tag match with The Briscoes and randomly attacked Mark)

The card so far:

Matches signed
*Main Event - High Stakes 4 Corner Survival ROH World Championship Match*
Jay Briscoe (c) vs. "Unbreakable" Michael Elgin vs. "Sicilian Psychopath" Tommaso Ciampa vs. "War Beard" Hanson

ROH World Television Championship
Jay Lethal (c) w/ Truth Martini vs. Alberto El Patrón

ROH World Tag Team Championship
reDRagon (c) vs. The Young Bucks

"The Phenomenal" AJ Styles vs. ACH

ODB w/ Mark Briscoe vs. Maria Kanellis w/ Michael Bennett

Grudge Match
"Mr ROH" Roderick Strong vs. The Decade's BJ Whitmer

 

[Mr. Luchador]

If figured any Bull intrigue here was some sort of inside joke, I could say the same for CAWbin but hey different strokes I suppose.
Both come across to me as bland as each other, biggish dudes without the presence or power to back up the gimmick.

Yeah, I've only seen Corbin two or three times now, but I've not really 'got it'. There was a few times during NXT last night where I felt like 'sure this is working in NXT', but these guys aren't going to look nearly as menacing on the main roster. I got the same feeling for Kevin Owen.
I really enjoyed his match, but compared to the Main Roster he looks like a bin man.

Ya know whats not terrible about NXT? The commentary!

I am not saying its great or anything but its not garbage and I like that. More wrestling shows need non sucky commentary.

Average commentary is refreshing.

I didn't mind the commentary, strangely there were a few times where I thought one of them sounded like Jesse Ventura!

It's developmental bros.

Ja, but it was fun and short for the most part.

 

[Data West]

Is Roderick Strong called Mr ROH because he can't get booked anywhere else?

 

[Sephzilla]

Here's one thing about NXT that I didn't really think of. We've never really seen how HHH/NXT long term books a talent who's now a former champion. Most of the time when a champion loses its because they're off to Raw, so they never show up on NXT again or only get one or two more matches before saying farewell. I'd really like to see an NXT champ stick around for like 6 months after losing a title just to see how Hunter books them.

 

[DMczaf]

Bret got fucked a lot by circumstances and Hogan.

From Meltzer, Bret was supposed to make Ultimate Warrior and Jake Roberts submit to the Sharpshooter (those are Meltzer's words, they wanted to get the Sharpshooter over huge) at Survivor Series 92 and Royal Rumble 93 respectively to give him some heat heading into 1993, however they were both fired due to drug tests. Then Bret would drop the title at WM9, leading to his win over Hogan at Summerslam 1993. Hogan decides to go into business for himself.

#LifeScrewedBret

 

[Fox318]

new metsfan post

Triple H's New Clique

It should come as no surprise, after last night's offering of a live NXT event, that Triple H has cultivated a new Clique.
This time, it involves his hand picked group to lead WWE in the future: Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, and Hideo Itami.
These are the four guys that Triple H looks out for. Hell, they are exception to the rules there.
NXT is actually a lot harder on the boys than it is being on the road for the main roster. They have long training sessions, going late into the evening, and have crazy house show loops that take them all over Florida. At least, on the main roster, you get a few days off.
Matt Sydal got heat, and subsequently got fired, because he refused to go back to NXT. Not as a disrespect to them, but it's tough being there.
The entire roster is subjected to daily drills. That is, except for Triple H's clique. It's been known at the Performance Center that Balor will through a bit of a hissy fit about doing them then just back away and Owens will nonchalantly not do them. If Bill DeMott gets on their cases about it, which he doesn't do often, they say they don't have to. Or, they call up Triple H and he tells the trainers to lay off. Zayn's been there long enough where he wouldn't get his balls busted about it, and Itami will do them every so often, but he's a quiet one and knows he's still trying to acclimate to his new digs.
Even when it comes to performing certain moves at house shows, if any of them are placed early in the card and want to hit big highspot moves, the producers will tell them no, and they will clear it with Triple H, who will give them the OK to go ahead and just do it